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Ryuu96 said:

If Trump wins it will come down to a few core factors.

Not saying those factors don't matter but the biggest factor is the level of misinformation, disinformation & distrust in mainstream media.

January 6th and the fake elector scheme should be disqualifying for anyone running for President, regardless of how good the economy was or how much you like their policies. This is why so man R's like Liz Cheney are supporting Kamala. Yet it doesn't seem to matter much because people don't believe the facts. 

Ryuu96 said:

Edit - Also, Democrats always do this, no offence but Democrats are the biggest doomers on the planet.

Oh for sure!! I apologize I participated in the doom. I  was using the forum as an outlet because I have to be such a cheerleader IRL.

This race can very well come down to less than 100k votes divided among 7 states. A good GOTV operation can outperform the polls. We have seen it in GA time after time for their Senate races. Biden underperformed his polls but that campaign was anemic because of COVID. It is rare in campaigns that a "Field Margin" actually comes into play but they can be the difference of a couple points. The excitement and energy is with Kamala.



 

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Chrkeller said:
Ryuu96 said:

I've repeatedly made the distinction between MAGA voters and Republicans, a bit for the benefit of Republicans here like yourself. I'm calling all MAGA voters either a blend of selfish, stupid or bigoted but I've never labelled that as all Republicans. It seems to me like the issue here is that you're taking offence at that statement even though you're a Republican who ISN'T voting Trump.

If you're taking offence on behalf of your friends then I stand by what I said, I know that's hard to hear about your friends but too bad, I'm not going to hold my tongue to spare their feelings when they're voting for a straight up fascist. I don't care if he has a decent policy that they like, at the end of the day, he is still a fascist, that makes them either stupid, bigoted or selfish.

And I do believe Harris will take a higher Republican voter share than Biden.

My post wasn't directed at you.  I never claimed you said all Republicans are stupid.  

And for the record I agree with you.  MAGA people are stupid.

We are good man.  

And I don't take personal offense.  I'm more than confident in my intelligence and have lead a very successful life.  I want Harris to win.  I point out the "deplorable" attitude as why liberals are struggling with elections more than they should.

Woah man. I wouldn't say MAGA people are stupid. you have "plenty of college educated friends and family who are perfectly smart and successful, and they are Trumpers."



 

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Ryuu96 said:

If Trump wins it will come down to a few core factors.

Not saying those factors don't matter but the biggest factor is the level of misinformation, disinformation & distrust in mainstream media.

January 6th and the fake elector scheme should be disqualifying for anyone running for President, regardless of how good the economy was or how much you like their policies. This is why so man R's like Liz Cheney are supporting Kamala. Yet it doesn't seem to matter much because people don't believe the facts. 

Ryuu96 said:

Edit - Also, Democrats always do this, no offence but Democrats are the biggest doomers on the planet.

Oh for sure!! I apologize I participated in the doom. I  was using the forum as an outlet because I have to be such a cheerleader IRL.

This race can very well come down to less than 100k votes divided among 7 states. A good GOTV operation can outperform the polls. We have seen it in GA time after time for their Senate races. Biden underperformed his polls but that campaign was anemic because of COVID. It is rare in campaigns that a "Field Margin" actually comes into play but they can be the difference of a couple points. The excitement and energy is with Kamala.

It's okay, I know how important this election is for many Americans and how scary it is that Trump could get into power again, it's great to see that you're fighting outside here though so I suppose it doesn't apply to you that much but it just concerns me when I see people saying Harris has already lost because I think that is just as dangerous as complacency, it can put people into a negative cycle which spreads to others and evolve into a "what's the point in even trying, we've already lost" but we've not crossed the finish line yet, Americans need to fight to the very end.

Better Imo to stay in the middle but with a lean towards fear so we don't be complacent, hold the stance that this is a close election which Trump could very much win and use that fear to fight to the very end, but saying "Harris is 100% winning" or "Harris has already lost" are basically two opposite sides of a damaging stance, Imho. But hey, if it's restricted to just VGChartz then it's probably fine cause there's like 10 users here, Lmao. Just don't let that negative thinking take over your personal life which it seems you aren't, you're still fighting IRL.

