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firebush03 2 days ago

man im so excited to see Nintendo Switch claim that top spot as best selling vg console of all time after a little over a decade of PS2 dominance. :) What an achievement. Well deserved!



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Otter 2 days ago
Hardstuck-Platinum said:
V-r0cK said:

All Sony did really was create wires to hook up to TV (and optional dock) just like every mobile/portable device would have. DS3 was already created for PS3 so with the PSP already having bluetooth in mind, it was a simple matter of connecting them together. Sony hardly invested much at all into the PSP to connect to TV that wasn't already established because it wasn't a feature they were focusing on. It was called "PS Portable" because that was the feature they were focusing on.

Are you also going to say Laptops are also home consoles? For a long time laptops had, and still has, the capabilities of connecting to TV too.  Hook that up, load up Steam or emulators with a controller and it does just the same.

No of course I wouldn't. It's simple, anything with a battery and a screen is a portable console/device and anything that doesn't have battery or screen is a home console/device. To the people on here though, the switch can be considered a home console because it connects to a TV and plays games. Well by that logic, phones are consoles, laptops are consoles and the PSP was a console. 

Also, the PSP 1.0 didn't have the feature. Sony DID invest in the feature for the later models, and I'm sure if they invested in it, they intended for it to be used. 

You'll be glad to hear all modern consoles have at least one internal battery :D

And a home console can have a screen and portable power supply (PS One)

But in spite of your insistence, there is no industry objection to a home console having portable functionality. These are not scientific particles, they're consumer electronics where the definitions are industry terms defined by function and intention. A home console is called so because its designed to be played at home, connected to a display in a living room setting. A portable console is called so because it is designed to play on the go. A device can be designed with both of these functions in mind and meet both criteria. Just as a console can double as DVD player. 

The real question is where is the meaning in forcing a binary distinction, what is the end-game/value in that? 



Otter 2 days ago

PS2 is no longer the best selling game console of all time because it's actually a DVD player :')



Hiku 2 days ago
SuperJortendo said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

I know, but it doesn't matter what it's "sold as". Just because Sony didn't show the feature as a selling point to the consumers, doesn't mean it can be discounted as having the same feature as the switch

How about the fact that the Switch can be played on the TV out of the box with no add ons needed?

KLXVER said:

The first PSP model couldnt play games on a TV. Its a handheld that they with later models made able to connect to a TV. The Switch was made with that in mind.

My thoughts are along these lines as well.
Considering what they made consumers purchase the systems for.

Nintendo made conscious efforts to make Switch function in every way a standard console does, out of the box. Down to the detachable joycons that can be turned into a standard controller.

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Hardstuck-Platinum 2 days ago
Otter said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

No of course I wouldn't. It's simple, anything with a battery and a screen is a portable console/device and anything that doesn't have battery or screen is a home console/device. To the people on here though, the switch can be considered a home console because it connects to a TV and plays games. Well by that logic, phones are consoles, laptops are consoles and the PSP was a console. 

Also, the PSP 1.0 didn't have the feature. Sony DID invest in the feature for the later models, and I'm sure if they invested in it, they intended for it to be used. 

You'll be glad to hear all modern consoles have at least one internal battery :D

And a home console can have a screen and portable power supply (PS One)

But in spite of your insistence, there is no industry objection to a home console having portable functionality. These are not scientific particles, they're consumer electronics where the definitions are industry terms defined by function and intention. A home console is called so because its designed to be played at home, connected to a display in a living room setting. A portable console is called so because it is designed to play on the go. A device can be designed with both of these functions in mind and meet both criteria. Just as a console can double as DVD player. 

The real question is where is the meaning in forcing a binary distinction, what is the end-game/value in that? 

Your basically saying that it's the INTENTION behind the design that matters most. It doesn't matter what Nintendo intended the switch to be used for, docked or handheld. A docking station pass through box does not transform a handheld into a console, regardless of intention. Distinctions are important in life. Man/Women. Cat/Dog. Car/bike. We need to be able to put things into the right categories and that is just part of life



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Otter 2 days ago
Hardstuck-Platinum said:
Otter said:

You'll be glad to hear all modern consoles have at least one internal battery :D

And a home console can have a screen and portable power supply (PS One)

But in spite of your insistence, there is no industry objection to a home console having portable functionality. These are not scientific particles, they're consumer electronics where the definitions are industry terms defined by function and intention. A home console is called so because its designed to be played at home, connected to a display in a living room setting. A portable console is called so because it is designed to play on the go. A device can be designed with both of these functions in mind and meet both criteria. Just as a console can double as DVD player. 

