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RolStoppable said:
Vinther1991 said:

Folks, please help me! How are you even supposed to respond to a comment like that? ^^^

You tell him that he has a drinking problem. It's honest and true, so it's the morally right thing to do.

We all have problems.  Hopefully, the forum can be supportive and give the right amount of encouragement for this.  I haven't been a buddy of BFR for a long time, and i've only known him from the Ukraine thread on here.  If there is anybody that knows him a little better or is friends irl, i'd encourage them to check up on their buddy and make sure he is getting some help.

In my own life, i know a similar case.  My girlfriend has a buddy that has had this slow downward spiral from alchoholism, and in an impulsive moment leaned over and kissed her.  So we can't talk to that guy anymore.  He'll probably drink himself to death unfortunately, but we can't allow this. 



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BFR said:

I only added in FB at the end of the post in reply to him saying:  "If you ignore right wing radio, and right wing internet media."

FB is left wing social media.

Facebook ownership is liberal, but a lot of these algorithms favor spreading right wing content. Probably because it tends to cause outrage. 

Even banning conservatives can create more engagement, because then they come back and complain about how they were banned. 

BFR said:

Really? Well here's a true story for you.  Back in February 2021, I good friend of mine, who is also a die hard MAGA fanboy, hosted an 18th birthday party for his only daughter.  However, I did not see his mass FB invite until the week after the party.  Whereas I got all of his previous FB invites to other parties.

My best explanation is that FB suppressed the invite because they did want to promote mass gatherings while Covid was still rampant.

Am I still lying?

If you're joking, I apologize. I guess it's not my kind of humor. 

If you're being serious, this post is the embodiment of "Everything is a conspiracy when you don't know how anything works."


I legitimately am struggling to come up with a good response, because of how little sense this post makes to me. It's so detached from how complicated literally everything in the world is.

Here's another unprovable anecdote.

I've argued on several of my friend's post with one of their friends. And for some reason I've had strange issues with their posts. Comments will randomly not load or disappear entirely, while I'm trying to talk to them. Only for them to load like an hour later. They don't seem to have the issue, and I've never had the issue with any other comment thread. 

My best explanation is that Facebook doesn't want me arguing with that particular conservative. 

It couldn't possibly be a random bug that props up when you're trying to run a massive website with dozens of servers on dozens of completely different types of devices; across hundreds of millions of people and literally billions of individual devices with different settings. 

Heck, last week I just saw a bug where the number of likes was written as 11.2000000000000K instead of just 11.2K as it would normally be written on a Star Trek post. Do you think Facebook is trying to make people think that Star Trek post is more popular than it really is? 

I frequently had issues where Facebook calls wouldn't go through to the right device.

It's practically a miracle Facebook works as well as it does. 

The world in general is crazy complicated, and your best explanation is probably complete nonsense, unless you've spent years studying the subject or at the very least listening to someone who has done that work. 



the-pi-guy said:
BFR said:

I only added in FB at the end of the post in reply to him saying:  "If you ignore right wing radio, and right wing internet media."

FB is left wing social media.

Facebook ownership is liberal, but a lot of these algorithms favor spreading right wing content. Probably because it tends to cause outrage. 

Even banning conservatives can create more engagement, because then they come back and complain about how they were banned. 

Zucc literally voted for Trump. He's been sucking him off since the assassination attempt. 



No one here can say they know what goes on at Facebook. Perhaps it was a glitch. But, the timing of it makes me suspicious.
Like I said, I got all my friend's FB invites on time for parties before that Feb 2021 one, and I even got the FB invite to her HS graduation party for that summer.

I'm just curious if any other forum member has had a similar experience with FB in the time frame of early 2021.

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BFR said:

No one here can say they know what goes on at Facebook. Perhaps it was a glitch. But, the timing of it makes me suspicious.
Like I said, I got all my friend's FB invites on time for parties before that Feb 2021 one, and I even got the FB invite to her HS graduation party for that summer.

I'm just curious if any other forum member has had a similar experience.

