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Just depressing that we hit a 30 year low here. I think we’re finally starting to see the real effects of the way Gen alpha (and younger Gen Z) have basically abandoned console gaming for pc gaming. I’m genuinely worried for the survival of console gaming in 15 years or so. Which as a life long console gamer who vastly prefers it to pc gaming for a whole host of reasons, sucks hard to think about.

With all of that said though, I do think Nintendo was perfectly poised to have a massive holiday with S2 if they had tried whatsoever on the software end. It’s absolutely absurd to me they expected a Hyrule Warriors and Kirby Air Riders game to be the exclusives that would sell their new hardware for its first holiday season. That should’ve been their first party exclusives holiday lineup last year for Switch 1 on its death bed, not for their shiny new successor. 



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DekutheEvilClown said:

Japanese console gamers have good taste? The Pokémon game is mediocre. They basically buy brightly coloured family friendly games and Monster Hunter.

The west buys shooters, and Sports games. They also buy Read Dead Redemption 2(79m units sold), The Last of Us(20m+), Horizon: Zero Dwn(20m+), BG3(20m), Cyberpunk 2077(35m), the Witcher 3 etc. etc. They buy racing games like GT7 and FH5 and also full-on hardcore driving sims. They buy indie games in the tens of millions, like Hollow Knight, Stardew valley, terraria etc. 

The same sports games and shooters might sell well every year but there’s enough of a market for games of all types to sell millions, for something like Hollow Knight Knight: Silksong to sell 7m at launch and Arc Raiders at 5m+, just like HD2 last year which is approaching 20m now. In Japan there is like a dozen successful franchises and everything else feeds of the scraps, selling in the 10-50k range at launch. How much did Clair Obscur sell in Japan? 

Nah the best selling console games in Japan are highly varied. In their list of best selling weekly and all-time titles, have life sims (Stardew Valley, Animal Crossing), RPGs (Final Fantasy, Pokémon), platformers (Mario Odyssey, NSMB), party games (NS1 Mario Party games, Wii Party), and even open world RPGs (Elden Ring, Zelda BotW/TotK, Minecraft). They’re mostly similar in their more “cutesy” artstyle, but that’s how they like their games. Nothing wrong with that. Same deal with the west and photo-realism.

I prefer this over CoD, RDR1/2, GTAV, FIFA, Madden weekly dominance any day. (Granted, I am a Nintendo gamer… so maybe I’m a little biased lol.)

Anyways, thread is getting derailed off a light-hearted comment. Feel free to respond, Deku, but I’m bowing out after this comment.



HyrulianScrolls said:

Just depressing that we hit a 30 year low here. I think we’re finally starting to see the real effects of the way Gen alpha (and younger Gen Z) have basically abandoned console gaming for pc gaming. I’m genuinely worried for the survival of console gaming in 15 years or so. Which as a life long console gamer who vastly prefers it to pc gaming for a whole host of reasons, sucks hard to think about.

With all of that said though, I do think Nintendo was perfectly poised to have a massive holiday with S2 if they had tried whatsoever on the software end. It’s absolutely absurd to me they expected a Hyrule Warriors and Kirby Air Riders game to be the exclusives that would sell their new hardware for its first holiday season. That should’ve been their first party exclusives holiday lineup last year for Switch 1 on its death bed, not for their shiny new successor. 

Console gaming remains massive, bigger than ever in multiple metrics. It's just the need to upgrade to new hardware or buy multiple consoles that is weakening.

Yes, PC is growing much faster. But consoles are big enough and don't really need to keep up with PC in order to remain relevant.



HyrulianScrolls said:

Just depressing that we hit a 30 year low here. I think we’re finally starting to see the real effects of the way Gen alpha (and younger Gen Z) have basically abandoned console gaming for pc gaming. I’m genuinely worried for the survival of console gaming in 15 years or so. Which as a life long console gamer who vastly prefers it to pc gaming for a whole host of reasons, sucks hard to think about.

With all of that said though, I do think Nintendo was perfectly poised to have a massive holiday with S2 if they had tried whatsoever on the software end. It’s absolutely absurd to me they expected a Hyrule Warriors and Kirby Air Riders game to be the exclusives that would sell their new hardware for its first holiday season. That should’ve been their first party exclusives holiday lineup last year for Switch 1 on its death bed, not for their shiny new successor. 

PC content spending is down as well per the report. With the economy issues and crazy spiked RAM prices which are only going to get worse people aren't buying PC's either. If consumers can't afford a discounted console then they surely can't afford a new gaming PC. The current console and PC crowd is buying software sure but they aren't leaving console gaming to PC either. The majority can't afford at the moment to switch eco-systems which is why a good portion has even stayed on PS4 and Xbox one at the moment. 



Blood_Tears said:
HyrulianScrolls said:

Just depressing that we hit a 30 year low here. I think we’re finally starting to see the real effects of the way Gen alpha (and younger Gen Z) have basically abandoned console gaming for pc gaming. I’m genuinely worried for the survival of console gaming in 15 years or so. Which as a life long console gamer who vastly prefers it to pc gaming for a whole host of reasons, sucks hard to think about.

With all of that said though, I do think Nintendo was perfectly poised to have a massive holiday with S2 if they had tried whatsoever on the software end. It’s absolutely absurd to me they expected a Hyrule Warriors and Kirby Air Riders game to be the exclusives that would sell their new hardware for its first holiday season. That should’ve been their first party exclusives holiday lineup last year for Switch 1 on its death bed, not for their shiny new successor. 

