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IcaroRibeiro said:
LegitHyperbole said:

Yeah but I suppose the argument is that they are mobile devices that are separate. When they started off they weren't exactly vlose to computers but as their hardware and software has progressed the sentiment around them hasn't. 

Old electronic cell phones (and it's important to make this distinction) were also computers. Software-wise, they were what we call embedded systems, specialized computers designed for dedicated functions. However, they were not personal computers because personal computers have operating systems designed for general-purpose use, not a single dedicated function. Some old cellphones "blurred" the lines between PCs and cellphones, phones running Symbian OS or BlackBerry OS had limited general-purpose features, including app installations


Smartphones, on the other hand, are unequivocally personal computers. There’s no debate about it. They are versatile devices with fully-fledged operating systems (Android being largely based on Linux core, but lacking a GNU and standard POSIX or Linux APIs) capable of handling a wide range of tasks, just like traditional personal computers. You may argue they are particular category of a personal computers, because they feature portability and touch-screen, but so are laptops relative to stationary home computers.

Actually, Nokia marketed it's Symbian devices as mobile computers.



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Hardstuck-Platinum said:
EricHiggin said:

So you're saying the PS5 Portal makes the PS5 a handheld or hybrid? It doesn't come with the PS5 but it works with it to allow you to play PS5 games away from your tv or console.

Not enough of a distance? What if someone buys a separate range extender for their wireless router so they can game from another building down the street? Sounds mobile enough then to me.

Whether Nin went to the trouble of housing everything in the main body or not, using a cable or wireless adapter to connect to the tv, it still does so out of the box. Switch Lite shouldn't count technically, but since all Switch sales are combined, there's really nothing you can do but accept it as part of the total.

We're talking about single functioning products here. With your example it reads like, Is a motorbike a boat just because it can fit on one and be sailed around? no of course not. The PS portal is not a single functioning product so it is irrelevant. Cables do not count as single functioning products, they just count as part of the package of a single functioning product. Your saying we can't include the PSP with the Switch because it requires a cable and the cable is another product entirely. A cable is not a single functioning product and can not detract from the fact that the PSP can connect/be played on a TV in exactly the same way a switch can  

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The PSP does what the Switch does as a home console only in the sense that it can be played on a TV. And even then, it's only later models that are able to do so with an extra peripheral, and it's still lacking everything else most people consider important in a home console experience.

It doesn't have the ability to connect multiple controllers. There will be no local multi-player unless someone else brings their own PSP and you play on wifi or something. If you have the cable to connect the PSP to the TV and don't have any wireless controllers then you can only use the PSP as a controller, which is connected to a short cable to the TV. Not a comfortable experience. 

I'm sure there are other reasons I can't think of right now, but this debate is so pointless. Lol. Happy Thanksgiving everybody who celebrates it



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Indeed, just look at the software. Theres not a single game for psp that support multiple controllers for a local multiplayer experience, wich we can only have on home consoles. Split screen? None. Would you tell that Just dance and fit games can be played on handhelds?

And talking about controllers, theres isnt a controller exclusively made to sync on a psp

But i already said that in many threads with the same subject. It's pointless to bring sense to this discussion

Yeah, Switch lite is a handheld only, but i already pointed here that if theres will, all home consoles can be turned as portables. They will be the same system but under a different funcionality.

It doesnt exclude that only Switch can transicionate of a full fledged home console to a handheld seamless, if we cant say that's hybrid i don't know how else we could classify this, bc a handheld with a cable that connects to TV it aint

It's about time that people can evolve the idea that home console videogames characteristic is just not be a handheld 

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SuperJortendo said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

We're talking about single functioning products here. With your example it reads like, Is a motorbike a boat just because it can fit on one and be sailed around? no of course not. The PS portal is not a single functioning product so it is irrelevant. Cables do not count as single functioning products, they just count as part of the package of a single functioning product. Your saying we can't include the PSP with the Switch because it requires a cable and the cable is another product entirely. A cable is not a single functioning product and can not detract from the fact that the PSP can connect/be played on a TV in exactly the same way a switch can  

I'm going to say this again for the last time then I'm gonna try to enjoy Thanksgiving and pretend you don't exist for a day or two.

The PSP does what the Switch does as a home console only in the sense that it can be played on a TV. And even then, it's only later models that are able to do so with an extra peripheral, and it's still lacking everything else most people consider important in a home console experience.

It doesn't have the ability to connect multiple controllers. There will be no local multi-player unless someone else brings their own PSP and you play on wifi or something. If you have the cable to connect the PSP to the TV and don't have any wireless controllers then you can only use the PSP as a controller, which is connected to a short cable to the TV. Not a comfortable experience. 

I'm sure there are other reasons I can't think of right now, but this debate is so pointless. Lol. Happy Thanksgiving everybody who celebrates it

So now we're using multiple controllers and local multiplayer to define what makes a handheld into a home console hybrid. Well according to my research, most Philips CDi systems did not launch with multiplayer ports or support local multiplayer, only some newer models did. Do we just disqualify most Philips cdi's from existence as home consoles because they didn't support multiple controllers and have local mutiplayer? No, of course not. That would be silly



Hardstuck-Platinum said:
SuperJortendo said:

I'm going to say this again for the last time then I'm gonna try to enjoy Thanksgiving and pretend you don't exist for a day or two.

