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Flow said:
misteromar mk4 said:
You mean the democratically elected HAMAS that the Palestinian people voted for. Americans are such hypocrites, they claim to fight for "democracy" and invade sovereign nations but when somebody is democratically elected they dont like, they try to wipe them out also.

Its about time america was not run by the jews (i want say isreal because I dont accept it as legitimate country, Its Palestine occupied by jew fundamentalist) The jews have committed the worst crimes against humanity for the last 50 years. What they do is the same thing they still cry about the nazi doing to them. They also use the "holocaust" as shield, so no one can criticise them no matter how awful their crimes, they simply shout back "änti semite" "racist" etc Not to mention how they hijack it as a jewish experience for their own finical gain. Then they wonder why they are so universally hated.

Why was he banned? For not supporting the jewish state and telling the truth?

I don't support the jewish state neither and this doesn't make me or him skinheads. Everyday in the news we see israelis killing palestinians and still israel gets out clean because they are the poor guys who suffered the holocaust, which is no different of killing palestinians, and i'm sick of the US backing them up.

 

If he was too harsh or it's because he went off-topic i understand the ban, but members SHOULDN'T be banned by their opinions.


 He said Jews have comitted the worst crimes against humanity in the last 50 years.  That's *way* over the line.  That's qualifying Jewish people as committing worse crimes than Pol Pot, Milosevic, or Pinochet.  We're going into the territory of ethnic cleansing and genocide, here.  Many international organizations have many stances on the legitimacy of Israel's actions.  Not even the most extreme describe Israel's actions that badly.  But he's not qualifying it as Israel, he's saying all Jews.  That's racist.  It's as bad as if I were to blame *all* Arabs for 9/11.  (I don't)



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Flow said:
misteromar mk4 said:
You mean the democratically elected HAMAS that the Palestinian people voted for. Americans are such hypocrites, they claim to fight for "democracy" and invade sovereign nations but when somebody is democratically elected they dont like, they try to wipe them out also.

Its about time america was not run by the jews (i want say isreal because I dont accept it as legitimate country, Its Palestine occupied by jew fundamentalist) The jews have committed the worst crimes against humanity for the last 50 years. What they do is the same thing they still cry about the nazi doing to them. They also use the "holocaust" as shield, so no one can criticise them no matter how awful their crimes, they simply shout back "änti semite" "racist" etc Not to mention how they hijack it as a jewish experience for their own finical gain. Then they wonder why they are so universally hated.

Why was he banned? For not supporting the jewish state and telling the truth?

I don't support the jewish state neither and this doesn't make me or him skinheads. Everyday in the news we see israelis killing palestinians and still israel gets out clean because they are the poor guys who suffered the holocaust, which is no different of killing palestinians, and i'm sick of the US backing them up.

 

If he was too harsh or it's because he went off-topic i understand the ban, but members SHOULDN'T be banned by their opinions.


 His views are completely out of line, and have no facts behind them, he want off on some terrorist rant against the US and Israel and Jewish people. And i'm pretty sure we can all see he is not a skinhead, his name is Omar.  You have no idea what goes on in that part of the world except for what you see on your liberal media. 

Do you have any idea how many attacks are made against Israel each day from terrorists hiding missiles and mortars in schools and mosque's.



I don't care what race or ethnicity it is that makes him as intolerant and psychotic as he chooses to be.

He could've been called him a bajillion things, but the point is that he sucks and there should be no contesting a ban like that.



 

 

@fishamaphone

Okay, then i think the ban got a point.

@Griffin

Yeah i know about palestinians attacking Israel. But these are terrorists fighting to destroy the country that menaces them, not that i condone their actions. Israel attacks palestine as a state, with it's own military, which is way more trained and armed than terrorists, i even saw news about Israel stealing from palestinian banks and never saw news of they giving it back.

Uh, this seemed a little wrong. Terrorists are a menace to Israel also but i don't think Israel should ever be created in the first place.




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Flow said:

@fishamaphone

Okay, then i think the ban got a point.

@Griffin

Yeah i know about palestinians attacking Israel. But these are terrorists fighting to destroy the country that menaces them, not that i condone their actions. Israel attacks palestine as a state, with it's own military, which is way more trained and armed than terrorists, i even saw news about Israel stealing from palestinian banks and never saw news of they giving it back.

