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Should restaurant food be regulated

Yes, regulated. Not banned. 7 41.18%
 
Yes, banned. It’s an ad... 0 0%
 
No ban, and IDC if they regulate. 2 11.76%
 
No ban, no regulation. Free markets baby!! 8 47.06%
 
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shavenferret on 27 October 2025
Chris Hu said:
shavenferret said:

This reminds me of Stoicism.  Do you follow that btw?  

I kind of agree.  It is worrying how bad modern day food is with all of the chemicals and plastics.  I've looked into this more and you start to see how alzheimers, obesity, etc result from these if one has too much microplastics and chemicals in their body.  It's further disheartening to realize how the people from big tobacco purchased fast food companies and have turned their attention to engineering foods that hit every kind of taste and yet are the worst thing you can put into your body.  

I've recently gone vegan and eat simply.  Just stuff from the produce aisle and beans, chia seeds, and yeast.  

Finally, i'll point to how the Flynn effect has peaked and apparently people are backsliding with their IQ now, and i beleive that this may be due to more microplastics in food, more chemicals, more fertilizer, obesity, etc.  It's all the same problem to me.  

Ok, rant over, wish everyone here a good weekend

The main culprit in the lowering of humans IQ in the last 100 years was and still is leaded gasoline even though most gasoline is now unleaded and has been for over 40 years we still deal with its effects on humanity.  The asshole that thought that putting lead in gasoline Thomas Midgley Jr. also came up with Freon which was and is just as bad for humans and the planet.

Well, ok, but that ignores the vast and ever increasing amounts of chemicals in the environment from industrial sources, microplastics, lack of physical exercise, and more processed foods that come from some factory.  It's not nearly so simple as what you're trying to say, or even what i'm saying because there are probably multiple reasons.  



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Chris Hu on 27 October 2025
shavenferret said:
Chris Hu said:

The main culprit in the lowering of humans IQ in the last 100 years was and still is leaded gasoline even though most gasoline is now unleaded and has been for over 40 years we still deal with its effects on humanity.  The asshole that thought that putting lead in gasoline Thomas Midgley Jr. also came up with Freon which was and is just as bad for humans and the planet.

Well, ok, but that ignores the vast and ever increasing amounts of chemicals in the environment from industrial sources, microplastics, lack of physical exercise, and more processed foods that come from some factory.  It's not nearly so simple as what you're trying to say, or even what i'm saying because there are probably multiple reasons.  

Sure, that is the case, but leaded gasoline is still the main culprit in the decline of global overall IQ in the last 100 years, and we still have not recovered from all the damage that was caused by leaded gasoline.  The US has always had very relaxed regulations when it comes to protecting the environment so the effects of microplastics and other forever chemicals are a lot worse in the US than in most other countries.  It's also ironic that Nixon started the EPA but every Republican president since Nixon has been trying to weaken or dismantle the EPA.



mZuzek on 27 October 2025
firebush03 said:

okay then men and women are exploited and trafficked. I just know it’s generally a much bigger issue for women than it is for men (regarding abuse and trafficking). Also, I believe one role of the gov should be — like how a parent may moderate a child’s, for instance, number of cookies they can eat consumption — to moderate how much a person can consume certain potentially predatory/harmful content. This isn’t a matter of moral debate, the overwhelming consensus among research finds a correlation between porn consumption and masturbation with anxiety, depression, and loneliness. Ofc correlation is not causation, though it’s impossible to prove causation… so close enough.

bruh



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Conina on 27 October 2025
Chris Hu said:
shavenferret said:

Well, ok, but that ignores the vast and ever increasing amounts of chemicals in the environment from industrial sources, microplastics, lack of physical exercise, and more processed foods that come from some factory.  It's not nearly so simple as what you're trying to say, or even what i'm saying because there are probably multiple reasons.  

Sure, that is the case, but leaded gasoline is still the main culprit in the decline of global overall IQ in the last 100 years, and we still have not recovered from all the damage that was caused by leaded gasoline.  

Which decline? IQ has gone up in the last 100 years (in all areas), not down:

Maybe the gains would be a bit higher without the toxic effect of leaded petrol (in big cities with too much cars), but there wasn't a decline.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect



shavenferret on 27 October 2025
Conina said:
Chris Hu said:

Sure, that is the case, but leaded gasoline is still the main culprit in the decline of global overall IQ in the last 100 years, and we still have not recovered from all the damage that was caused by leaded gasoline.  

Which decline? IQ has gone up in the last 100 years (in all areas), not down:

Maybe the gains would be a bit higher without the toxic effect of leaded petrol (in big cities with too much cars), but there wasn't a decline.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

Ok, and we are seeing a reverse flynn effect now.  I can link articles and academic journal studies if you like.  The point is that as america gets fatter and fatter we are losing the edge that got us to this point.  

