Hopefully Europe stops fucking supporting America with Israel now as well. Literally no reason for us to get involved in that shit. If America is going to backstab us then why should we help them with anything, especially when we're talking about giving Israel free reign to genocide the fuck out of Palestinians.

Europe needs to build up a fortress, install an Article 5 clause into EU similar to NATO, invest massively into our own defence industries (stop buying American), a European army needs to be established, Poland should acquire their own nukes. America ain't no ally and we have to look our for ourselves now.

Macron annoys the shit out of me often but one thing he has been absolutely right about is that Europe needs to invest into itself way more and stop relying on America, France has been telling us and warning us for years, France has been the one pushing for the EU army. We ignored them because we thought America would always have our back.

5+ years ago, I was saying we should remove nukes, we should invest less in military, because there's no threat to us, I feel like an idiot, I was a naïve fool, I've gone from some peace loving "we'll be okay" to "yeah, we need to fucking get real" and I hate it but it's the reality we're in. I hate that UK has to spend massively on military over other things but that's the situation we're in. I hate that I'm advocating for more nukes but clearly nukes are the only goddamn deterrent outside of NATO so if Ukraine can't get into NATO then they need to get nukes in their lifetime.

The only comfort I can take is that Trump (78), Putin (72), Erdogan (70) have a decent chance of being dead within the next ~10 years. Trump likely sooner than the other two due to his age and weight and 4 years from now his mental ability is going to be even worse than it is now. A lot of fascists pricks will be dead in our lifetime...But they may be replaced.

The other comfort with these people, more so Putin and Erdogan, is that in becoming the supreme leaders clinging onto power, they set up no successor for themselves, when Putin dies it will be a powder keg in Russia of people backstabbing each other to get the top spot. Erdogan on the other hand, well, there were promising signs in the last election from the opposition party and Erdogan was not happy with the results, when he dies, I think there's a decent chance of the opposition claiming power.

People like Trump, they don't come around too often, these "personality" politicians, who will replace Trump that has the same "charisma" as him? As it stands right now, I don't think any of the possibilities do, MAGA has found it hard to associate themselves with any other Republican. People like Vance and DeSantis are charisma vacuums, but I worry that America is moving more right-wing.

But Trump will install a few more younger MAGA nutjobs in the Supreme Court which will damage America for years after Trump. I could see Alito and Thomas retiring to make way for a younger MAGA idiot for Trump to install in the Supreme Court...Crazy that Trump could end up installing 5 Supreme Court picks. Depending on their age, they will affect America for generations, that is what I'm more worried about.

Anyway, Ukraine should assassinate Putin. Fuck America's concerns about that.

Alito and Thomas aren't retiring anytime soon. You can't win, ahem, gifts when you're out of the Supreme Court.

To think, though, the worst Republican appointees came from the 'moderate' Bushes...

But Harris didn't connect with middle America*

*Doesn't elaborate on what she could have done, ignores what she did do, ignores that Trump didn't even try either.

I swear a huge portion of Harris campaign was about the economy and how she will improve things. There was next to no "LGBTQ" stuff in Harris campaign, there was nothing about her "being a woman" either. They spoke about the border, maybe too late, but what should Harris have said then with it being too late? We'll round up the immigrants and execute them? Her border policy already moved notably to the right and Trump's immigrant rhetoric was extremist.

Only thing I can really get behind is that they should have ran someone different like Shapiro, disconnected from the Biden admin.

3) Running an administration, or someone tied to it, with a 60% disapproval rating was stupid

This also applies to Pete...Who rightly or wrongly, has also received a lot of criticism in his Transportation Secretary role, I haven't delved into the specifics to determine whether the criticism is justified but even I saw it over the years and as evidenced by this election, it wouldn't have mattered if it was Pete's fault or not, as long as they can say "Hey, Pete was Transport Sect when this happened, bad Pete"

I could take a peek here and there during my work hours. It started off bad with North Carolina being called for Trump, then just got worse afterwards and with Pennsylvania being called it was over.

This thread (and my mailbox, because you know, firebush) have gone as expected with all the gloating over this bad news. Somehow it's the Dems who have to work for it whereas Trump counts as the common sense default choice. Just what is wrong with you people who start with this premise. The reason why I don't put a question mark there is because I know what's wrong with you all: Your priority is to stick it to Dems, liberals, people on the left in general. Everything else isn't important, even if you happen to live in the USA and will suffer from Trump's policies. And you will, because tariffs target everyone.