PC content spending is down as well per the report. With the economy issues and crazy spiked RAM prices which are only going to get worse people aren't buying PC's either. If consumers can't afford a discounted console then they surely can't afford a new gaming PC. The current console and PC crowd is buying software sure but they aren't leaving console gaming to PC either. The majority can't afford at the moment to switch eco-systems which is why a good portion has even stayed on PS4 and Xbox one at the moment. 

Yup, Nvidia just announced they're going to cut consumer GPU production by 30%-40%. They won't say the quiet part aloud but saving those components for use on AI servers is likely far more profitable for them than consumer gamers. They don't really give a shit about gaming, AMD is chasing the same thing too. 

The younger gen that game on PC aren't generally buying the latest/greatest, another worrying sign I saw was most people on PC don't even buy new games. They continue to just keep playing old games and time sink stuff like Fortnite or Roblox. 

I said it in the other thread too but I think we are definitely in a recession, it's just not being labelled as such. For rich people they are doing fine because AI is keeping the stock market high, but for "average joe middle class" ... those people are really starting to hurt and below that it's even worse. It's becoming a two tier economy for sure where you have rich people and then everyone else is struggling to make their month to month bills. 

For Nintendo it probably would have been more ideal had they been able to launch earlier, I think they launched right into an effective recession. Can't control that stuff but it's unfortunate timing. They need to have some very strong software for next year, like Smash Bros and a new Mario. 



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Underwhelming performance for all platforms outside of NEX.

PS5 dropping 40% YoY is steeper than I expected. My 9M+ holiday prediction not looking good now lol.



I didn't realize how poorly BO7 is performing compared to the usual COD standards.

Being 7th in YTD charts is crazy.



DekutheEvilClown said:
firebush03 said:

Ah good point. I forgot about that… well at least the console gamers still have good taste compared to the west lol. (Also, mobile gatcha in Japan is like Roblox in the west.) 

Japanese console gamers have good taste? The Pokémon game is mediocre. They basically buy brightly coloured family friendly games and Monster Hunter.

The west buys shooters, and Sports games. They also buy Read Dead Redemption 2(79m units sold), The Last of Us(20m+), Horizon: Zero Dwn(20m+), BG3(20m), Cyberpunk 2077(35m), the Witcher 3 etc. etc. They buy racing games like GT7 and FH5 and also full-on hardcore driving sims. They buy indie games in the tens of millions, like Hollow Knight, Stardew valley, terraria etc. 

The same sports games and shooters might sell well every year but there’s enough of a market for games of all types to sell millions, for something like Hollow Knight Knight: Silksong to sell 7m at launch and Arc Raiders at 5m+, just like HD2 last year which is approaching 20m now. In Japan there is like a dozen successful franchises and everything else feeds of the scraps, selling in the 10-50k range at launch. How much did Clair Obscur sell in Japan? 

And what is the difference from the west? Look at European sales, only people in droves buying PS to play EA Sports FC. Its funny that Japan has such a bad taste just because they like Nintendo stuff while Europeans who only care about EA Sports on PS has such incredible gaming taste.



Sephiran said:
DekutheEvilClown said:

Japanese console gamers have good taste? The Pokémon game is mediocre. They basically buy brightly coloured family friendly games and Monster Hunter.

The west buys shooters, and Sports games. They also buy Read Dead Redemption 2(79m units sold), The Last of Us(20m+), Horizon: Zero Dwn(20m+), BG3(20m), Cyberpunk 2077(35m), the Witcher 3 etc. etc. They buy racing games like GT7 and FH5 and also full-on hardcore driving sims. They buy indie games in the tens of millions, like Hollow Knight, Stardew valley, terraria etc. 

The same sports games and shooters might sell well every year but there’s enough of a market for games of all types to sell millions, for something like Hollow Knight Knight: Silksong to sell 7m at launch and Arc Raiders at 5m+, just like HD2 last year which is approaching 20m now. In Japan there is like a dozen successful franchises and everything else feeds of the scraps, selling in the 10-50k range at launch. How much did Clair Obscur sell in Japan? 

And what is the difference from the west? Look at European sales, only people in droves buying PS to play EA Sports FC. Its funny that Japan has such a bad taste just because they like Nintendo stuff while Europeans who only care about EA Sports on PS has such incredible gaming taste.

I think you're missing his point as Europe just doesn't buy EA Sports FC. He gave examples of Red Dead, The Last of us, Horizon, CyberPunk, The Witcher 3 etc. The line of thinking there is the "West" would include Europe as well as the US because the purchasing tastes are so similar there for gaming and is still West of Japan. For example CoD tops both the US and Europe charts at times. 



Blood_Tears said:
Sephiran said:

And what is the difference from the west? Look at European sales, only people in droves buying PS to play EA Sports FC. Its funny that Japan has such a bad taste just because they like Nintendo stuff while Europeans who only care about EA Sports on PS has such incredible gaming taste.

I think you're missing his point as Europe just doesn't buy EA Sports FC. He gave examples of Red Dead, The Last of us, Horizon, CyberPunk, The Witcher 3 etc. The line of thinking there is the "West" would include Europe as well as the US because the purchasing tastes are so similar there for gaming and is still West of Japan. For example CoD tops both the US and Europe charts at times. 

So Europe likes EA Sports as well AAA games on PS while Japan enjoys Nintendo games, why would that mean that Japan has bad taste in gaming?