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CaptainExplosion said:
sc94597 said:

I alluded to societies where one's worth isn't tied to one's capacity to wage labor. There are countries in Europe that have had double digit unemployment rates for decades (i.e Spain) and artists can survive and even thrive. It seems exotic to the Anglosphere because much of Anglosphere's common culture, especially in North America, is rooted in cultural Calvinism where one's means of living must be justified by labor and being idle is looked down upon. Other societies exist where people can create art for its own sake and still live happily with their needs met. 

Also displacement from AI isn't something that only affects artists. My paid occupation isn't in art, but the hiring is way down because of AI. The more people affected, the more likely a solution will arise though. If it were just a problem that affected digital artists, then it would be a lot worse than it being a problem that affects a third to half of all occupations in the next decade (if not more.) 

How do we stop this? All I can think of is destroying AI data centers, but somehow destroying the technology that's ruining the economy makes ME the extremist.

I need AI to die because with all the jobs taken by AI I won't have nearly the income needed to have my own home. I'm in the my 30s, still living with my parents, and when they're gone I may have nowhere to go, all because of AI and the short sighted CEOs who glorified it, even trying to justify it's existence by saying "We're streamlining treatment of severe ailments!".

I don't think it is possible to totally stop technologies from proliferating once they've started. I think the best thing we can do is to create a society where that proliferation does the least harm. We already have social technologies to solve this problem. 

Examples: 

1. Housing first policy for everyone, regardless of their labor status. (see: Finland, formerly Utah - oddly

2. Community programs that support creative endeavors independent of commodification, because artists are most free to produce when it isn't for a commodity product, but rather a unique output and expression. (see: many European countries)

3. Strong environment regulations on data centers, maybe coupled with renewable clean energy initiatives. 

4. Changes to unemployment insurance taxes that heavily penalize corporations that automate so that the bulk of the savings go to the public which needs to deal with the negative effects of automation. Use this to fund a citizens dividend. The more automation the bigger that citizen dividend becomes, automatically. 

5. Shifting from housing as a store and accumulator of wealth. Housing should primarily be a shared need, not a commodity that one can arbitrage on. In many countries housing isn't the mechanism which people store their wealth. Instead wealth is stored in public pensions and sovereign funds (see: Norway.) 

We already see fragments of what needs to be done in various societies. It just needs to be comprehensively packaged, and universalized. 



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sc94597 said:
CaptainExplosion said:

How do we stop this? All I can think of is destroying AI data centers, but somehow destroying the technology that's ruining the economy makes ME the extremist.

I need AI to die because with all the jobs taken by AI I won't have nearly the income needed to have my own home. I'm in the my 30s, still living with my parents, and when they're gone I may have nowhere to go, all because of AI and the short sighted CEOs who glorified it, even trying to justify it's existence by saying "We're streamlining treatment of severe ailments!".

I don't think it is possible to totally stop technologies from proliferating once they've started. I think the best thing we can do is to create a society where that proliferation does the least harm. We already have social technologies to solve this problem. 

Examples: 

1. Housing first policy for everyone, regardless of their labor status. (see: Finland, formerly Utah - oddly

2. Community programs that support creative endeavors independent of commodification, because artists are most free to produce when it isn't for a commodity product, but rather a unique output and expression. (see: many European countries)

3. Strong environment regulations on data centers, maybe coupled with renewable clean energy initiatives. 

4. Changes to unemployment insurance taxes that heavily penalize corporations that automate so that the bulk of the savings go to the public which needs to deal with the negative effects of automation. Use this to fund a citizens dividend. The more automation the bigger that citizen dividend becomes, automatically. 

5. Shifting from housing as a store and accumulator of wealth. Housing should primarily be a shared need, not a commodity that one can arbitrage on. In many countries housing isn't the mechanism which people store their wealth. Instead wealth is stored in public pensions and sovereign funds (see: Norway.) 

We already see fragments of what needs to be done in various societies. It just needs to be comprehensively packaged, and universalized. 

That won't happen because the world is run by decrepit white prunes who blow up Middle Eastern children for the sake of oil and distracting from the Epstein files. We live in a world where the greedy beat the needy.



CaptainExplosion said:

That won't happen because the world is run by decrepit white prunes who blow up Middle Eastern children for the sake of oil and distracting from the Epstein files. We live in a world where the greedy beat the needy.

It is an order of magnitude more likely to happen than mass-bombing all data-centers. Each of the goals are also very obtainable cumulatively. Like I said, multiple countries already have many of these in Europe. 



sc94597 said:
CaptainExplosion said:

That won't happen because the world is run by decrepit white prunes who blow up Middle Eastern children for the sake of oil and distracting from the Epstein files. We live in a world where the greedy beat the needy.

It is an order of magnitude more likely to happen than mass-bombing all data-centers. Each of the goals are also very obtainable cumulatively. Like I said, multiple countries already have many of these in Europe. 