The real question is where is the meaning in forcing a binary distinction, what is the end-game/value in that? 

Your basically saying that it's the INTENTION behind the design that matters most. It doesn't matter what Nintendo intended the switch to be used for, docked or handheld. A docking station pass through box does not transform a handheld into a console, regardless of intention. Distinctions are important in life. Man/Women. Cat/Dog. Car/bike. We need to be able to put things into the right categories and that is just part of life

Intention and function. And not all definitions are mutually exclusive. If you asked a industry expert what the cheapest Blu-ray player in 2006, they would of said a PS3. 

If you were working in a shop and a parent asked you what home console they should get for their family living room, you'd be crazy not to offer Switch as an option. You couldn't offer the DS or PSP because they are not built with that function in mind. I hope this helps :D



Hiku 2 days ago
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Your basically saying that it's the INTENTION behind the design that matters most. It doesn't matter what Nintendo intended the switch to be used for, docked or handheld. A docking station pass through box does not transform a handheld into a console, regardless of intention. Distinctions are important in life.

Since I'm of a similar mindset, I'm wondering why you think Switch isn't a console? 

I've glanced back at some of your posts to find your definition, but rather than saying why something isn't console, you seem to be explaining why something is a handheld.

But what makes PS4 a console? And is Switch lacking that?

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Hardstuck-Platinum 2 days ago
Otter said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Your basically saying that it's the INTENTION behind the design that matters most. It doesn't matter what Nintendo intended the switch to be used for, docked or handheld. A docking station pass through box does not transform a handheld into a console, regardless of intention. Distinctions are important in life. Man/Women. Cat/Dog. Car/bike. We need to be able to put things into the right categories and that is just part of life

Intention and function. And not all definitions are mutually exclusive. If you asked a industry expert what the cheapest Blu-ray player in 2006, they would of said a PS3. 

If you were working in a shop and a parent asked you what home console they should get for their family living room, you'd be crazy not to offer Switch as an option. You couldn't offer the DS or PSP because they are not built with that function in mind. I hope this helps :D

You think the Blu-Ray example is comparable but it isn't as PS3 games came on Blu-Ray. It literally had to read Blu-Rays to function as a console. Without Blu-Ray PS3 doesn't function, but without the docking station the switch still functions.  



SuperJortendo 2 days ago
Hardstuck-Platinum said:
Otter said:

You'll be glad to hear all modern consoles have at least one internal battery :D

And a home console can have a screen and portable power supply (PS One)

But in spite of your insistence, there is no industry objection to a home console having portable functionality. These are not scientific particles, they're consumer electronics where the definitions are industry terms defined by function and intention. A home console is called so because its designed to be played at home, connected to a display in a living room setting. A portable console is called so because it is designed to play on the go. A device can be designed with both of these functions in mind and meet both criteria. Just as a console can double as DVD player. 

The real question is where is the meaning in forcing a binary distinction, what is the end-game/value in that? 

Your basically saying that it's the INTENTION behind the design that matters most. It doesn't matter what Nintendo intended the switch to be used for, docked or handheld. A docking station pass through box does not transform a handheld into a console, regardless of intention. Distinctions are important in life. Man/Women. Cat/Dog. Car/bike. We need to be able to put things into the right categories and that is just part 

Thank you Hiku! Anyway, here are some images to counter your argument, Hardstuck.

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Hardstuck-Platinum 2 days ago
Hiku said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Your basically saying that it's the INTENTION behind the design that matters most. It doesn't matter what Nintendo intended the switch to be used for, docked or handheld. A docking station pass through box does not transform a handheld into a console, regardless of intention. Distinctions are important in life.

Since I'm of a similar mindset, I'm wondering why you think Switch isn't a console? 

I've glanced back at some of your posts to find your definition, but rather than saying why something isn't console, you seem to be explaining why something is a handheld.

But what makes PS4 a console? And is Switch lacking that?

Ok. The PS4 has a high power draw and a design that shows it clearly is meant to sit stationary and be powered off of the wall. The switch has a low power draw and that means it's primary function is that of a handheld.