This election is similar to the second Brexit vote where people should know better what they are actually voting for, but still make the worse choice by a narrow margin. The obvious difference is that the US election will have far more serious consequences than the Brexit. I am in the enviable position to live somewhere where it's very unlikely that this will negatively impact my life, so I can relentlessly mock the stupidity of the American people who have led us down this path that has the potential to change the power balance of this world for the worse, because Trump is prone to get played like a fiddle by autocrats around the globe.

I'll keep an eye on the analyses what went wrong for the Democrats this election. Because if Trump gets his way, a lot of US comedy shows won't air for too much longer.

With this landslide, the Arab vote didn't matter in the end. Yet the way Trump remains ambiguous and makes promises to both (opposing) sides is a big contributing factor to his victory.


For example

Trump could impose arms embargo on Israel if elected, says Arab American supporter group

The national chairman for Arab Americans for Trump, Bishara Bahbah, says he believes the Republican nominee could impose an arms embargo on Israel if Netanyahu ignores calls to end his war on Gaza.

“If he says to Netanyahu: ‘End the war by the time I enter office,’ and Netanyahu fails to do so, there’s nothing stopping Trump from stopping the flow of arms to Israel,” Bahbah told The Times of Israel in Dearborn, Michigan – home to the US’s largest Arab American population.

When asked about Trump’s pledge to end the ongoing Middle East conflict, Bahbah acknowledged that the Republican offered few details on his plan but that he was confident because Trump had “significant influence over Netanyahu”.

Bahbah continued that Trump – a vocal Netanyahu backer who encouraged the Israeli prime minister to “finish the job” in Gaza in June – is very different from “the Trump of 2016 and 2020″.

No details, all his actions speak to the contrary, but people are fed up with Biden's mess and seek comfort in empty promises. Biden already destroyed international law, as well as ignoring US law, so can you really blame them. There is a lot of anger, democrats need to pay and the republicans are the only alternative and know how to preach to anger.

Dunno if Biden can still do something but this winter many thousands more people will die in Ukraine, Gaza and Lebanon.

1) That's a wild guess, based on what exactly?

2) True, but how to fix?

3) Possibly, but no other realistic candidate performed better in match-up polls with Trump. Harris should still probably have pointed out what she would do different.

4) Mostly true.

5) Not too fast, the counting isn't over yet. Trump has not won any state the polls didn't predict he would likely win or have a very strong chance of winning. Georgia polling was pretty much spot-on, he was underrestimated in North Carolina, rust-belt numbers will tighten as the remaining democratic-leaning areas are counted. Harris might even win Michigan, while Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are well within the margin of error. Arizona and Nevada are also not called yet. Blue states have a lot of counting left, so Harris may still win popular vote.

6) They got it wrong in 2016, but yes there is some reason behind it.

7) See 5), it is gonna be a clear win electorally, but not a landslide. A landlide would be winning Minnesota, Virginia, New Hampshire, Nebraska second district.

Non of these points relates to the main issue though, which is that the MAGA-movement is a fundamentally dishonest political movement which does not operate according to the same political rules and standards as normal political associations. Fingers will be pointed at the left when a political issue isn't solved, but the same people won't bat an eye when MAGA fumbles the same issue. Harris has to be flawless, Trump gets to be lawless.

Trump won in both WI and PA, and is leading in MI.

So much for your blue wall.

Yep. That’s the depressing part as an American. There is no compromising or reasoning with these people. They are so warped from reality and unhinged and apparently they are now the majority.

Two serious woman candidates lost, and I think that i can glean form these that it is still difficult to elect a woman.  Still, women have made some progress in politics and I hope that this trend continues.  

Or it just means trumpism is unbeatable and Biden lucked out with Covid in 2020.

I can list the 10 ways things could’ve been differently but when Arabs vote for the guy who promised further green lights to Netenyahu when Gill Stein is on the ticket… there is no fucking words. 

Neoliberalism hasn’t helped but Biden has done a damn good job reversing those policies. To think Trump talked about repealing the chips act and still won. There are no words.