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Ryuu96 said:
SanAndreasX said:

So unless eight PPP members find a conscience and a set of balls, Yoon is going to get off scot-free.

That's not a victory for democracy.

We'll have to wait for the vote, the leader of the PPP came out strongly against the martial law, voted to lift it and shook the hand of the Democratic Party leader afterwards, it seems like the military were almost entirely against it and the public were furious, so whoever doesn't vote to impeach him will be at risk next election, especially since PPP only recently suffered a huge defeat on the back of the hugely unpopular Yoon.

But maybe they want to commit career suicide.

Presidential republics should really have set the bar for conviction in an impeachment trial a lot lower. There's no reason it should take 67 percent of a legislative body to remove a president. At most it should be 60 percent. I get why they want to set the bar high enough to discourage politically-motivated turnover, but I would rather see a few more impeached and removed presidents than to have people who are demonstrably unfit for office skate on party lines. 



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BREAKING NEWS: The impeachment vote of South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol, following his shocking martial law decree that stunned the nation, has FAILED.

105 of 108 of his party's lawmakers boycotted the vote and the National Assembly didn't meet the threshold to pass the motion.

— Michelle Ye Hee Lee (@myhlee.bsky.social) 7 December 2024 at 12:27

The impeachment failed, once again, a bunch of traitorous party over country and cowardly Conservatives, I was wrong in thinking it would pass because South Korea has impeached and arrested former Presidents before. However I strongly believe this will massively backfire on them, the PPP already suffered a battering in the most recent election and Yoon is very unpopular, also South Koreans seem a lot more angry about bullshit like this, just look at the size of the crowds in support of impeaching Yoon.

20,000 people outside of the PPP's office.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 07 December 2024

Presidential republics such as are common in the Americas and in Asian countries in the US sphere of influence make it far too easy to protect criminals and dictators.



Couple of notable updates.

- South Korea Imposes Travel Ban on President Over Martial Law Declaration

- South Korea’s Ex-Defence Minister Attempts To Take His Own Life After Arrest

- Presidential Office Raided

- PPP Not Expected To Boycott Next Vote

- South Korean Police Place Two Chiefs Under Arrest

The ruling party's Han Ji-ah becomes the 7th People Power Party lawmaker to back Yoon impeachment. With 192 opposition votes secured, only 1 more PPP vote needed to reach 200 threshold for impeachment at Saturday's vote, assuming none back out. www.yna.co.kr/view/AKR2024...

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— Raphael Rashid (@koryodynasty.bsky.social) 12 December 2024 at 07:43

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Ryuu96 said:

Couple of notable updates.

- South Korea Imposes Travel Ban on President Over Martial Law Declaration

- South Korea’s Ex-Defence Minister Attempts To Take His Own Life After Arrest

- Presidential Office Raided

- PPP Not Expected To Boycott Next Vote

- South Korean Police Place Two Chiefs Under Arrest

The ruling party's Han Ji-ah becomes the 7th People Power Party lawmaker to back Yoon impeachment. With 192 opposition votes secured, only 1 more PPP vote needed to reach 200 threshold for impeachment at Saturday's vote, assuming none back out. www.yna.co.kr/view/AKR2024...

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— Raphael Rashid (@koryodynasty.bsky.social) 12 December 2024 at 07:43

It's still discouraging that she's only the seventh person out of her party to cross over. Like I said, it should take no more than 55-60 percent of a legislative body to remove a president from office.  Maybe parties would be less willing to show that kind of solidarity if it didn't take a small minority to protect the president.



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Wman1996 said:

Foreshadowing for the USA in January 2025?

Ryuu96 said:
Wman1996 said:

Foreshadowing for the USA in January 2025?

More like 2020 except this time the President of the country will be arrested.

South Korea I like to keep up with reasonably well in part because I feel like their political trajectory is running a couple two or three years ahead of ours. Many things that happen there, similar things wind up happening here at a two or three year delay these days.

I see our election this year as having certain defining parallels to the 2022 presidential election in South Korea that elected Yoon Suk-Yeol. President Yoon Suk won by running on an anti-feminist message calling for the Ministry of Gender Equality to be closed. He was eventually joined in this call by his liberal opponent, so effective was this message at the time, and won by less than one percent of the vote. He's since proven extremely unpopular. Besides trying (and so far failing) to close the Gender Equality Ministry, he and his party of the working class have also tried to increase the legal work week from 52 hours to 69 and force through an deeply unpopular health care reform that's prompted the country's doctors to go on strike recently. His party got crushed in a landslide in this year's midterm parliamentary elections and Yoon has more recently been caught up in a financial scandal that's seen his job approval rating tank further to around 20% (which makes Joe Biden look like a rock star by comparison at just below 40% here) and he was facing an impeachment probe. That was the context here. Then he declared martial law, closing the parliament and banning opposing parties, seizing the media and placing it under military control, and suspending all human rights like a real man. He explained that "pro-North Korean" forces were supposedly infiltrating the country, and so decided to turn his country into a military police state pretty much exactly like North Korea. I'm almost surprised this coup attempt failed because those things never fail in the 21st century. I was shocked that the democratic forces actually won and got the parliament and human rights back. Of course, he managed to survive the impeachment vote because most of his party boycotted the vote, but large, sustained protests are raising the prospect that the next impeachment vote will be successful.

The parallel between Korea 2022 and us here in 2024 lies in that Trump just defeated a woman specifically by leaning into male identity politics, going after the young male vote with his podcast tour, and it worked, with him winning by a narrow 1.5% of the vote (49.9% to 48.4%). And frankly, I fully expect something analogous to a declaration of martial law to happen in the next several years, certainly before Trump leaves office. I expect something like this: the Democrats perhaps regain the House in the midterms after the Republicans try to close the Department of Education (or something like that). Then investigations of some kind start. Then, sensing like the walls are closing in on him or something, he, in desperation, makes his move. The question is, does it work? That's what I'm watching South Korea for for clues as to what to expect. What I'm getting out of it so far is that perhaps not all is yet lost. Maybe this is evidence that political gravity still exists...somewhere.

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He Has Been Impeached

#SouthKorea #BreakingNews
The #impeachment motion was just passed with 204 votes in favor. Great job, everyone. 🕯️ We did it!

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— Heesoo Jang (@heesoojang.bsky.social) 14 December 2024 at 08:04

  • 204 For
  • 85 Against
  • 3 Abstain
  • 8 Invalid
Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 14 December 2024

Country Over Party.

Happy for South Koreans.



South Korean officials attempted to serve a warrant on Yoon only to be turned away by 200 armed members of the SK equivalent of the Secret Service.

Meanwhile, Yoon’s supporters are taking a leaf from the Trump book and chanting “stop the steal.” They’re also begging Trump to intervene on Yoon’s behalf. Reuters

South Korea is not out of the woods, yet. 

Last edited by SanAndreasX - on 04 January 2025