Uh, this seemed a little wrong. Terrorists are a menace to Israel also but i don't think Israel should ever be created in the first place.


 That's how I know that you're just prejudice and not worth listening to.



 

 

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As i stated before i have nothing against the Jews.

I just think it's wrong that after millions of Jews were left homeless after WW2 they shoved them in an Arab land to don't have to cope with the costs of having them on their country.

And then after Israel can hold his place on the middle east, US just uses them like it was their military base on the middle east.

I don't call for killing of Jews of whatever. Neither that US quits it's support right away since Israel would be left to the hate of dozens of middle eastern countries. But still i feel that they should fix that situation.




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Flow said:

@fishamaphone

Okay, then i think the ban got a point.

@Griffin

Yeah i know about palestinians attacking Israel. But these are terrorists fighting to destroy the country that menaces them, not that i condone their actions. Israel attacks palestine as a state, with it's own military, which is way more trained and armed than terrorists, i even saw news about Israel stealing from palestinian banks and never saw news of they giving it back.

Uh, this seemed a little wrong. Terrorists are a menace to Israel also but i don't think Israel should ever be created in the first place.


"these are terrorists fighting to destroy the country that menaces them"  Maybe if you consider the fact that Israel exists "menacing" then yes they are.  The funds that Israel takes are used to buy weapons from Syria and Iran and other terrorist factions to attack innocent people.  Israel supplies Palestine with food, water, cash and electricty.

There is a HUGE difference between attacks against specific targets/terrorists (which deemed so by UN and almost every country), and people wearing bombs and blowing themselves up in front of innocent people.

If you can't tell the difference, I can't help you



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Flow said:
As i stated before i have nothing against the Jews.

I just think it's wrong that after millions of Jews were left homeless after WW2 they shoved them in an Arab land to don't have to cope with the costs of having them on their country.

And then after Israel can hold his place on the middle east, US just uses them like it was their military base on the middle east.

I don't call for killing of Jews of whatever. Neither that US quits it's support right away since Israel would be left to the hate of dozens of middle eastern countries. But still i feel that they should fix that situation.

 How does the US use Israel as a military base.  Israel is its own country, not like the Arab nations that were controlled by the USSR.  These countries have tried to destroy Israel for no reason and each time they get their asses handed to them and all Israel ever wants is peace.



Flow said:
@fishamaphone

Okay, then i think the ban got a point.

@Griffin

Yeah i know about palestinians attacking Israel. But these are terrorists fighting to destroy the country that menaces them, not that i condone their actions. Israel attacks palestine as a state, with it's own military, which is way more trained and armed than terrorists, i even saw news about Israel stealing from palestinian banks and never saw news of they giving it back.

 In the interest of full disclosure, I'm currently living in Israel, getting naturalized as an Israeli.  I'm not trying to trick you or anything, so you deserve to have that kind of context before I start in with you.

 

 Israel has antennae up trying to detect where missiles are being fired from.  When they get a good idea of where one of these places is, they attack.  Are they over-zealous sometimes?  I don't know.  But missiles *are* being fired from civilian areas, so if Israel wants to defend themselves, they don't have a choice.

 

Last month, I went to visit Sderot, a city in Israel, but close to the border with Gaza.  They've been under constant rocket fire for 7 years.  Our tour group was out on a  little rise in the middle of a bunch of fields overlooking the border for about ten minutes before a mortar landed a few hundred yards away.  Now, I can't be 100% certain, but our guess is that they deliberately targetted a tour group full of civillians.  How can you ask Israel to *not* react to something like that?

 

In regards to  stealing, Israel collects taxes for the Palestinian territories.  It has done so for years, because there simply aren't facilities capable of doing so in the Palestinian government.  When Hammas took over, Israel froze those assets.  They didn't spend them, they just refused to give Hammas access to the money.  It's still there, and when someone's in charge of Palestine that recognizes Israel's existence, they'll get every agura of it, but if it wasn't for Israel, Palestine wouldn't have that money anyway.  They don't have the capability to collect it.  Israel also supplies a lot of utilities for Palestine.  According to the UN Human Development Index, Palestine is actually ranked higher than Egypt and Syria.  If it wasn't for the assistance Israel provides, that wouldn't be true.