My experience has been the opposite. Every few months for the past few years, my timeline gets floooded with ads for PragerU, right-wing religious organizations, and conservative business orgs, and these ads are loaded with a lot of right wing buzzwords and basically calling people like me enemies of the country. I spend two days blocking ads, reporting ads for false info, and otherwise cleaning up my timeline before the algorithm gets it that I don't want to see that shit. And of course, I see my right wing family and acquaintances spewing their hatred of liberal Americans loudly and proudly while posts from more liberal friends showing off genuine accomplishments and nice things are what are buried.  Mostly because the former group shares the same crap that they see on their own timelines. I've also reported threats of violence and naked racism only to be told that it "does not go against our community standards," but I suggested that Liz Cheney should have slapped Jim Jordan when he grabbed her during January 6, and got handed a 30 day ban.



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BFR said:

No one here can say they know what goes on at Facebook. Perhaps it was a glitch. 

No, but I know how software and hardware work, and considering there are literally dozens of very likely reasons, jumping to a conclusion like that makes very little sense.

BFR said:

But, the timing of it makes me suspicious.
Like I said, I got all my friend's FB invites on time for parties before that Feb 2021 one, and I even got the FB invite to her HS graduation party for that summer.

I'm just curious if any other forum member has had a similar experience.

Your timing is like 7 months after the last shut downs ended.

One "suspicious" instance isn't enough information to come to any kind of conclusion. 



My posts have nothing to do with shutdowns. It's about the time before the vaccine was widely available and we were told by the gov't to mask up and practice social distancing. People attending parties are not practicing social distancing and are less likely to wear a mask.

Did Facebook at any time dissuade people from attending social gatherings during the Covid times? Based on an experience of mine during that time, I believe they possibly did. Of course, that is only my opinion.

Last edited by BFR - on 19 November 2024

Interesting.

Facebook removes events that push people to defy social distancing orders

Events that ignore social distancing guidelines are considered harmful misinformation.

April 20, 2020

Facebook on Monday confirmed it will remove groups and events that encourage people to defy guidance on social distancing during the coronavirus pandemic. The move comes as some Americans are using Facebook to organize protests of business shutdowns and stay-at-home orders intended to slow the spread of the virus.

In an interview on Good Morning America, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg  on Monday said events that ignore social distancing guidelines are considered harmful misinformation and will be taken down. 

https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/facebook-removes-events-that-push-people-to-defy-social-distancing-orders/



I mean FB algorithm none knows besides them. But they're track record on data for advertising isnt great. But they've fixed things now on that end.



BFR said:

My posts have nothing to do with shutdowns. It's about the time before the vaccine was widely available and we were told by the gov't to mask up and practice social distancing. People attending parties are not practicing social distancing and are less likely to wear a mask.

Did Facebook at any time dissuade people from attending social gatherings during the Covid times? Based on an experience of mine during that time, I believe they possibly did. Of course, that is only my opinion.

A big part of science is repeatability, large sample sizes, because you can't come to these kinds of conclusions based off a single event; and to remove bias. 

Find a large scale study that suggests that FB did these kinds of things or a leak of an actual FB policy.

Anecdotal evidence means less than nothing. 

BFR said:

Interesting.

Facebook removes events that push people to defy social distancing orders

Events that ignore social distancing guidelines are considered harmful misinformation.

April 20, 2020

Facebook on Monday confirmed it will remove groups and events that encourage people to defy guidance on social distancing during the coronavirus pandemic. The move comes as some Americans are using Facebook to organize protests of business shutdowns and stay-at-home orders intended to slow the spread of the virus.

In an interview on Good Morning America, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg  on Monday said events that ignore social distancing guidelines are considered harmful misinformation and will be taken down. 

https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/facebook-removes-events-that-push-people-to-defy-social-distancing-orders/

This isn't the same thing as you were claiming. FB removed a few events that were protests of social distancing, not systematically suppressing birthday invitations. 

And again, leadership being at least somewhat liberal, doesn't mean the platform itself is.