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Musouka said:

Dreamcast was on its way to success but Sega just killed it (couldn't afford more loses and I guess they were afraid of the PS2 super hype machine) but oh the fond memories I have of playing Sonic Adventure and Soul Caliber on it... And then Street Fighter III and all the VS. Fighters!

Those were the days :)

Sadly, Sega went downhill especially after the Sammy merger. The restructuring killed many of its talented development studios (many talents left anyway) and Sonic Team is not what it used to be.

Okay, I hear different stories alot.  How much of an impact did Sony actually have on The Dreamcast's demise?  You make it sound like Sega ended it without much pressure, but many say otherewise.  Anyone? 

 



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NYANKS said:
Musouka said:

Dreamcast was on its way to success but Sega just killed it (couldn't afford more loses and I guess they were afraid of the PS2 super hype machine) but oh the fond memories I have of playing Sonic Adventure and Soul Caliber on it... And then Street Fighter III and all the VS. Fighters!

Those were the days :)

Sadly, Sega went downhill especially after the Sammy merger. The restructuring killed many of its talented development studios (many talents left anyway) and Sonic Team is not what it used to be.

Okay, I hear different stories alot. How much of an impact did Sony actually have on The Dreamcast's demise? You make it sound like Sega ended it without much pressure, but many say otherewise. Anyone?

 

In a nutshell, the Playstation 2 killed the Dreamcast. Sega could not get a solid enough footing before Sony brought out the big boy and everything was just downhill from there. Once PS2 was looming, many stuidos started to cut or cancel third party support to start PS2 projects. One notable such game is Tekken Tag Tournament by Namco. It was originally believed the game would be seen on DC, but Sony got it's mittens on it instead.

I firmly believe if Sega would have risked more, and included a DVD player in the Dreamcast, they would have prospered that generation and still be around as their own entity today.  

 



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Sega had very good relationships with third parties by the time of the Dreamcast. They got strong support from Capcom, who developed their next Resident Evil game for it (that's huge. It later got ports of RE2 and 3) also Street Fighter 3rd Strike was a first for a console, and was the cradle of many other new Capcom franchises like SNK vs Capcom, Power Stone, etc. A new 3D Castlevania was in the works from Konami but got trashed when the console didn't take off. It got Soul Calibur from Namco, which had been practically married to Sony, that's says a lot too. It also got reknown non-japanese franchises such as Tony Hawk Pro Skater, Quake, Unreal Tournament, Rainbow Six, Rayman etc.

And look at the scores (but notice there are many good games missing here, and many bad ones as well -for example, Rayman 2 , Sword of the Berserk and MDK are missing, to name a few- )

http://www.metacritic.com/games/dreamcast/scores/


Look at the years. Basically, in two years (2000, 2001 - the DC was released at the end of 99) the DC had more 90+ games than Xbox 360 (which is in its 3rd year since November 07) Wii (it has 5 in a year and a half) PS3 (which currently only has 4, after 1.5 years) You may present arguments saying the quality of the current generation AAA is higher, or the reviews for Wii don't count 'cause the reviewers are biased against it, or probably those Metacritic averages result so high beacuse not so many reviews are taken into account compared to this generation averages. Whatever the reason, and this is 8 years ago we're talking about, the message here and undisputable truth is this : The Dreamcast had a hell of a great library, specially being so young. It was that good when the PS2 was released with a lackluster lineup which didn't improve after several months in the market.

As a poster above mentioned, the PS2 had DVD, that was a great factor yes, but the PS2 was also the successor of the PS1, the heir to the King with the likes of Electronic Arts by its side and Square-Enix and many others. The PS2 plays PS1 games, it's compatible with PS1 controllers and memory cards too. Just as PS2 was (and is still) very strong after Xbox 360 launched, so was the PS1 when the DC released, people bought it at first, but not enough, Sony PS1 was cheaper and had tons of great games and the PS2 promise was very near. The DC didn't get a real KILLER APP as the likes of Gears of War (Soul Calibur was a great start, but the DC never got anything as popular after it) And then there's the PS2 price, next to all the points in its favor, it also was "cheap" compared to the inferior DC (only a $100 or so difference, you were getting a DVD player and a PSone too) Sega was badly hurt financially after the Saturn and they just couldn't take more losses. The Dreamcast was heavily pirated too, which made things worse. I don't doubt if they had chosen DVD as its format they could've even launched a little later, evade piracy a lot better for a longer while and, who knows, they could have found a niche in Europe/Japan and stay profitable for a whole generation.  I guess the dream was not meant to become reality....



Dam fine if you ask me. At least some of its games live on in emulators.



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Let's put it this way.

The Dreamcast had more great games in it's two year lifespan than the original Xbox had overall. Also, it's launch line-up is second to none. Take that Wii with your Twilight Princess and Xbox with your Halo!

Get a Dreamcast immediately, you shan't be disappointed.



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Sonic Team really has gone to crap. They used to could do no wrong and now you couldn't even talk me into paying 20 bucks for Sonic 360 because the demo was so horrible. I always hate I never played that fire fighting game they made for Saturn (?) because it looked so cool but came too late.



Dreamcast was a good console, with a lack of mainstream appeal and acceptance, swallowed up as a god by console gamers postmortem.



Well, I know I supported the Dreamcast! Now, did YOU?? (to everyone reading this)

And then people call others "Sony whores", when it was them who totally turned their back on Sega and just kept playing their PlayStation.



the real questions is "how good IS the Sega Dreamcast?" judging from this gamercard, dreamcast's gamercard, it's converted over to the Xbox a while ago and yet only has a gamerscore in the 7000. not very good if you ask me.

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