Here is a sampling:  

1. https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a43469569/american-iq-scores-decline-reverse-flynn-effect/     This discusses the reverse flynn effect, and notes a decline in things like verbal fluency as well as abstract reasoning because we've replaced things like philosophy with coding for better or worse. 

2.  https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2025/10/researchers-report-astounding-obesity-surge-in-u-s/          This is the biggest reason as to why we are seeing a reverse flynn effect.   When the bodily machine isn't running as well, the mind won't run as well as it can.   

3.  https://www.nature.com/articles/s44220-025-00396-5   Effect of obesity on cognition...... basically echoes what i've been saying. 



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SvennoJ on 28 October 2025
shavenferret said:
Conina said:

Which decline? IQ has gone up in the last 100 years (in all areas), not down:

Maybe the gains would be a bit higher without the toxic effect of leaded petrol (in big cities with too much cars), but there wasn't a decline.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

Ok, and we are seeing a reverse flynn effect now.  I can link articles and academic journal studies if you like.  The point is that as america gets fatter and fatter we are losing the edge that got us to this point.  

Here is a sampling:  

1. https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a43469569/american-iq-scores-decline-reverse-flynn-effect/     This discusses the reverse flynn effect, and notes a decline in things like verbal fluency as well as abstract reasoning because we've replaced things like philosophy with coding for better or worse. 

2.  https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2025/10/researchers-report-astounding-obesity-surge-in-u-s/          This is the biggest reason as to why we are seeing a reverse flynn effect.   When the bodily machine isn't running as well, the mind won't run as well as it can.   

3.  https://www.nature.com/articles/s44220-025-00396-5   Effect of obesity on cognition...... basically echoes what i've been saying. 

The recent decline is blamed on the smart phone and worsening education, nothing to do with leaded gasoline.

The surge in obesity is thanks to the sugar lobby

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat
https://www.cpreview.org/articles/2024/6/sugarcoating-the-truth-the-role-of-lobbying-in-americas-obesity-epidemic



https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4822166/


And labels are still misleading. recommended daily sugar is 50 grams yet in Canada the %dv indicates 100 grams daily, in the US 300 grams daily!



USA 42g = 14% -> 100% = 300 grams
Canada 39g = 39% -> 100% = 100 grams

The US version uses high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS), Canadian Classic Coca-Cola uses a mixture of sugars, including cane sugar.

The powerful corn lobby is behind the surge in obesity.



Your link for nature doesn't work, however decline in cognition (at later age) is not the same as global decline in IQ

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4237034/

It is abundantly evident that there is a deleterious effect of obesity/high fat feeding on cognitive performance. In human clinical studies, obesity has been shown to increase the risk of the development of mild cognitive impairment, in the form of short-term memory and executive function deficits, as well as dementia and Alzheimer's disease.

The exact mechanisms or mediators that underlie the connections between obesity and the risk of cognitive impairment are still unknown but potential avenues of further research include brain atrophy, disruption in cerebrovascular function, development of Alzheimer's disease related pathology, BBB breakdown, and systemic and central inflammation.


Dementia is indeed also on the rise, but that's more related to old age, people getting older. However obesity can also contribute to 'brain aging'. 


However smart phone / education are responsible for decline in global IQ (reading and math scores going down since 2008)
Rise in obesity is thanks to our diet, cheap sugars, processed food, leading to a decline in cognition at later age.





Chris Hu on 28 October 2025
SvennoJ said:
shavenferret said:

Ok, and we are seeing a reverse flynn effect now.  I can link articles and academic journal studies if you like.  The point is that as america gets fatter and fatter we are losing the edge that got us to this point.  

Here is a sampling:  

1. https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a43469569/american-iq-scores-decline-reverse-flynn-effect/     This discusses the reverse flynn effect, and notes a decline in things like verbal fluency as well as abstract reasoning because we've replaced things like philosophy with coding for better or worse. 

2.  https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2025/10/researchers-report-astounding-obesity-surge-in-u-s/          This is the biggest reason as to why we are seeing a reverse flynn effect.   When the bodily machine isn't running as well, the mind won't run as well as it can.   

3.  https://www.nature.com/articles/s44220-025-00396-5   Effect of obesity on cognition...... basically echoes what i've been saying. 

The recent decline is blamed on the smart phone and worsening education, nothing to do with leaded gasoline.

The surge in obesity is thanks to the sugar lobby

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat
https://www.cpreview.org/articles/2024/6/sugarcoating-the-truth-the-role-of-lobbying-in-americas-obesity-epidemic



https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4822166/


And labels are still misleading. recommended daily sugar is 50 grams yet in Canada the %dv indicates 100 grams daily, in the US 300 grams daily!



USA 42g = 14% -> 100% = 300 grams
Canada 39g = 39% -> 100% = 100 grams

The US version uses high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS), Canadian Classic Coca-Cola uses a mixture of sugars, including cane sugar.

The powerful corn lobby is behind the surge in obesity.



