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Cyran said:
KLXVER said:

Its about immersion. You cant just say "Its a fantasy world" and everything is ok. Where were all these characters and pronouns in the previous three games? Its so out of place in that series. It would be like in the next Elder Scrolls game a character pulls out an Iphone and calls in an airstrike. Is that ok? Its just fantasy, right?

People only care if the game is bad.  baldur's gate 3 uses Pronouns in a fantasy setting and was not used historically in forgotten realms but it had 0 effect on how much people loved that game.  Game play/writing is still king and if a game does those 2 things well you can add all the Pronouns you want into the game and the vast majority of people won't care regardless of settings.

watch this.


They believe in freedom of choice, and give players that.
They don't go out of their way to insert political messaging in said game.

Sven is a f***ing legend.
He says all the things gamers want to hear, and actually believes and does it.
I have faith this man, could lead any game development project in the world, and produce something good.



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KLXVER said:
TallSilhouette said:
JRPGfan said:

"....the phrase non-binary gender was not known until 1999 and not in regular use until 2006."

Yep according to google, that term wasn't used then.

Is this referring to Veilguard? Pretty sure that game is set in a fantasy world; you know, as in not subject to the same rules as the real world. I'm pretty sure we use lots of terms and ideas today that didn't exist in medieval times, even in games about medieval times. I wonder why those anachronisms don't cause such an uproar...

JRPGfan said:

Also why is it that the otherside just ignore the facts, these effects have on games... and resort to name calling?
Like we already have a person posting a picture, naming people that don't agree with him, as dickheads.

KLXVER said:

Its been like this for a while now. The people preaching about inclusion are usually the most vicious in the way they talk about other people.

A meme calling people dickheads is a vicious attack, now? What facts am I ignoring, JRPGfan?

Its about immersion. You cant just say "Its a fantasy world" and everything is ok. Where were all these characters and pronouns in the previous three games? Its so out of place in that series. It would be like in the next Elder Scrolls game a character pulls out an Iphone and calls in an airstrike. Is that ok? Its just fantasy, right?

Funny that you mention Elder Scrolls...

Elder Scrolls has the Daedric Princes and Aedra who are neither male or female and some have displayed themselves as both, it is also home to Lord Vivec who is both male and female and had some sort of sexual relations with Molag Bal, this is lore that has been established for 10+ years but recently "Gamers" lost their minds at Elder Scrolls Online adding a non-binary High Elf...Despite Deadric Princes and Lord Vivec long being established as people and beings who don't give a fuck about gender, Lol.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 14 December 2024

JRPGfan said:
Cyran said:

People only care if the game is bad.  baldur's gate 3 uses Pronouns in a fantasy setting and was not used historically in forgotten realms but it had 0 effect on how much people loved that game.  Game play/writing is still king and if a game does those 2 things well you can add all the Pronouns you want into the game and the vast majority of people won't care regardless of settings.

watch this.


They believe in freedom of choice, and give players that.
They don't go out of their way to insert political messaging in said game.

Sven is a f***ing legend.
He says all the things gamers want to hear, and actually believes and does it.
I have faith this man, could lead any game development project in the world, and produce something good.

That my point, you can have pronouns and all the woke stuff in a game as long as you make a good game.  The problem is not woke games the problem is bad writing and bad game play. Baldur's Gate 3 is an example of a good game with "woke" stuff in it like pronouns.



Cyran said:
JRPGfan said:

watch this.


They believe in freedom of choice, and give players that.
They don't go out of their way to insert political messaging in said game.

Sven is a f***ing legend.
He says all the things gamers want to hear, and actually believes and does it.
I have faith this man, could lead any game development project in the world, and produce something good.

That my point, you can have pronouns and all the woke stuff in a game as long as you make a good game.  The problem is not woke games the problem is bad writing and bad game play. Baldur's Gate 3 is an example of a good game with "woke" stuff in it like pronouns.

Yeah, Baldur's Gate 3 would be woke as fuck by their same logic but it was also an amazing game so the grifters ignore it because it's almost impossible to attack it, but when a single bad title releases they'll scurry to that one like "See! It failed because woke! It failed because pronouns!" and use that bad title to justify their attempts at removing any sight of this from all videogames.

I've seen so many titles this year be accused of being woke but many of these grifters shut up if the game is loved by the general public or sells a lot because that makes it harder to form a narrative, they'll keep searching until they find a title that is bad for a whole host of reasons and then slap that "WOKE" label on it and then spread that rage over 10 YouTube videos, rile the community up against an imaginary enemy.

Grifted by losers like Grummz who can't release anything of note in over 10 years so his only path to relevancy nowadays is by riling people up and dozens of YouTubers whose career depends on clicks and sadly rage-bait is the best way to achieve that. Not much different than those loser console warriors who pitch gamers against each other, now it has just turned into culture wars.

But hey, it has united some console users, I'm an Xbox fan who has been defending PlayStation more than ever lately, Lmfao.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 14 December 2024

TallSilhouette said:

XDDDDD That image is priceless.

Woke has no real meaning at all. It has been overly-used by far-right people, during many years, trying to attack leftism, and I personally doubt it never was a leftist thing/idea at all in WOKE, but just a Neoliberal "mumbo-jumbo" created by economic elites: Why? because Leftist and Liberalism are NOT the same, as americans still think. Sorry USA people:

"Liberalism", in Europe, always was a center-right idea. So, in US, people got scammed by the power, making them believe "neoliberal ideas" as "WOKE" is (with no clear definitions... but purely based on cheap emotions) were "the left". Nope, It wasn't. 

I 100% believe "WOKE" word was used as a trojan horse by conservatism against progressivism. And worked very well during some years.

