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Hi, i'd like to start a thread about heavy handed religions that feel the need to hurt people because of their beleifs.  I'm talking about Christians hurting gays or muslims hating on gays/women.  I'm talking about all of this and if you have a problem then don't come in here, simple.

This poor woman in a muslim community had quranic verson on her clothing, and they slapped her.    Shame on these muslims!

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Christians that purposefully hurt people aren't practicing their own faith and do not represent those of us that do. If a kid who was gay came to me for help, I would help him/her with every thing I had. Same with anyone else of any other makeup. A human is a human. We're all one.



JackHandy said:

Christians that purposefully hurt people aren't practicing their own faith and do not represent those of us that do. If a kid who was gay came to me for help, I would help him/her with every thing I had. Same with anyone else of any other makeup. A human is a human. We're all one.

We are all one. 

Well that's how we should be but I the real world we find ways to form tribes and divisions. 



My rule is simple.

"I can't do that cos of my religion/beliefs" = okay.

"You can't do that cos of my religion/beliefs" = not okay.

Believe what you want, just don't force it on others.



shavenferret said:
JackHandy said:

Christians that purposefully hurt people aren't practicing their own faith and do not represent those of us that do. If a kid who was gay came to me for help, I would help him/her with every thing I had. Same with anyone else of any other makeup. A human is a human. We're all one.

We are all one. 

Well that's how we should be but I the real world we find ways to form tribes and divisions. 

I agree. The best we can do is becoming the change we want to see in the world. And if you have a platform, instead of telling others how to live, try just living the way you want them to live. People will see, and people will follow. That's the best way to go about making change, imo.



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JackHandy said:
shavenferret said:

We are all one. 

Well that's how we should be but I the real world we find ways to form tribes and divisions. 

I agree. The best we can do is becoming the change we want to see in the world. And if you have a platform, instead of telling others how to live, try just living the way you want them to live. People will see, and people will follow. That's the best way to go about making change, imo.

mr handy, i'm going to protest the way individual people act just as i protest groups of people, just as i will protest the way governments act.  This whole thread is about protesting the problems that religious people bring to others.  I'm not going to be passive and just live by example when there are horrible things happening all over the world.  People like you were too quiet when the nazis showed up.  If more people like me would resist then the nazis would have fallen sooner and millions of people would have been saved.  



shavenferret said:
JackHandy said:

I agree. The best we can do is becoming the change we want to see in the world. And if you have a platform, instead of telling others how to live, try just living the way you want them to live. People will see, and people will follow. That's the best way to go about making change, imo.

mr handy, i'm going to protest the way individual people act just as i protest groups of people, just as i will protest the way governments act.  This whole thread is about protesting the problems that religious people bring to others.  I'm not going to be passive and just live by example when there are horrible things happening all over the world.  People like you were too quiet when the nazis showed up.  If more people like me would resist then the nazis would have fallen sooner and millions of people would have been saved.  

Wow, that's a lot of assumptions on my character, especially given how little you know of me. But okay.

Just realize that changing people is almost impossible unless those people want to be changed. And the very few times it does happen? It happens when you offer them love, not judgment. You can't point your finger at someone, call out their bad behavior/character and expect them to agree with you and change. They will just be offended by it and strike back, sometimes doing things that are far worse than their original offenses.



shavenferret said:
JackHandy said:

I agree. The best we can do is becoming the change we want to see in the world. And if you have a platform, instead of telling others how to live, try just living the way you want them to live. People will see, and people will follow. That's the best way to go about making change, imo.

mr handy, i'm going to protest the way individual people act just as i protest groups of people, just as i will protest the way governments act.  This whole thread is about protesting the problems that religious people bring to others.  I'm not going to be passive and just live by example when there are horrible things happening all over the world.  People like you were too quiet when the nazis showed up.  If more people like me would resist then the nazis would have fallen sooner and millions of people would have been saved.  

I'm sure treating people like this is going to win them over and bring us to a better world.



JackHandy said:
shavenferret said:

mr handy, i'm going to protest the way individual people act just as i protest groups of people, just as i will protest the way governments act.  This whole thread is about protesting the problems that religious people bring to others.  I'm not going to be passive and just live by example when there are horrible things happening all over the world.  People like you were too quiet when the nazis showed up.  If more people like me would resist then the nazis would have fallen sooner and millions of people would have been saved.  

Wow, that's a lot of assumptions on my character, especially given how little you know of me. But okay.

Just realize that changing people is almost impossible unless those people want to be changed. And the very few times it does happen? It happens when you offer them love, not judgment. You can't point your finger at someone, call out their bad behavior/character and expect them to agree with you and change. They will just be offended by it and strike back, sometimes doing things that are far worse than their original offenses.

Christianity wasn't reformed by people being passive.  

It was reformed into a more liberal and accepting version of itself through time and people like me who complained.  America in the segregation era wasn't changed by people just patiently waiting for a better day.  It was changed through protest and calling out bad behavior.  If you see something wrong, then speak up and make the world a better place.  You can also do things like organize a boycott or refuse to participate or work with the establishment.  There are lots of options.   



Zkuq said:
shavenferret said:

mr handy, i'm going to protest the way individual people act just as i protest groups of people, just as i will protest the way governments act.  This whole thread is about protesting the problems that religious people bring to others.  I'm not going to be passive and just live by example when there are horrible things happening all over the world.  People like you were too quiet when the nazis showed up.  If more people like me would resist then the nazis would have fallen sooner and millions of people would have been saved.  

I'm sure treating people like this is going to win them over and bring us to a better world.

How would you have liked to see gay people strung up if you lived during that time?  

How would you feel about some pastor that was spitting as he talked about how evil gay people are, giving a sermon that seeded hate from the foot washing baptists?        

So let me put it this way.  I remember some of your old posts, and i know where your political sympathies lie.  You support the lgbtq crowd because you have known many of them and have been close to them in your life.  Think about those faces when you answer me.