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So was it inflation that sunk Harris's bid?



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Very interesting.
https://x.com/YourAnonNews/status/1854149455064314141
How does 15m votes get deleted?



KLAMarine said:

So was it inflation that sunk Harris's bid?

I pointed out in the past that post-COVID inflation had battered incumbent parties across Europe so it was my primary concern with America, I don't see why America would be any different in that regard. Even parties that still won their elections in Europe suffered significant hits. People are hurting to afford basic goods and the party in charge receives the blame.

Hit Japan too whose economy is taking a beating lately, Japan's LDP lost their parliamentary majority for the first time since 2009. Right wing parties have swapped to left wing parties and left wing parties have swapped to right wing parties all across Europe, Lol. Tories (right wing) in the UK lost a 14 year old rule to the centre-left Labour, Poland's PiS lost power after 8 years. South Korea's liberal opposition party won a landslide majority. Incumbents are being absolutely hammered across the world, it's less a right/left thing and just who is currently in power.

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I am from Europe and don't think I made an anti trump comment =p.

Sometimes I feel like I am one of the few who gets why people would vote for Trump.

I am sure like 90% of Europeans would vote for Harris but if you asked name a thing that Harris did the last 4 years what was great they will have a hard time naming anything.  It is the typical I will say Harris because I would be ashamed to say I vote Trump cause I don't want to be called an Incel/Racist/womenhater etc..

I know it was impossible but Michelle Obama would have been a way better candidate, She seems more honest and tried to help and if she wanted to fight she did it for a good cause like fighting against obesity and more..






jason1637 said:

Very interesting.
https://x.com/YourAnonNews/status/1854149455064314141
How does 15m votes get deleted?

They say 2020 was the most secure election in history lol



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Kamala Harris is due to make her concession speech at 4 p.m. Wednesday, Newsweek understands.



I'm looking at some of the reporting about the election. As a Dutchie it always baffles me those voting results being split up by ethnic groups. It would be unthinkable here in the Netherlands.

I get it's possible to see difference in numbers by income class, age or if someone lives in a high or low population area. But it simply feels silly to me expecting people to vote by their skincolor.

To my American friends, why is it done this way?



It's so frustrating how hard it is to have a nuanced conversation about things. 

A lot of things are complicated, and a lot of things are fairly probabilistic. 

On the probabilistic part, even if an answer is ridiculously likely that's not the same thing as having the answer.

For example, it was never a 100% guarantee that the betting firms were going to be correct. If it points to a 70% chance, and you're 100% sure that it's going to turn out that way, I'm going to argue you to pull back and be 70% sure. If you're 100% sure that it was going to go the other way, I would tell you not to get your hopes up so high and pull you back to where the 70% is pointing to.

It's frustrating, people seem to like taking sides on things (on both sides). To be clear, I'm not putting this on conservatives. This is something that most people seem to struggle with. Either people don't like not knowing an answer, or they just like taking sides for the sake of taking sides. 

And stuff is complicated. It's really easy to say "Harris should have done x, y, z". People voted the way they did for all kinds of different reasons. I don't know if anything would have particularly changed if they had found someone else to run. I'm sure there are tons of different combinations of things that would have made a difference. I don't know what that difference would have actually amounted to, or what combinations would be the most effective. 

Everyone is going to make different suggestions, and a lot of those things probably would have made a change, but no one "knows" what would have worked. Unless someone has an interdimensional portal where we can peek at an identical universe where those exact things happened, or they've perfectly figured out how to simulate politics with AI, it's all going to be educated guesses. 

Personally I think it was always going to be an uphill battle, especially because people don't feel good about the economy. 

I believe that no one knows what the next 4 years are going to look like. It's largely based on educated guesses.

It could be that a lot of these terrible things that could happen, never do, because enough reasonable people push back against them.

It could also be that it ends up being worse than anyone expects. 

Or the usual complicated reality, is that it ends up being really good for some people, and really bad for others, "but that's okay because I'm not them".

And I'm not even completely sure which result terrifies me more.

Even if the next 4 years don't turn out bad, it's terrifying that a lot of guard rails are getting pulled. As in I'm terrified of a Trump 2 that follows Trump 1.

This is a big issue I've had with a lot of left wing rhetoric. Something doesn't need to be the last straw to be bad; and there's always the chance that if it doesn't end up being that bad, then people will turn on you because they think you lied to them. 

A lot of the struggles we're seeing today are the result of decades of policy changes, and propaganda. 



LegitHyperbole said:
Ryuu96 said:

I can't do that, Bandorr has the power, I don't, I'm probably not going to be Mod for very long anyway.

How do I get in contact with Bandor and why are ya giving up or what? It's not over the election is it?

Send him a PM. Anyway, a bit of a mix of reasons, it's not one specific one, just a few been building up, a little off-topic, I think I just need a long detox from both Politics and Gaming Discussion though and unfortunately, those are the two major reasons I'm even here in the first place.

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    the-pi-guy said:

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    Everyone is going to make different suggestions, and a lot of those things probably would have made a change, but no one "knows" what would have worked. Unless someone has an interdimensional portal where we can peek at an identical universe where those exact things happened, or they've perfectly figured out how to simulate politics with AI, it's all going to be educated guesses. 

    2)

    Personally I think it was always going to be an uphill battle, especially because people don't feel good about the economy. 

    3)

    This is a big issue I've had with a lot of left wing rhetoric. Something doesn't need to be the last straw to be bad; and there's always the chance that if it doesn't end up being that bad, then people will turn on you because they think you lied to them. 

    A lot of the struggles we're seeing today are the result of decades of policy changes, and propaganda. 

    1)

    Primaries. Primaries are an excellent indicator. There are people on the right who swore by DeSantis, this included big names who supported him like Ben Shapiro, and I also thought Trump is going to struggle against him, on paper, it seemed only reasonable that he would. Primaries proved DeSantis never stood a chance.

    The DNC messed up terribly, I get why people feel like there was not much that could've been differently, but we need to admit the DNC messed up. I was not happy with the way Kamala came to be the nominee, but I saw the donations, the polls, the online enthusiasm (turned to be a bubble) and I thought yeah, any candidate but Biden would do. I was terribly wrong, maybe a stress test would've made a difference. There was a way to "know" slightly more than what we know, the DNC chose not to and the democratic base had no choice but to feel and propel optimism towards Kamala, who did her job perfectly and ran a good campaign, non of this is her fault. 

    2)

    Agree, been the USA recently, I was shocked by the price at the grocery stores and fast food chains, and I live in the UK...... trust me it takes a lot for us to be shocked by prices. I should've known that Americans might be similarly shocked. 

    The problem is that a lot of this inflation is based on "price gouging" by corporations, and not based on sound economics or threatened profit margins, pure corporate greed, it's so hard to tackle this as a policy maker.

    I fucking hate corporates, this is why I was such a big fan of Lina Khan, but LOL, she is so FIRED now. I hope corporations are happy. 

    3)

    I can only agree, the media cried wolf way too many times, especially in 2016 elections and during Trump's first term, every decision and every statement he made was THE END OF THE WORLD, when a lot if not most of those decisions were a continuation of how previous administrations operated. It was just too much and I like many others developed outrage-fatigue.