And to be more clear: In any Left Totalitarian countries, ANYTHING remotely related to WOKE (sexual free identifications, and overuse of extremely blurry language, basically), would have been criminally persecuted: Try to be WOKE in North Korea, and tell me. 

EXACTLY as it would do in any classical Right Totalitarian countries (No WOKE for you in NAZI Germany neither, sorry).

"WOKE" only "works well" in a very very (neo)liberal society. Like some parts of US, or in Israel (promoting itself as an LGTBQ tourist-friendly country in their ads, while at the same time, heavely violating ALL the human rights with palestinians. Pure neoliberalism).



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Ryuu96 said:

These days it feels like every single game released is "woke" according to these grifters.

Fascinating video on Steam trends, especially these statistics- of all the games released in Steam in 2024, just 2.5% had the "LBGTQ+" tag and 7% had the "female protagonist" tag. This is supposedly the political trend that's overwhelming and destroying gaming.

youtu.be/qiNv3qv-YbU?...

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— Jacob Geller (@jacobgeller.bsky.social) 11 December 2024 at 22:43

They will keep trying to erase everyone who doesn't fit into their narrow view of how people should look and act. I try to ignore a lot of it, especially since everything is now "woke" at this point. Halo in UE is "woke" because Chief apparently looks feminine now, Space Marine 2 was "woke" for having a female commander. Dead Rising Remake was "woke" for removing the sexy photo feature, Avowed is "woke" for having pronouns, Indiana Jones was "woke" for having a strong female sidekick and one of the developers wore an LGBTQ+ shirt, Dragon Age is "woke" for a 5 minute conversation, Call of Duty is "woke" for having a non-binary operator. Now Witcher IV is "woke" because Ciri has aged and doesn't look like a teenager anymore and Naughty Dog's new game is "woke" for having a black character with a shaved head.

Lately even some of those who used to call games woke are now combating certain "woke" narratives, they'll simultaneously say that some games are apparently "woke" whilst defending the accusations of "woke" thrown to other games, doesn't that tell them that this whole thing is one big grift? The word "woke" is being thrown at everything. It is by far the most insufferable thing about gaming today, I  wish we could go back to console wars, maybe that is what happened? The console wars are dead so people need to find a new thing to make people angry about. They'll slam that woke label on practically everything except games with female characters that look like teenagers or perfectly looking no matter the context and their own personal attraction. It's a never ending pursuit of trying to find the next grift to provide them content for the next month.

A lot of gamers are being grifted by the rage baiting idiots on Twitter and YouTube who are desperate for attention and in the case of YouTube it is literally their work and unfortunately hate sells better so they'll desperately go from game to game, seeking the next "woke" game to complain about, the next imaginary enemy, so they have enough content for 20 more videos screaming about how much they hate modern gaming. Some titles I listed above didn't generate the same amount of controversy because they were titles loved by the public and that makes the grift harder to do so they'll quietly move onto the next. They will keep searching until they finally hit a bad title to "justify" their campaign or a title which simply didn't sell well and say "See, I was right!" but the truth is when you attack practically every game out there you will eventually hit one bad one.

They will make up imaginary enemies like SBI who aren't the first or only consultancy group, they are just the next target, they will stupidly claim that a consultancy group with less than 20 employees can push around billion $ corporations, they will ignore the good titles SBI has been involved in like AW2, GoW:R, SM2 and they will paint gaming journalists as the enemy, claim they are in cahoots with the "woke" but journalists scores largely match with Steam reviews on SBI titles and when journalists fall because gamers have been grifted into believing they're the enemy, all they will have left is their rage baiting Twitter users and YouTubers who will find the next thing to be angry about and blame for all of life's issues, and while gamers argue with each other, morons like Grummz and Angry YouTuber #2520 are laughing at us. Isn't it exhausting to be this bitter?

Won't be long before they're calling women's uteruses woke for producing female babies /s. 

I agree with some of what you are saying. However, do you believe there is no truth at all to what any of them are saying? 

The gamers complaining about a game being woke is not what makes me not interested in it. Its more the developers or publishers insulting gamers for not liking or buying their games and calling them out and shaming them for it. Its disgusting. If you dont like what they are saying, then ignore them. Most developers do just ignore the more mean comments and focus on real criticism. But there are some developers that just cant shut the fuck up and let the game speak for itself.

Developers can do whatever they want with the product they are making and we the consumers have the right to buy it or not buy it for whatever reason. 

Its obviously working as of late though. Being branded "woke" is almost a certain kiss of death these days. It might not be fair, but I think there is more to it than that. I think gamers are just sick of developers and journalists working against them more than they work for them.

 



"Woke" is like the word "racist". Starting to lose meaning.



KLAMarine said:

"Woke" is like the word "racist". Starting to lose meaning.

To me the words are starting to mean the same thing.



KLXVER said:
KLAMarine said:

"Woke" is like the word "racist". Starting to lose meaning.

To me the words are starting to mean the same thing.

Very interesting. Considering language is a social construct, everyone ultimately operates through their own individual dictionary.



KLXVER said:

I dont know, what about a character claiming shes non-binary in a game set in the middle ages?

JRPGfan said:

"....the phrase non-binary gender was not known until 1999 and not in regular use until 2006."

Yep according to google, that term wasn't used then.


Also why is it that the otherside just ignore the facts, these effects have on games... and resort to name calling?
Like we already have a person posting a picture, naming people that don't agree with him, as dickheads.

"Third genders" are thousands of years old. A lot of the terminology is new in English, but there are tons of cultures that have recognized more genders than 2.

The Bugis in Indonesia have recognized 5 genders for hundreds of years.

It's mostly only been in the past century, that there has been any pushback against that idea.

There are a lot of writings that Ancient Egypt (4000 years ago), had 3 genders.