The PSP does what the Switch does as a home console only in the sense that it can be played on a TV. And even then, it's only later models that are able to do so with an extra peripheral, and it's still lacking everything else most people consider important in a home console experience.

It doesn't have the ability to connect multiple controllers. There will be no local multi-player unless someone else brings their own PSP and you play on wifi or something. If you have the cable to connect the PSP to the TV and don't have any wireless controllers then you can only use the PSP as a controller, which is connected to a short cable to the TV. Not a comfortable experience. 

I'm sure there are other reasons I can't think of right now, but this debate is so pointless. Lol. Happy Thanksgiving everybody who celebrates it

So now we're using multiple controllers and local multiplayer to define what makes a handheld into a home console hybrid. Well according to my research, most Philips CDi systems did not launch with multiplayer ports or support local multiplayer, only some newer models did. Do we just disqualify most Philips cdi's from existence as home consoles because they didn't support multiple controllers and have local mutiplayer? No, of course not. That would be silly

Yes, we actually should do that, because it wasn't even intended as a games console in the first place. Sony actually manufactured even a CD-i discman. The Philips system was Compact Disc interactive multimedia player. It did have games, but games clearly wasn't how the system was intended to be used.



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bdbdbd said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

So now we're using multiple controllers and local multiplayer to define what makes a handheld into a home console hybrid. Well according to my research, most Philips CDi systems did not launch with multiplayer ports or support local multiplayer, only some newer models did. Do we just disqualify most Philips cdi's from existence as home consoles because they didn't support multiple controllers and have local mutiplayer? No, of course not. That would be silly

Yes, we actually should do that, because it wasn't even intended as a games console in the first place. Sony actually manufactured even a CD-i discman. The Philips system was Compact Disc interactive multimedia player. It did have games, but games clearly wasn't how the system was intended to be used.

It's classified as a home console. All the collectors who have them, have them as consoles. A console having a primary multimedia focus doesn't disqualify it from console status. Intention doesn't matter, function does. Why does everyone keep thinking intention overrides function. 



Hardstuck-Platinum said:
SuperJortendo said:

I'm going to say this again for the last time then I'm gonna try to enjoy Thanksgiving and pretend you don't exist for a day or two.

The PSP does what the Switch does as a home console only in the sense that it can be played on a TV. And even then, it's only later models that are able to do so with an extra peripheral, and it's still lacking everything else most people consider important in a home console experience.

It doesn't have the ability to connect multiple controllers. There will be no local multi-player unless someone else brings their own PSP and you play on wifi or something. If you have the cable to connect the PSP to the TV and don't have any wireless controllers then you can only use the PSP as a controller, which is connected to a short cable to the TV. Not a comfortable experience. 

I'm sure there are other reasons I can't think of right now, but this debate is so pointless. Lol. Happy Thanksgiving everybody who celebrates it

So now we're using multiple controllers and local multiplayer to define what makes a handheld into a home console hybrid. Well according to my research, most Philips CDi systems did not launch with multiplayer ports or support local multiplayer, only some newer models did. Do we just disqualify most Philips cdi's from existence as home consoles because they didn't support multiple controllers and have local mutiplayer? No, of course not. That would be silly

Thats because they are archaic and limited.

Its like excluding gameboy as handheld for not having touch-screen.

Again, home consoles are able to have multiple controllers to play on a single display connected to the main system.

That's why games developed with that funcionality in mind can't be ported on handhelds.

Cut the straw man

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Hardstuck-Platinum said:
bdbdbd said:

Yes, we actually should do that, because it wasn't even intended as a games console in the first place. Sony actually manufactured even a CD-i discman. The Philips system was Compact Disc interactive multimedia player. It did have games, but games clearly wasn't how the system was intended to be used.

It's classified as a home console. All the collectors who have them, have them as consoles. A console having a primary multimedia focus doesn't disqualify it from console status. Intention doesn't matter, function does. Why does everyone keep thinking intention overrides function. 

By that logic, all the game centric computers were consoles - and as many people have pointed out about Switch, it does function as home console and people are using it as such. 



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bdbdbd said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

It's classified as a home console. All the collectors who have them, have them as consoles. A console having a primary multimedia focus doesn't disqualify it from console status. Intention doesn't matter, function does. Why does everyone keep thinking intention overrides function. 

By that logic, all the game centric computers were consoles - and as many people have pointed out about Switch, it does function as home console and people are using it as such. 

Computers have operating systems and multiple uses, that's why they're in a different category. I don't see how reverse logic on my statement would mean computers would become consoles. A computer cannot function as a console because a computer cannot function without an operating system, a console can. If you want to say switch functions as a console because it can be played on a TV, then you have to say PSP and Sega nomad do as well because they can be played on TV too.  

The argument became "Switch is console hybrid because of multiple controllers and local multiplayer, and PSP and nomad can't do that". Well if not having that means your not a console, the majority of all CD-I's out there don't classify as consoles. 



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