I get it, but lately these days it feels like non-violent resistance does jack shit.



CaptainExplosion said:
sc94597 said:

It is an order of magnitude more likely to happen than mass-bombing all data-centers. Each of the goals are also very obtainable cumulatively. Like I said, multiple countries already have many of these in Europe. 

I get it, but lately these days it feels like non-violent resistance does jack shit.

I don't think these changes will come from only non-violence. Labor struggles have always had some, even a lot of, violence. I think there will be violence. The ruling class most often looks to make concessions when the violence gets to a critical mass though, and then those concessions temper things. What probably will happen is that populations will shift left-wing economically once unemployment rates hit double digits, which is going to happen in the next recession/depression. 

Embodied intelligence (robots) are still far behind other fields of AI and it seems like that will be one of the last things AI will actually do, so the rich can't just use the robots to kill everyone. 

The big thing is that people who aren't unemployed will need to have solidarity with those who are, understanding that they are next. That will make the biggest difference. 



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Welp, a PS5 now costs $650 and a PS5 Pro $900 cos of stupid shit like Sora.

Gotta pump that bubble no matter the cost.



curl-6 said:

Welp, a PS5 now costs $650 and a PS5 Pro $900 cos of stupid shit like Sora.

Gotta pump that bubble no matter the cost.

Furthers the argument against data centres and AI generated content.
sc94597 said:
CaptainExplosion said:

I get it, but lately these days it feels like non-violent resistance does jack shit.

I don't think these changes will come from only non-violence. Labor struggles have always had some, even a lot of, violence. I think there will be violence. The ruling class most often looks to make concessions when the violence gets to a critical mass though, and then those concessions temper things. What probably will happen is that populations will shift left-wing economically once unemployment rates hit double digits, which is going to happen in the next recession/depression. 

Embodied intelligence (robots) are still far behind other fields of AI and it seems like that will be one of the last things AI will actually do, so the rich can't just use the robots to kill everyone. 

The big thing is that people who aren't unemployed will need to have solidarity with those who are, understanding that they are next. That will make the biggest difference. 

The rich are already using AI to kill people. Iranian civilians were recently blown up because an AI marked them as a military target. Already waiting for the same thing to happen to American citizens.



CaptainExplosion said:
sc94597 said:

I don't think these changes will come from only non-violence. Labor struggles have always had some, even a lot of, violence. I think there will be violence. The ruling class most often looks to make concessions when the violence gets to a critical mass though, and then those concessions temper things. What probably will happen is that populations will shift left-wing economically once unemployment rates hit double digits, which is going to happen in the next recession/depression. 

Embodied intelligence (robots) are still far behind other fields of AI and it seems like that will be one of the last things AI will actually do, so the rich can't just use the robots to kill everyone. 

The big thing is that people who aren't unemployed will need to have solidarity with those who are, understanding that they are next. That will make the biggest difference. 

The rich are already using AI to kill people. Iranian civilians were recently blown up because an AI marked them as a military target. Already waiting for the same thing to happen to American citizens.

And yet the Iranians are more or less winning this war, strategically. I should've been clearer though. I don't think they'll be able to kill everyone, not that they can't kill some people. 



CaptainExplosion said:
Norion said:

All this means really is that the Sora 2 app was an extremely inefficient use of resources. With Claude getting a lot more popular lately it makes sense that OpenAI wants to focus harder on the much more important stuff. Local video generation models are still improving a lot and that won't be stopping but state of the art video generation is probably gonna get less accessible in general soon. If someone wants that they'll need to pay more for it.

And/or pick up a fucking pencil, something these AI slobs have never even tried in their lives.

sc94597 said:

Okay, but Alpha Proteo helps humanity as a whole by expediting the curing of diseases. Theorem provers help humanity as a whole by expediting research that depends on fundamental mathematics. There is more to the world than producing and consuming digital media. 

You just glossed over that artists, animators and writers are getting fucked over. Producing and consuming digital media is how many people today earn a living, and generative AI is depriving them of that living, especially artists who already have been struggling to make ends meet.

You two are both right, many good and bad things will come from this. Kids will be growing up and much worse off from all the chat got that is used on their schoolwork, won’t learn how to learn. 



shavenferret said:
CaptainExplosion said:

And/or pick up a fucking pencil, something these AI slobs have never even tried in their lives.

sc94597 said:

Okay, but Alpha Proteo helps humanity as a whole by expediting the curing of diseases. Theorem provers help humanity as a whole by expediting research that depends on fundamental mathematics. There is more to the world than producing and consuming digital media. 

You just glossed over that artists, animators and writers are getting fucked over. Producing and consuming digital media is how many people today earn a living, and generative AI is depriving them of that living, especially artists who already have been struggling to make ends meet.

You two are both right, many good and bad things will come from this. Kids will be growing up and much worse off from all the chat got that is used on their schoolwork, won’t learn how to learn. 

And they'll be too stupid to resist oligarchs like Trump and Elon. -_-