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curl-6 on 22 November 2025
Wman1996 said:
curl-6 said:

WW2 didn't end when Italy capitulated, (or Germany for that matter) the console wars aren't over just cos Xbox is throwing in the towel.

Fair point. Perhaps I should've re-titled the thread to something else.

But using the real-world analogy, Italy was a massive turning point for WW2. After that, the Axis had almost no chance of victory. And after Germany fell? Virtually impossible. 

Xbox has no path to victory (if it even ever did) in the console business. Their revenue is bigger than Nintendo but less than PlayStation. They don't have the profit margins Nintendo does, and they might even be less profitable than PlayStation even with their Xbox Anywhere initiative. 

Nintendo and PlayStation aren't in direct competition and have not been for a long time. 

Consoles will continue to exist, but the exclusive features, architecture, and titles are shrinking. 

Switch 2 and PS5 may take different approaches, but they still compete in that gamers have limited money, so many will choose one over the other.



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Kyuu on 22 November 2025
curl-6 said:
Wman1996 said:

Fair point. Perhaps I should've re-titled the thread to something else.

But using the real-world analogy, Italy was a massive turning point for WW2. After that, the Axis had almost no chance of victory. And after Germany fell? Virtually impossible. 

Xbox has no path to victory (if it even ever did) in the console business. Their revenue is bigger than Nintendo but less than PlayStation. They don't have the profit margins Nintendo does, and they might even be less profitable than PlayStation even with their Xbox Anywhere initiative. 

Nintendo and PlayStation aren't in direct competition and have not been for a long time. 

Consoles will continue to exist, but the exclusive features, architecture, and titles are shrinking. 

Switch 2 and PS5 may take different approaches, but they still compete in that gamers have limited money, so many will choose one over the other.

The console war is no longer relevant though. It's "Platform wars" now. I would argue that Valve is a more direct competitor to Playstation than Nintendo is. Sony not being able to see this may cost them. But while I shouldn't take anything Jez Corden says at face value, the idea of Sony dialling back on PC support for tentpole singleplayer titles makes sense to me.

We also need to remember that TikTok is now Microsoft's main competitor, and so it stands to reason that this will evolve to chocolate bars competing with Sony, and keto sweets with Nintendo. War has changed.



curl-6 on 22 November 2025
Kyuu said:
curl-6 said:

Switch 2 and PS5 may take different approaches, but they still compete in that gamers have limited money, so many will choose one over the other.

The console war is no longer relevant though. It's "Platform wars" now. I would argue that Valve is a more direct competitor to Playstation than Nintendo is. Sony not being able to see this may cost them. But while I shouldn't take anything Jez Corden says at face value, the idea of Sony dialling back on PC support for tentpole singleplayer titles makes sense to me.

We also need to remember that TikTok is now Microsoft's main competitor, and so it stands to reason that this will evolve to chocolate bars competing with Sony, and keto sweets with Nintendo. War has changed.

It's very relevant for Nintendo and Sony as its still a core part of their business, it's just not for Microsoft any more as they have failed at it.



KrspaceT on 22 November 2025

Given that Sony altered their Japan strategy to compete with Nintendo, I'd say the war these days is Nintendo vs Sony vs Steam and anyone who thinks no war is happening, or that sort of competition isn't important.....is dumb.

If the three ignore the others, nothing good will come of it. Not just for us, look at Sony going 'Oh god, abandoning one of the three main regions of game sales to our enemy was a bad thing!' at the moment.



The Democratic Nintendo fan....is that a paradox? I'm fond of one of the more conservative companies in the industry, but I vote Liberally and view myself that way 90% of the time?

HebrewGamer on 24 November 2025
Pemalite said:
HebrewGamer said:

This is talking about "console war" buddy. Have you been paying attention? 

If you want to talk about the overall market leader in gaming, you need to make another thread(and you would be wrong there too).

Let me dumb it down some more so you might actually understand.
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The PC entered the console war and won... Thus ending the console war.

Perfectly relevant to this thread. - Your role on this forum isn't to tell people what is relevant and not relevant either.

Well, this is definitely dumb because this never happened.

You seem to deal in delusions so i'll leave you to it. 



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HebrewGamer on 24 November 2025
BraLoD said:
HebrewGamer said:

Did you plan to have some type of counter argument, or did you just want to leave your flaming bag of poop on the porch and run off?

Kids these days...

Why would anyone need to make an argument against a lunatic post?

Just making sure to point it out to not let it pass as something normal to post.

Because ad hominem isn't an argument, at least not to intelligent people and mature adults.



Pemalite on 24 November 2025
HebrewGamer said:
Pemalite said:

Let me dumb it down some more so you might actually understand.
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The PC entered the console war and won... Thus ending the console war.

