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BFR said:

I never said your "singular sentence" was the whole story. I was just referring to you saying that "What people don't like is when the politics are at odds with their own views."

I'm sorry, but I disagree with that statement. However, for the most part, you are right....but, there are always exceptions to anything someone states as a fact.

When have people been outraged about their own politics? (Except maybe when they don't recognize it as their own politics.)



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JRPGfan said:

is the context still "woke" games?

I thought most muslim countries view homosexuallity as a death penality.
These are not countries or peoples, that are accepting of that sort of stuff, in video games either imo.

Not sure how big a market, the muslim world is for video games or buying them.
But it all circles back to "the consumer is always right" (if you want to sell them something).

or stand on principle, or and ignore that potential market.

Uganda is a Christian-majority country with the death penalty for homosexuality.

Religion is inherently immoral, abusive and judgemental in general.

the-pi-guy said:

People don't care if entertainment is political. Most entertainment that does anything interesting is political. What people don't like is when the politics are at odds with their own views.

Many games use politics to drive a narrative forward, Bioshock is a good example.
Games like Halo use religion as a story telling aid to add depth to it's story.

Imagine how much less depth the Covenant would have if it wasn't for the Prophets sprouting their religious rhetoric to keep the covenant under their thumb and use that to drive their reasoning to activate the halo rings?
And you are right, most people don't care... I am Atheist and enjoyed that part of Halo as it adds character and story dynamic.

Same with LGBTQI characters, Mass effect and Dragon age I simply didn't care, they are aspects of those characters, they aren't all those characters are... I.E. Kaidan Alenko.



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the-pi-guy said:
BFR said:

I never said your "singular sentence" was the whole story. I was just referring to you saying that "What people don't like is when the politics are at odds with their own views."

I'm sorry, but I disagree with that statement. However, for the most part, you are right....but, there are always exceptions to anything someone states as a fact.

When have people been outraged about their own politics? (Except maybe when they don't recognize it as their own politics.)

Pi, I think you need to take a break It's not about "their own politics"

It's about "The (i.e. Hollywood) politics" that's gets shoved in their faces. As an example, I listed the Exorcist movie from 1973.

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KLXVER said:

"In March 2016, Ryan Green, speaking for his team, commented that the game has only sold about 14,000 copies, based on Steam Spy data, and they have yet to recover their development funds for the game"

Wow, 14,000 people bought an indie game about cancer. 

What exactly is your point? Being rare doesn't change the fact that something exists.

A planet exists in the universe that holds life. It only takes 1 to show that is true. A rebuttal with 4,000 other planets without life isn't a correct logical rebuttal. 

Millions of people watched the game:



BFR said:

Pi, I think you need to take a break It's not about "their own politics" it's about "The (i.e. Hollywood) politics that's gets shoved in their faces. As an example, I listed the Exorcist movie from 1973.

For the underlined. That's all I'm saying, if that's a better way for you to understand what I'm saying. People aren't upset about "politics", they're more often upset about Hollywood politics. 



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the-pi-guy said:
BFR said:

Pi, I think you need to take a break It's not about "their own politics" it's about "The (i.e. Hollywood) politics that's gets shoved in their faces. As an example, I listed the Exorcist movie from 1973.

For the underlined. That's all I'm saying, if that's a better way for you to understand what I'm saying. People aren't upset about "politics", they're more often upset about Hollywood politics. 

Pi, I agree with you 100% on the bolded part.  Why couldn't you have said this much earlier in this thread???



the-pi-guy said:
KLXVER said:

"In March 2016, Ryan Green, speaking for his team, commented that the game has only sold about 14,000 copies, based on Steam Spy data, and they have yet to recover their development funds for the game"

Wow, 14,000 people bought an indie game about cancer. 

What exactly is your point? Being rare doesn't change the fact that something exists.

A planet exists in the universe that holds life. It only takes 1 to show that is true. A rebuttal with 4,000 other planets without life isn't a correct logical rebuttal. 

Millions of people watched the game:

Millions of people watch true crime about serial killers as well. Whats YOUR point? 

I was saying that it would be depressing playing a game like that and it seems like many others agree, so they just watched it on Youtube instead of playing it themselves.

Also:

"Numinous Games used YouTube's ContentID system to flag and take down some of these videos, leading some players to complain. Ryan admitted this was not the best approach towards addressing the issue. Ryan felt that they would be satisfied if these viewers had left small tips on Numinous Games' website in lieu of purchasing the game, so that Numinous could continue to develop more titles"



BFR said:

Pi, I agree with you 100% on the bolded part.  Why couldn't you have said this much earlier in this thread???

It's what I did say, I just said it in a different way. 

People are upset about hollywood politics, because those politics aren't their own. If Hollywood were pushing politics that they agreed with, a lot fewer of them would care. (This does *not* mean that they're upset about anything that they're opposed to.)

That's what I said in that first post.



the-pi-guy said:
BFR said:

Pi, I agree with you 100% on the bolded part.  Why couldn't you have said this much earlier in this thread???

It's what I did say, I just said it in a different way. 

People are upset about hollywood politics, because those politics aren't their own. If Hollywood were pushing politics that they agreed with, a lot fewer of them would care. (This does *not* mean that they're upset about anything that they're opposed to.)

That's what I said in that first post.

I'm sorry, but I missed your OP.  The way I see it, Hollywood pushes both sets of politics: Ones that people agree with - like superhero movies.

As well as movies that people find reprehensible to their political/religious beliefs - like horror movies such as "The Exorcist".

Just my 2 cents.



KLXVER said:

Millions of people watch true crime about serial killers as well. Whats YOUR point? 

I was saying that it would be depressing playing a game like that and it seems like many others agree, so they just watched it on Youtube instead of playing it themselves.

If you want to prove the existence of something, you only need 1.

14,000 people were interested in that game. That's even more than I expected.

Pointing out that most people weren't interested is not a rebuttal to those 14,000 people existing. 

If someone wants to show unicorns exist, they only need to find 1 unicorn. Saying "yeah, but there's 60 million horses in the world" wouldn't change the unicorn existing or not.