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FiveThirtyEight, an expert on measuring and rating pollster performance, has evaluated 24 polls by AtlasIntel, earning 2.7 stars for accuracy, indicating they are High Factual by MBFC’s criteria. They also conclude that their polling slightly favors the right with a score of -0.8, which equates to Least Biased overall in polling bias.

AtlasIntel has Trump taking all the swing states.



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Chrkeller said:

FiveThirtyEight, an expert on measuring and rating pollster performance, has evaluated 24 polls by AtlasIntel, earning 2.7 stars for accuracy, indicating they are High Factual by MBFC’s criteria. They also conclude that their polling slightly favors the right with a score of -0.8, which equates to Least Biased overall in polling bias.

AtlasIntel has Trump taking all the swing states.

None of this matters now. Puerto Rico being a floating island of garbage caused an uproar, but it's small fry at the end of the day because it targeted only a small minority of voters. Now Trump has riled up women who constitute the majority of voters. Any polling done before this has not factored in this level of stupidity on Trump's part. Which means...

...if it wasn't clear before that polling this election cycle tells us nothing, it is now because it has yet to include Trump's latest blunder.

It's also becoming increasingly clear that the importance of abortion and women's rights has been underestimated by pollsters.

This election is being pitched as a close race, but I don't think it will be in the end. 300+ electoral votes for Harris.



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Chrkeller said:

FiveThirtyEight, an expert on measuring and rating pollster performance, has evaluated 24 polls by AtlasIntel, earning 2.7 stars for accuracy, indicating they are High Factual by MBFC’s criteria. They also conclude that their polling slightly favors the right with a score of -0.8, which equates to Least Biased overall in polling bias.

AtlasIntel has Trump taking all the swing states.

Meanwhile Marist which ranks 6th (2.9 stars) on FiveThirtyEight (versus AtlasIntel's 24th ranking) just released this poll. 

It's best to think of individual polls as data points, point-estimates and their aggregation (weighted by accuracy and recency) as the actual expected value. 



And one of the best pollsters in Michigan has Harris ahead.

And the most accurate pollster for PA in 22 has Harris ahead.

Doesn't mean they'll be right but it's easy to find very, very reputable pollsters with Harris leading. Atlas Intel overestimated Marine Le Pen's vote share in the French elections by 15 points but because they got the 2020 elections correct, they're heavily weighted. They also missed the Chile Presidential elections by 10 points. Personally I think Atlas is too new to consider them highly reliable, 2020 could have just been them getting lucky. They aren't even good in their home country (Brazil) where they got Mayoral races way off.

Look at their crosstabs for their recent poll on the 31st.

For Wisconsin they have Trump winning 62% of the Black vote...Trump winning 40% of the Black vote in Michigan but Biden exit polls were 92% of the Black vote in Michigan in 2020. They have Trump at 24% of the Black vote in Pennsylvania while Biden exit polls had it at 92%...Yeah, I have big doubts here that they're getting Trump's black voter % correct.



I think pollsters are underestimating women for sure but I also don't really understand why some of them are showing seismic shifts in voting for black voters, I see absolutely nothing to suggest that Trump is going to all of a sudden get a massive wave of black supporters and they're all of a sudden going to abandon Democrats. They would suggest a massive change in voting habits in just one election season. 



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I can't believe there's a pollster called Bernie Porn, I can't even type that shit into my search without worrying what will come up.



Chrkeller said:

FiveThirtyEight, an expert on measuring and rating pollster performance, has evaluated 24 polls by AtlasIntel, earning 2.7 stars for accuracy, indicating they are High Factual by MBFC’s criteria. They also conclude that their polling slightly favors the right with a score of -0.8, which equates to Least Biased overall in polling bias.

AtlasIntel has Trump taking all the swing states.

Just in case you weren’t aware, 538 is not the same as it was in previous elections. The creator of the model, Nate Silver, was fired by ABC but was able to keep the model and now uses it for his site, Silver Bulletin. ABC kept the 538 name but has a new person with a new model running it.



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zorg1000 said:
Chrkeller said:

FiveThirtyEight, an expert on measuring and rating pollster performance, has evaluated 24 polls by AtlasIntel, earning 2.7 stars for accuracy, indicating they are High Factual by MBFC’s criteria. They also conclude that their polling slightly favors the right with a score of -0.8, which equates to Least Biased overall in polling bias.

AtlasIntel has Trump taking all the swing states.

Just in case you weren’t aware, 538 is not the same as it was in previous elections. The creator of the model, Nate Silver, was fired by ABC but was able to keep the model and now uses it for his site, Silver Bulletin. ABC kept the 538 name but has a new person with a new model running it.

Tbf Nate also heavily weighs AtlasIntel AFAIK and as a result of their last poll, has caused the % to swing up for Trump by a bit, which has once again caused dooming, Lol. 



Ryuu96 said:

I think pollsters are underestimating women for sure but I also don't really understand why some of them are showing seismic shifts in voting for black voters, I see absolutely nothing to suggest that Trump is going to all of a sudden get a massive wave of black supporters and they're all of a sudden going to abandon Democrats. They would suggest a massive change in voting habits in just one election season. 

It's the appeal of Mark Robinson.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.

Ryuu96 said:
zorg1000 said:

Just in case you weren’t aware, 538 is not the same as it was in previous elections. The creator of the model, Nate Silver, was fired by ABC but was able to keep the model and now uses it for his site, Silver Bulletin. ABC kept the 538 name but has a new person with a new model running it.

Tbf Nate also heavily weighs AtlasIntel AFAIK and as a result of their last poll, has caused the % to swing up for Trump by a bit, which has once again caused dooming, Lol. 

Gotcha, and I guess it’s not like 538/Silver Bulletin are really that much different

538

Harris-47.9%
Trump-46.8%

SB

Harris-48.5%
Trump-47.4%



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.