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Hardstuck-Platinum said:
Doctor_MG said:

Okay, so I'm going to stop arguing here because now you're just completely inconsistent. First you say that the function matters so much that what it is marketed as doesn't matter at all. Meanwhile, in the second paragraph you then suggest the Switch having the ability to be docked (a function) doesn't matter at all because it's not "integral" enough to the experience. 

So PSP can count because of the same reason Switch doesn't? Pick one.  

Neither of them count, that's my point.  Having something on a dock isn't a function. Even if you just leave the switch in the dock with no power and not being used, the switch is technically docked. A dock is just something that something else sits in. The dock itself doesn't function, without the Switch it can't do anything. It's like connecting your phone/ laptop to a TV and then giving 50% of credit to the cable.  

It does add USB ports so you can use multiple wired controllers, it also adds HDMI port that the system itself doesn't have. 

I don't think the dock is supposed to do anything without the Switch, what's at the heart of the matter, is what more you can do with the Switch when it's docked. 



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Doctor_MG said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Neither of them count, that's my point.  Having something on a dock isn't a function. Even if you just leave the switch in the dock with no power and not being used, the switch is technically docked. A dock is just something that something else sits in. The dock itself doesn't function, without the Switch it can't do anything. It's like connecting your phone/ laptop to a TV and then giving 50% of credit to the cable.  

Maybe it doesn't count for you, but it counts for me and just about everyone else. 

well I think the truth is what matters not perception, but you are free to perceive things how you want of course. 

RolStoppable said:

What makes Switch a functional home console isn't just that you can connect the device to a TV, it's that you do not lose a single feature of a Nintendo home console with it. That's why calling Switch a hybrid console is the correct way to go about it, whereas only the Switch Lite is a handheld console. Switch works well as both a home console and a handheld console, something we've never seen before.

Then you look at the PSP and can easily recognize that it absolutely does not compare favorably to the PS3. The PSP doesn't have the graphics, it doesn't have the multiplayer features, and most importantly, it doesn't even have the games. Pretty much every big Sony game was exclusive to the PS3. The PSP is merely a handheld that could connect to the TV, hence why back in the day nobody ever asked if this one feature suddenly made the PSP a home console or work akin to one.

You might as well make a thread to ask if the Super Game Boy turned Game Boy games into home console games because the SNES accessory made these games playable on a TV, because that's just as stupid as a premise as the one of this thread.

It's actually very easy to understand the difference between handheld games being played on a TV and home console games being able to be played on the go, provided you are a gamer. Just look at Switch's launch title Breath of the Wild: It clearly wasn't a handheld Zelda game.

The super Game Boy was just a SNES cartridge with a slot for Gameboy games in it. How is that even remotely comparable? A cartridge can't function alone like the PSP/Switch/Nomad/ROG ally. Truth be told though, the Super game boy is a true hybrid system. The Gameboy cartridge used the extra power of the Snes to enhance it's games. That is what proper hybrid technology looks like, and I don't know why that concept is so hard for people to grasp. The Switch dock is just a phoney piece of plastic compared to the Super Game Boy. 



Hardstuck-Platinum said:

well I think the truth is what matters not perception, but you are free to perceive things how you want of course. 

The super Game Boy was just a SNES cartridge with a slot for Gameboy games in it. How is that even remotely comparable? A cartridge can't function alone like the PSP/Switch/Nomad/ROG ally. Truth be told though, the Super game boy is a true hybrid system. The Gameboy cartridge used the extra power of the Snes to enhance it's games. That is what proper hybrid technology looks like, and I don't know why that concept is so hard for people to grasp. The Switch dock is just a phoney piece of plastic compared to the Super Game Boy. 

I think this thread pretty much shows that nearly everyone thinks the Switch counts as both a home console and a portable console.  There seems to be some consensus that PSP wasn't ever sold as a home console, although there was an adaptor (crucially: sold separately) that could connect it to a TV.

Obviously I'd argue that with modern portable hardware being so good, the distinction is no longer as relevant as it was when the choice was GameBoy or SNES.  So probably one of the models of iPhone is the best selling console ever...

Whether a "hybrid console" needs more than a plastic dock is a slightly more interesting question.... If you're going to add more chips, they'll always be put into the portable section of the device - even if they are switched off in portable mode.  So I don't think there will ever be a hybrid console that fits that definition.



OneTime said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

well I think the truth is what matters not perception, but you are free to perceive things how you want of course. 

