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KLXVER said:

Yes, people are supposed to be a certain way. We are supposed to have two eyes, one nose, two arms, two legs etc... If you dont, then you have a defect. Doesnt make you less of a human, but something is indeed missing.

Nature doesn't have a "supposed to be", in the first place. You're assigning some kind of purpose to how things are. That's the other problem with your Switch example, the supposed to be is because it was made to work a certain way. If I make a piece of furniture with the intent that it's to be a kitchen table, I might be disappointed if it's a bad kitchen table. 

Nature doesn't make things with intent. It throws everything at the wall, and some things end up sticking better. 

At one point, animals were not "supposed to" breathe on land in the first place. It ended up being a useful change.

Mnementh said:

Actually I think he means actual birth defect and intersex conditions, which is a separate thing from being trans. Trans people don't have to be intersexual and aren't for the most part. It is true that some people try to argue with intersex conditions as something to justify trans people. Naturally you shouldn't do that, trans people are trans people and it is much clearer if you separate sex and gender (which admittedly is not separated linguistical in many languages like it is in english). Trans people are not intersex (which would mean undefined or unclear sex), but their gender and their sex differ.

I've been meaning to get back to you on this since last time.

>it is much clearer if you separate sex and gender 

I think it is important to meet people's arguments where they're understanding it. If someone refuses to acknowledge the difference or refuses to believe that there is a difference between gender and sex, then I think it's important to talk about their underlying assumptions. 

Pointing out how masculine and feminine traits aren't completely separate things in the first place, I think is a meaningful critique of a lot of transphobic arguments. Pointing out that the assumption that is made - that men and women are just wildly different creatures - is inaccurate I think is a useful starting step.  

In another example, we shouldn't need to justify homosexuality in the first place. It doesn't actually hurt anyone, and it's just diversity. But people will still question why people are gay in the first place - whether there's an evolutionary reason for it. And people will argue that they we do see homosexual behaviors in animals, contradicting the claim that it's an unnatural behavior (as if that's a meaningful argument in the first place).  



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Dante9 said:
SeaDaVie said:

But yeah, the research does not surprise me one bit. These are the people who are ready to disown their family members for having the "wrong" opinions politically. Never seen that kind of zealotry on the right.

You’re totally correct, people on the right have never  disowned their family members for things like having an abortion or having a child out of wedlock or for being gay or dating someone of a different race or religion.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

Dante9 said:

These are the people who are ready to disown their family members for having the "wrong" opinions politically. Never seen that kind of zealotry on the right.

Are you living under a rock?

There are people that have killed their children for being gay. 

Dante9 said:

Things like the climate or equality are not as simple as they would like to think, there are nuances in things and much that is yet to be discussed and discovered. Most people want the same things and to be good to other people, but the key is in how that is achieved. That is where the disagreement comes from. How do we get to equality in a way that is fair to everybody, for instance? That's not a simple question. Or is true equality even attainable, or just idealistic and moralistic masturbation?

Left wingers talk about all of these things all the time. Almost nothing is simple. 

In my experience, right wingers are the ones who want simple answers. XY=male, XX=female, whereas left wingers are like "check this out":


Dante9 said:

You are kidding, right? The left are in their own bubble with their own "facts" and "truths" and at the same time they can't even define what a woman is.

They are a cult, a hivemind, and they live in a dangerous paradigm of moral superiority and "good and evil". People like that cannot be reasoned or argued with. They simply think that they are the good people and if you don't agree with them on any given point, you are evil and thus you can be totally disregarded and wiped off the face of the earth.

Meanwhile:

"Black guy got shot by a police officer? He was probably being rude and probably had it coming".

"3 year old illegal immigrant killed by Texas trap? Should have known better than to come here."



IcaroRibeiro said:
Dante9 said:

But yeah, the research does not surprise me one bit. These are the people who are ready to disown their family members for having the "wrong" opinions politically. Never seen that kind of zealotry on the right.

Say this to my conservative uncle. He cast me out of the family and block me to contact my cousins in the moment I've started dating a man

He probably didn't got the memo conservatives should not disown their own family members ;) 

Unfortunately, your story is a dime a dozen. That’s why its pointless even responding to that guy who immediately jumped into the discussion and on his first comment started with a completely outrageous reality defying lie. 



the-pi-guy said:
KLXVER said:

Yes, people are supposed to be a certain way. We are supposed to have two eyes, one nose, two arms, two legs etc... If you dont, then you have a defect. Doesnt make you less of a human, but something is indeed missing.

Nature doesn't have a "supposed to be", in the first place. You're assigning some kind of purpose to how things are. That's the other problem with your Switch example, the supposed to be is because it was made to work a certain way. If I make a piece of furniture with the intent that it's to be a kitchen table, I might be disappointed if it's a bad kitchen table. 

Nature doesn't make things with intent. It throws everything at the wall, and some things end up sticking better. 

At one point, animals were not "supposed to" breathe on land in the first place. It ended up being a useful change.

The female of our species is supposed to carry our children. So yes, nature has a supposed to be. It might have been random when we first evolved into what we are today, but now that we have evolved, we have purposes. 

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LurkerJ said:

There is always a study.....

I'm aware of at least one study whose finding is that beer works well for recovering from sports (fatigue). I don't doubt the study, but it's probably full of all kinds of gotchas. In particular, I suspect it's true only under some fairly specific circumstances, which might or might not reflect real circumstances well, and it also doesn't touch on the negative aspects of beer. Like I said earlier: context matters a lot (to be clear, I'm kind of including limitations etc. in 'context' here).

In case you were wondering, yes, IIRC the study was performend in collaboration with a brewery or some other party related to the beverage industry.



This threat actually started out quite neutral and sharing ideas. Then it again became a 'let me tell you why the other side is so bad'.

What a waste



Tober said:

This threat actually started out quite neutral and sharing ideas. Then it again became a 'let me tell you why the other side is so bad'.

What a waste

Literally two comments in there is a comment from a user which makes the claim: "it almost seems like a mantra of the left to not listen or talk to people with different views." and the thread was almost immediately a left vs right debate then followed immediately by a debate about trans people and how the left don't know what a woman is, yeah, it was totally neutral and sharing ideas, Lol. 🙄

Don't know why you're trying to take a moral high ground. This thread was doomed from the start when the OP used a title which the study itself doesn't even make the claim of, or put the bare minimum amount of information in the OP about the study such as sample size, the questions posed, the 5 data point methodology, etc. To intentionally frame it in a negative way towards the left.

The questions alone (all 8 of them) make it stupid to make the assertion in the title, I don't really think there's much to even take from this 396 sample size study of 8 questions which are based on an agreement strength scale for a majority of questions which I didn't need a study to tell me that left wingers typically strongly support, I can easily come up with 8 questions which left wingers would find disagreement over, especially if we're talking about American left-wingers I.E. Democrats who are majority centrist, Lol.



Make a thread about a cute puppy and it will turn into a Left vs Right sooner or later.



KLXVER said:

Make a thread about a cute puppy and it will turn into a Left vs Right sooner or later.

Will you pop into that thread too and say we don't know what a female dog is?