Perfectly relevant to this thread. - Your role on this forum isn't to tell people what is relevant and not relevant either.

Well, this is definitely dumb because this never happened.

You seem to deal in delusions so i'll leave you to it. 

Just because you think it is "dumb" doesn't make it so.
Just because you think others "deal in delusions" doesn't make it so.
That is delusional circular thinking to reinforce your own false dichotomy.

PC entered the console war and won.
How?

1) Consoles adopted PC technolgy.
- Radeon graphics, x86 processors, GDDR Ram.

2) Consoles adopted PC software.
- *Nix or Windows based, low-level API's and driver forks based on commodity releases.

3) Consoles adopting PC ecosystems. - Microsoft is heading this way with potentially the next Xbox having side-loading of PC stores.
- Steam entered the console market with the Steam Machines from over a decade ago and more recently with Steam Deck and GabeCube using a "Semi-Custom" software stack, with their own store front.
- Microsoft and Sony releasing their games on PC, with console services (I.E. Gamepass) being on PC, blurring the lines of platform exclusivity.

4) PC has continued to grow in terms of userbase, dwarfing any console platform whilst the console market has stayed static or shrunk.
HebrewGamer said:

Because ad hominem isn't an argument, at least not to intelligent people and mature adults.

Your abrasion to other points of view is extremely trying at the moment.

..It seems to me you are essentially pushing the idea that "everyone else is wrong, I am the only one that is right" which in of itself is logically fallacious.

You can't even put forth a compelling argument, instead you are attacking the posters themselves.



--::{PC Gaming Master Race}::--

Kyuu on 24 November 2025
HebrewGamer said:

Nintendo is the only company with the ability to have a console war. No other company has the IP muscle to make console gaming work. The only way games other than Nintendo games are selling is by being on every platform known to man at an 80% discount.

Which is why Nintendo games will never go multi-platform. Please stop saying they will because they made some Mobile games. Putting your games on Mobile and using your IP to make mobile games ARE NOT THE SAME THING. You will not legally be able to play Age of Imprisonment unless you have a Switch 2 and they're going to war with the darkweb to make sure the only place you can legally play their retro library is on NSO..

Nintendo expanded into cinema and animation way back in the late 80s with the Super Mario Bros. Super Show and the Super Mario Movie. The only difference between Nintendo today and Nintendo in the late 1980s is their expansion into those realms worked today when it didn't work back then. Nintendo has always wanted to be the new Disney, and they're well on their way to that now.

The console market is shrinking because Nintendo is the only player in town with their competitors going a different direction. everyone but Nintendo has a strategy which deprioritizes console sales to focus on software sales, which is where the real money has always been anyway.

1. Nintendo can't be the only one to have a console war. Because "war" requires the existence of an opponent lol.

2. "The only way games other than Nintendo games are selling is by being on every platform known to man at an 80% discount" is objectively false and silly. PS5-era Sony possibly makes more money per copy sold than Nintendo does, and the vast majority of their software sales come from their own consoles. But Nintendo's output is far greater in quantity, cheaper to develop, and sells a lot more.

3. Never say never. Anything can or will happen at some point.

4. Platforms generally make sooo much more money than own software. Recent Microsoft and maybe Tencent are the only relevant platform holders prioritizing own software over platform sales.

5. Nintendo, Sony, Valve, Apple, and Google are all about "platforms". Nintendo being more reliant on own software compared to the other 4 is actually a double edged sword. Because if their own software quality or sales degrade, the entire platform would suffer. Sony and Nintendo both have things that the other doesn't. Nintendo is more self-sufficient, but Sony doesn't need to match them as long as they dominate in 3rd party sales. The main purpose of Sony's software is to help keeping you locked in their platform where you would then spend on the ocean of 3rd party content which gives them a nice 30% cut. So far they're succeeding despite PC support diminishing the platform appeal.

6. The console market isn't shrinking unless hardware sales is your sole metric.



HebrewGamer on 25 November 2025
Pemalite said:
HebrewGamer said:

Well, this is definitely dumb because this never happened.

You seem to deal in delusions so i'll leave you to it. 

Just because you think it is "dumb" doesn't make it so.
Just because you think others "deal in delusions" doesn't make it so.
That is delusional circular thinking to reinforce your own false dichotomy.

PC entered the console war and won.
How?

1) Consoles adopted PC technolgy.
- Radeon graphics, x86 processors, GDDR Ram.

2) Consoles adopted PC software.
- *Nix or Windows based, low-level API's and driver forks based on commodity releases.

3) Consoles adopting PC ecosystems. - Microsoft is heading this way with potentially the next Xbox having side-loading of PC stores.
- Steam entered the console market with the Steam Machines from over a decade ago and more recently with Steam Deck and GabeCube using a "Semi-Custom" software stack, with their own store front.
- Microsoft and Sony releasing their games on PC, with console services (I.E. Gamepass) being on PC, blurring the lines of platform exclusivity.

