I'll send you that in a bit and will respond to this reply there.

Speaking of people no longer here, what happened to that thevideogameninja?

I said we need to move this elsewhere because this is off-topic but I feel I need to respond to this to defend the team and it is very much borderline inflammatory conspiracy theory, Lol. I'm obviously not comfortable with people openly spreading lies which can be used against the team so I will respond here.

I don't even know what thread you're talking about, no thread has been deleted, there has only been one time in VGChartz's history from what I can remember, that a thread was "deleted" due to the thread being seriously fucked up and it was a thread created way before the current mod teams time, like 10+ years ago or something like that.

The thread was likely locked, one political thread was locked (Trump vs Biden) because Biden dropped out the race and so we recreated a new thread (Trump vs Harris) and another political thread was locked (Trump's assassination) because it went massively off-topic but I even mentioned in the mod-note that I would unlock it if any extra news comes to light if people want me to.

So no thread was deleted that I'm aware of. The reason you may think that is because Talon changed how thread locking works (years ago) where when a thread is locked it is automatically dropped out of sight from the front page instead of waiting for it to drop off and likewise in the Buddy but it can still be found and accessed by normal users.

Now go back on topic, Lol.

Reset Era is just as extreme as NeoGaf but in opposite directions. Both are nutty and hypocritical. Both pretend to be outraged by something then when it's no longer convenient/trendy sing somethings praises. I know above they are referring to my in-the-heat-of-the-moment comment about wanting Repub politicians perm gone since I associate them with Nazi's.  Only place I ran into where people took issue but whatever. It's in the past. I got a week's ban. I didn't exactly repeat it over and over. Been staying out of the politics section for a while now. Also not the right topic to go into it anyway.

ALl I am saying is that they are not the bogeyman, nor are they some secret psy op. They are a group of poorly thought out political activists who seek to change the world views their way, and so far it has been met with failure and pushback.

The thing is, the world is already diverse. We already have games with PoC in them, we have plenty of games featuring femme characters, even some of them being lead characters and secondary ones. There is virtually no need to deem a "consultation" company as completely necessary, especially when you have your own focus groups and your own people researching history, topics and anything else in between. 

The need for "consultation" companies in gaming is largely propped up as if they are needed out of necessity, when they really are not. For say, a historically accurate game, you would refer to actual certified historians, not a DEI consultation company, because they are factually not at the forefront of history, nor will they ever be (historians have had that position nailed for centuries, this is not a point of contention to argue with, it is what it is).

The thing with the Wukong studio is that they so far have not denied that they were approached, especially via the fallout that occurred sometime after, and when you put together the constant and obvious smear campaigns by those allied with those "consultation" companies, it starts to become more apparent that something went down that was not of a peaceful nature, nor fully resolved. Also when you look into just how much money said "consultation" companies amass via funding from the likes of Gov's and Blackrock, it starts to form an image that they need the money from higher up sources, rather than simply making their own way (Ubisoft can do it their own way, yet they pilfered the grants from Singapore, which in turn ended up crushing that region's games industry, leaving newcomers out to dry, which is what I would classify as non beneficial to that region, much like these "consultation" firms are doing with funded/lent money).

You seem to be of a stance that you want to justify calling people insane, I'm sure you have justifications for that to say it openly, right?. 

Again, I'll say it one more time. I do not take kindly to being told how to think, and your questioning of evidence to knowingly toss it aside (I know exactly how this works, I'm not stupid, and it comes off as an insult to me when the onus is on you, not me, you're calling anyone against DEI firms insane, that's on you entirely) is not of good faith.

If you have nothing more to say other than alluding to justifying an insult, I'd suggest not doing so and leave it at that.

The corporate DEI boom only came about because analysts and consulting firms released reports convincing the business world that "the modern audience" was taking over and catering to it would make them a lot of money while protecting them from cancel culture and negative press from the media. This was partially done by demonstrating that some of the most successful businesses in the world had already embraced DEI while forgetting that correlation does not equal causation and that at least some of these companies went full DEI well after they were already successful.

Reality turned out to be quite a bit different than they were told, which is why so many businesses are reducing DEI initiatives or axing them entirely. Though, in their defense, many of them exist in a bubble where they think California represents the world, plus it took awhile before all sides were able to weaponize social media properly. Now, hilariously, they both use economic intimidation and misinformation tactics while also complaining vehemently about what the other side is doing.

It also turns out that many non-English speaking countries didn't get the original memo or don't give a rat's ass about it if they did.

Relative to games specifically, so many studios and publishers have forgotten one very important fact--most people don't like being preached at, especially not by condescending pricks who have only ever experienced a very narrow slice of the world. You can use the elements themselves and people won't care--The Fallout series had female and PoC main characters and it was praised by pretty much everyone--but if you try to shove your religion down their throat then they're going to resist.