Your link for nature doesn't work, however decline in cognition (at later age) is not the same as global decline in IQ

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4237034/

It is abundantly evident that there is a deleterious effect of obesity/high fat feeding on cognitive performance. In human clinical studies, obesity has been shown to increase the risk of the development of mild cognitive impairment, in the form of short-term memory and executive function deficits, as well as dementia and Alzheimer's disease.

The exact mechanisms or mediators that underlie the connections between obesity and the risk of cognitive impairment are still unknown but potential avenues of further research include brain atrophy, disruption in cerebrovascular function, development of Alzheimer's disease related pathology, BBB breakdown, and systemic and central inflammation.


Dementia is indeed also on the rise, but that's more related to old age, people getting older. However obesity can also contribute to 'brain aging'. 


However smart phone / education are responsible for decline in global IQ (reading and math scores going down since 2008)
Rise in obesity is thanks to our diet, cheap sugars, processed food, leading to a decline in cognition at later age.



In the US nutrition label sugars count as carbs that can of Coca Cola gives you 14% of your daily carbs but over 80% of your daily sugar intake.  Also, that is an older label.  The new label list the percentage of total carbohydrates, directly under it now lists total sugars which includes added sugars and the daily percentage of sugars.  Anyway, the high obesity rate in the US is caused by numerous factors not just bad diets.  Other factors are low exercise rates, hot climate especially in the deep south and in most parts of Arizona which contributes to poor diets and lack of exercise by the population in those areas and cities that are designed around cars instead of pedestrians and bicycles. 



shavenferret on 28 October 2025
SvennoJ said:
shavenferret said:

Ok, and we are seeing a reverse flynn effect now.  I can link articles and academic journal studies if you like.  The point is that as america gets fatter and fatter we are losing the edge that got us to this point.  

Here is a sampling:  

1. https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a43469569/american-iq-scores-decline-reverse-flynn-effect/     This discusses the reverse flynn effect, and notes a decline in things like verbal fluency as well as abstract reasoning because we've replaced things like philosophy with coding for better or worse. 

2.  https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2025/10/researchers-report-astounding-obesity-surge-in-u-s/          This is the biggest reason as to why we are seeing a reverse flynn effect.   When the bodily machine isn't running as well, the mind won't run as well as it can.   

3.  https://www.nature.com/articles/s44220-025-00396-5   Effect of obesity on cognition...... basically echoes what i've been saying. 

The recent decline is blamed on the smart phone and worsening education, nothing to do with leaded gasoline.

The surge in obesity is thanks to the sugar lobby

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat
https://www.cpreview.org/articles/2024/6/sugarcoating-the-truth-the-role-of-lobbying-in-americas-obesity-epidemic



https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4822166/


And labels are still misleading. recommended daily sugar is 50 grams yet in Canada the %dv indicates 100 grams daily, in the US 300 grams daily!



USA 42g = 14% -> 100% = 300 grams
Canada 39g = 39% -> 100% = 100 grams

The US version uses high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS), Canadian Classic Coca-Cola uses a mixture of sugars, including cane sugar.

The powerful corn lobby is behind the surge in obesity.



Your link for nature doesn't work, however decline in cognition (at later age) is not the same as global decline in IQ

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4237034/

It is abundantly evident that there is a deleterious effect of obesity/high fat feeding on cognitive performance. In human clinical studies, obesity has been shown to increase the risk of the development of mild cognitive impairment, in the form of short-term memory and executive function deficits, as well as dementia and Alzheimer's disease.

The exact mechanisms or mediators that underlie the connections between obesity and the risk of cognitive impairment are still unknown but potential avenues of further research include brain atrophy, disruption in cerebrovascular function, development of Alzheimer's disease related pathology, BBB breakdown, and systemic and central inflammation.


Dementia is indeed also on the rise, but that's more related to old age, people getting older. However obesity can also contribute to 'brain aging'. 


However smart phone / education are responsible for decline in global IQ (reading and math scores going down since 2008)
Rise in obesity is thanks to our diet, cheap sugars, processed food, leading to a decline in cognition at later age.

Sure, however I would say that perhaps this is all interrelated: the factors I mentioned previously as well as the ones you brought up.  Ultimately, there will also be many factors in this, no single smoking gun.  So, we are all in a sense, right.  

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Leynos on 29 October 2025

Leave it to religious folk to want anything banned that they don't like.



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

firebush03 on 29 October 2025
Leynos said:

Leave it to religious folk to want anything banned that they don't like.

nah i dont think unhealthy food should be banned (well… maybe some of it should be banned. I like how EU countries handle it over the USA.), i believe that the us gov shouldn’t literally be subsidizing business who do use corn syrup (among other highly addictive food chemicals) in their product. It’s predatory. I don’t like seeing businesses abuse people; if you wanna see the private sector wring out a few extra pennies from consumes at the expense of a mental health crisis among those who do fall prey to this predatory behavior, then so be it. Not sure why you fight for the businesses.