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Better on honesty and trustworthy, better on who cares about you and putting the country's interest above their own, better on favourability for both Harris and Walz by decent margins, better on "whose policies do you prefer" when asked without telling voters whose policies are whose, but still a dead heat in polling 😭

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Ryuu96 said:

If Harris loses then I hope Democrats don't do their typical finger pointing and blaming each other and ripping each other apart, as per usual, Lol. They won't have time for that, it will be a time to come together and defend against any horrible shit Trump throws their way and the rest of the world. Personally, I'm going to be too focused on watching Ukraine die to give a shit about who is to blame for losing.

Imo, if Harris doesn't win then I don't think any Democrat could have won and it was inevitable.

But if Harris does win, I promise I won't come in here and mock doomers, I just don't think it's healthy to take the stance that she has already lost and give up before even reaching the finish line when it's neck and neck. Use the fear to donate, volunteer, or convince people even harder to vote but don't tell them "We've already lost" because that helps nobody.

It's not just America at stake, Europe and Ukraine is counting on you too. This is the most passionate I've ever been about an America election, Lol. Get some fire in your bellies and like I said, don't become complacent, the fear is good, use that fear to fuel yourselves because of what is at stake but you need to balance yourselves. As much as it doesn't help to say Harris wins easily, it doesn't help to say Trump has already won.

Harris will win and I will tell you why.

One common theme of the past few months among news reporting from a Democratic angle has been about providing a permission structure for Republican voters to go blue this election. Topics like how Liz Cheney's endorsement could be it, stuff like that. Ultimately, very boring. And also wrong in its premise, because nobody in their right mind needs a permission structure to do the right thing.

But more importantly, nobody needs a permission structure in an election process that is secret. Suppose you are a Republican who fears to admit that they voted for Harris, what are you going to do? You vote for her and lie about it in your circle of friends, because you want to continue to hang out with them. It's that simple. Because as far as I know, being registered as a Republican voter does not force you to vote for a Republican ticket nor does it obligate you to tell the truth about who you voted.

I probably didn't need to quote your post, but meh. The point is that the Republican party has become so extreme that people are now afraid to admit that they didn't want to support racists and fascists.



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Jaicee said:

Honestly, I think it'd be in the Democratic Party's best interest to revive the so-called "blue dog" faction of their party in the future. Those people are the dying remnants of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal worker-farmer coalition and the modern Democratic brand simply sucks at reaching either end of that spectrum increasingly. There's too many goddamn Venture Capitalists for Kamala and Business Leaders for Harris, too many events with Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger and other assorted neocon militarists who've never heard of a war they didn't want us to fight and couldn't give a rat's ass if you starve or wind up homeless or die of a fentanyl overdose. I'm seeing way too much Mark Cuban on my screen and it's communicating the wrong message. It's time to get back to kitchen table issues. Where are those in this last stretch of the campaign? Wtf happened to that whole message?

This is also just simply a change election year worldwide. The world, and the working class in particular, is unhappy with the post-pandemic cost of living, housing shortages, and the mass migration that's opened up to add more strain to our resources in a context of what's often been real scarcity and already-strained government budgets. In America's case, that means people are also just simply looking for excuses to vote for Trump this year. Harris is stuck fighting against that tide and what it all means is that she has to basically be perfect to win and Trump can get away with pretty much anything at the moment. Is that fair? Hell no! Is it reality though? Yes.

You have a point there. What happened to the party that used to dominate small towns and urban centers alike by its connections to the working class? Trading non-college-educated Whites and now even PoCs for (some of) the Republican college-educated vote is a surefire manner of losing the EC for a long, long time. There could be no worse combo in that regard.

It'll be even worse after 2030, the blue wall will be destroyed (-16 or so ECs) by the next apportionment.

That being said, I think Trump can and will still lose because he's a deranged lunatic who is bleeding in the suburbs worse than Goldwater. But just.



 

 

 

 

 

Chrkeller said:

If Trump wins it will because liberals do not connect with people, including Ph.D folks, in conjunction with liberals falsely stereotyping Republicans as stupid.  

Hard to win a crowd over when certain people don't even know what that crowd is and what they represent.  

Well...



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