The super Game Boy was just a SNES cartridge with a slot for Gameboy games in it. How is that even remotely comparable? A cartridge can't function alone like the PSP/Switch/Nomad/ROG ally. Truth be told though, the Super game boy is a true hybrid system. The Gameboy cartridge used the extra power of the Snes to enhance it's games. That is what proper hybrid technology looks like, and I don't know why that concept is so hard for people to grasp. The Switch dock is just a phoney piece of plastic compared to the Super Game Boy. 

I think this thread pretty much shows that nearly everyone thinks the Switch counts as both a home console and a portable console.  There seems to be some consensus that PSP wasn't ever sold as a home console, although there was an adaptor (crucially: sold separately) that could connect it to a TV.

Obviously I'd argue that with modern portable hardware being so good, the distinction is no longer as relevant as it was when the choice was GameBoy or SNES.  So probably one of the models of iPhone is the best selling console ever...

Whether a "hybrid console" needs more than a plastic dock is a slightly more interesting question.... If you're going to add more chips, they'll always be put into the portable section of the device - even if they are switched off in portable mode.  So I don't think there will ever be a hybrid console that fits that definition.

I can see that, but I'm arguing that the people here are viewing the Switch the same way a Russian views a baseball bat. Baseball bats are really only perceived and used as weapons by everyone in Russia as they don't play baseball, but it doesn't change that it's still just a bat for playing baseball. Being in the minority isn't a reason to be quiet. 

Phones aren't competing with consoles, Sony's stock suffered the most when the 360 was beating them, which was another console. you could argue phones compete with handhelds however. 

Never be one that fits that definition? They already exist. PC's and laptops in the past a feature where you could connect an external graphics cards to them via a cable and they would work in conjunction with them.   You can even use a wifi port I think. How hard would it be to allow people to connect a graphics card to a future switch dock?



Here is what separates NOMAD from a PSP: You can use it for two players. NOMAD also has the cables bundled inside to play on TV. PSP did not have either.



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bdbdbd said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Neither of them count, that's my point.  Having something on a dock isn't a function. Even if you just leave the switch in the dock with no power and not being used, the switch is technically docked. A dock is just something that something else sits in. The dock itself doesn't function, without the Switch it can't do anything. It's like connecting your phone/ laptop to a TV and then giving 50% of credit to the cable.  

It does add USB ports so you can use multiple wired controllers, it also adds HDMI port that the system itself doesn't have. 

I don't think the dock is supposed to do anything without the Switch, what's at the heart of the matter, is what more you can do with the Switch when it's docked. 

Well according Leynos here the Nomad had an port for a controller too. That port could probably only be used for 2 player on the TV. Does it really matter if the ports are on the dock or on the handheld itself?

Leynos said:

Here is what separates NOMAD from a PSP: You can use it for two players. NOMAD also has the cables bundled inside to play on TV. PSP did not have either.

All this does is help prove my point though. The Nomad is an even better version of the PSP argument I'm putting forward. The Nomad has special features built into it that allows it to function not just as a handheld, but because of that extra controller port, even better as a console. Is that your Nomad btw?

Last edited by Hardstuck-Platinum - on 04 December 2024

You still haven't addressed whether the Switch Lite is a home console because it can be played on a TV.

Also I can't remember if I or anyone else has brought up the fact that the second "P" is "PSP" stands for portable. That kinda makes me think the entire premise of this thread is misinformed



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SuperJortendo said:

You still haven't addressed whether the Switch Lite is a home console because it can be played on a TV.

Also I can't remember if I or anyone else has brought up the fact that the second "P" is "PSP" stands for portable. That kinda makes me think the entire premise of this thread is misinformed

Switch lite cannot connect to a TV. Not just because of no dock but its hardware is perm clocked for portable only.



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Leynos said:
SuperJortendo said:

You still haven't addressed whether the Switch Lite is a home console because it can be played on a TV.

Also I can't remember if I or anyone else has brought up the fact that the second "P" is "PSP" stands for portable. That kinda makes me think the entire premise of this thread is misinformed

Switch lite cannot connect to a TV. Not just because of no dock but its hardware is perm clocked for portable only.

It can connect to a TV, it's just a convoluted mess. I don't consider the Switch Lite a home console, btw. Just like I don't consider the PSP a home console, but I do consider the OG Switch one. 



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SuperJortendo said:
Leynos said:

Switch lite cannot connect to a TV. Not just because of no dock but its hardware is perm clocked for portable only.

It can connect to a TV, it's just a convoluted mess. I don't consider the Switch Lite a home console, btw. Just like I don't consider the PSP a home console, but I do consider the OG Switch one. 

How? It has no connection to a TV, and the chip is underclocked to run only in portable mode. Even when taking apart a Switch lite, there is nowhere on the board where a connection can be made.



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