4) PC has continued to grow in terms of userbase, dwarfing any console platform whilst the console market has stayed static or shrunk.
HebrewGamer said:

Because ad hominem isn't an argument, at least not to intelligent people and mature adults.

Your abrasion to other points of view is extremely trying at the moment.

..It seems to me you are essentially pushing the idea that "everyone else is wrong, I am the only one that is right" which in of itself is logically fallacious.

You can't even put forth a compelling argument, instead you are attacking the posters themselves.

1)According to your logic Radeon won the console war and is the market leader because everyone uses their hardware. This isn't even an argument. 

2) windows is an operating system, not a PC

3) Microsoft and Sony had to bail on their consoles because they couldn't move units without going multi-platform. 

Meanwhile Everyone is coming out with a handheld system because switch dominated the market like the Wii dominated the market in the 7th generation with Microsoft and Sony ripping off their motion control idea. 

Just say you hate Nintendo and keep it moving.



HebrewGamer on 25 November 2025
Kyuu said:
HebrewGamer said:

Nintendo is the only company with the ability to have a console war. No other company has the IP muscle to make console gaming work. The only way games other than Nintendo games are selling is by being on every platform known to man at an 80% discount.

Which is why Nintendo games will never go multi-platform. Please stop saying they will because they made some Mobile games. Putting your games on Mobile and using your IP to make mobile games ARE NOT THE SAME THING. You will not legally be able to play Age of Imprisonment unless you have a Switch 2 and they're going to war with the darkweb to make sure the only place you can legally play their retro library is on NSO..

Nintendo expanded into cinema and animation way back in the late 80s with the Super Mario Bros. Super Show and the Super Mario Movie. The only difference between Nintendo today and Nintendo in the late 1980s is their expansion into those realms worked today when it didn't work back then. Nintendo has always wanted to be the new Disney, and they're well on their way to that now.

The console market is shrinking because Nintendo is the only player in town with their competitors going a different direction. everyone but Nintendo has a strategy which deprioritizes console sales to focus on software sales, which is where the real money has always been anyway.

1. Nintendo can't be the only one to have a console war. Because "war" requires the existence of an opponent lol.

2. "The only way games other than Nintendo games are selling is by being on every platform known to man at an 80% discount" is objectively false and silly. PS5-era Sony possibly makes more money per copy sold than Nintendo does, and the vast majority of their software sales come from their own consoles. But Nintendo's output is far greater in quantity, cheaper to develop, and sells a lot more.

3. Never say never. Anything can or will happen at some point.

4. Platforms generally make sooo much more money than own software. Recent Microsoft and maybe Tencent are the only relevant platform holders prioritizing own software over platform sales.

5. Nintendo, Sony, Valve, Apple, and Google are all about "platforms". Nintendo being more reliant on own software compared to the other 4 is actually a double edged sword. Because if their own software quality or sales degrade, the entire platform would suffer. Sony and Nintendo both have things that the other doesn't. Nintendo is more self-sufficient, but Sony doesn't need to match them as long as they dominate in 3rd party sales. The main purpose of Sony's software is to help keeping you locked in their platform where you would then spend on the ocean of 3rd party content which gives them a nice 30% cut. So far they're succeeding despite PC support diminishing the platform appeal.

6. The console market isn't shrinking unless hardware sales is your sole metric.

1. You have to come up with something better than "Nintendo is not competing". Everyone has a handheld system coming out because of Nintendo. Nintendo hasn't put their games on PC or anywhere else but a Nintendo gaming system while Valve made the Steamdeck and now the steam machine. Follow the leader!

2. They make money through MTX where you don't have to sell 30 million copies to be successful. You just need a couple million people to spend $10K on loot boxes and gacha. Nintendo has more 30 million sellers on the Switch alone than Microsoft and Sony have in their entire console history combined.

3. It will never happen if Nintendo doesn't have another WiiU type collapse. Why would they give up the money they make having their own platform and their own games with 3rd parties paying them to put their games on Nintendo's platform?

4. Umm...No. Hardware has never made more money than software as profit margins for hardware are razor thin unlike software especially now with everything going digital.

5. We're talking about consoles, not platforms. I've said the console wars are over and the platform wars have begun a year ago. consoles and platforms aren't the same thing. A console is part of a platform not the platform itself. The PS5 is carried by COD and MTX. They don't have to move units, they just have to hoard whales.

6. If Nintendo is the only company that can move hardware than yes the console market is shrinking and has been shrinking due to mobile gaming taking over during the pandemic. Nintendo has stayed in it by going mobile with the hybrid Switch.