The greatest running back of all time is a modern running back, if that's what you are asking.

If we were to take every player in the NFL that played only before 1990. (so someone who's career ended in 1989-90), and I said "build me your best team". They could not stand up to any NFL team today.

Any team today would have offensive linemen that outweighed your defensive by 50-100 pounds, and be stronger and faster.

My defensive linemen would outweigh your offensive linemen, and be stronger and faster. 

Your linebackers would be 180-200 pounds. Your defensive back would look like they were standing still. You just can't compare.

Video games are the same. You all love that game because of what it did for it's time. Not what it is today. Yea, I loved watching Dick Budkus play. But he was the meanest, biggest, toughest linebacker in the NFL, and he weighed 244 pounds. He was hitting QB's they weighed 190. I wonder what would have happened to him if he hit (or got hit), by donte culpepper who come in at 260 (and a lot faster and stronger).

Don't hesitate to leave now and then please also leave this forum too we can miss those childish comments.

 I think Red is totally better than Blue. I think Green can kick Brown's ass. I think Purple beats Yellow. 

From what I've seen, GTA4 almost completely changed it's game mechanics. Sure, OoT went from a 2D franchise to a 3D franchise, and that's what made it so many "miles apart" from the older games, but if that were the case, shouldn't GTA3 be held with just as much high esteem for immersing gamers from a 2D franchise to a 3D world? I honestly think GTA is a better franchise simply because for the first time people could go into a world similar to theirs, only do whatever they want.

See that? No? Well let me just push this combination of buttons and I get a military tank. See those innocent people walking to work? Boom! 

Zelda gave a pretty big leap of freedom in it's first 3D game, but GTA3 made an even bigger leap. It's by far one of the most innovative game I've ever seen. Zelda has been mostly about saving a princess, just like Mario, Cinderella, and countless fairy tales.

Anyway, if we go by the "pivotal series" in a franchise, it's gotta be GTA3. GTA4 really capitalized on game mechanics, though. OoT was great, but it isn't the holy grail of gaming.   

Final Fantasy VII, Zelda Ocarina of Time, Starcraft, Street Fighter II, Super Mario Bros 3, GoldenEye 007, Metal Gear Solid, Super Metroid, Half-Life, Dragon Quest III, Super Mario 64... and you already wanna call GTA IV the greatest game or greater than Ocarina of Time.. a little too early to call that I think..

About time someone said this, topic over. >_>^

The thing is I get the feeling GTA will soon feel out-dated and old, in ten years time gamers simply won't have fun playing it. Kind of like Goldeneye for N64, it was fucking amazing at the time but now it just feels extremely dated.

In my opinion the greatest games never feel like that, LoZ:OoT doesn't, SM64 doesn't, Portal won't.

I've played OoT back when it came out and it was a great game (one of the best I've played). Would I play it now? I really can't see myself doing that honestly. I picked up GTA4 at lunch break today for $37.50 (us) and will be giving it a good workout tonight when I'm off work in a little more then an hour. I'll add my thoughts in comparing the games and how they compare to each other and how revolutionary they are to their genre. If GTA 4 is half as good as I've heard from reviewers, I think it has a great chance to be the best of all time, and easily among those of this generation.

 It gets 10s because it brutally crushes the communications skills of people who play it?

Are you afraid of giving away spoilers? Is the story so amazing that any preview damages the child-like innocence that one must enter the game with in order to enjoy the transcendant narrative to its fullest?

Throw me a bone here. 

I will reserve my opinions until after I have played the game. I tend to take my time playing games, not more than a couple hours a night. OoT was a great game and my favorite on the N64. Not my favorite of all time, but that may be because I was already biased due to some games I loved on the SNES and I felt that OoT was not quite as interesting of a story as A Link to the Past for me.

@ jjseth - Where did you pick up GTA4 for $37.50? I haven't bought it yet and I would love to get it at a discount.

The Ocarina of Time is still my favorite game, despite it's age. It easily outpaces every game out on the current gen consoles, imo.