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If Trump wins it will because liberals do not connect with people, including Ph.D folks, in conjunction with liberals falsely stereotyping Republicans as stupid.  

Hard to win a crowd over when certain people don't even know what that crowd is and what they represent.  



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This week's schedule:

The Lions host the hapless Titans.
The Packers play versus the lowly Jaguars.
The Steelers host the dumpster Giants.

Only the Eagles face a tough matchup with their trip to Cincinnati, but let's be honest, most people in Pennsylvania prefer the Steelers. So what's with all this doom and gloom all of a sudden? The blue wall is still in safe waters.

The Raiders will get thrashed by the Chiefs, and the Panthers will fall to the improving Broncos. Sure. But we knew that these two states were lost already anyway.

The two toss-up states Georgia and Arizona see their teams go into toss-up games against the Buccaneers and Dolphins, respectively. Nobody knows how this will play out.

This is still the same state of things as a week ago.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.

Chrkeller said:

If Trump wins it will because liberals do not connect with people, including Ph.D folks, in conjunction with liberals falsely stereotyping Republicans as stupid.  

Hard to win a crowd over when certain people don't even know what that crowd is and what they represent.  

I've repeatedly made the distinction between MAGA voters and Republicans, a bit for the benefit of Republicans here like yourself. I'm calling all MAGA voters either a blend of selfish, stupid or bigoted but I've never labelled that as all Republicans. It seems to me like the issue here is that you're taking offence at that statement even though you're a Republican who ISN'T voting Trump.

If you're taking offence on behalf of your friends then I stand by what I said, I know that's hard to hear about your friends but too bad, I'm not going to hold my tongue to spare their feelings when they're voting for a straight up fascist. I don't care if he has a decent policy that they like, at the end of the day, he is still a fascist, that makes them either stupid, bigoted or selfish.

And I do believe Harris will take a higher Republican voter share than Biden.

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Ryuu96 said:
Chrkeller said:

If Trump wins it will because liberals do not connect with people, including Ph.D folks, in conjunction with liberals falsely stereotyping Republicans as stupid.  

Hard to win a crowd over when certain people don't even know what that crowd is and what they represent.  

I've repeatedly made the distinction between MAGA voters and Republicans, a bit for the benefit of Republicans here like yourself. I'm calling all MAGA voters either a blend of selfish, stupid or bigoted but I've never labelled that as all Republicans. It seems to me like the issue here is that you're taking offence at that statement even though you're a Republican who ISN'T voting Trump.

If you're taking offence on behalf of your friends then I stand by what I said, I know that's hard to hear about your friends but too bad, I'm not going to hold my tongue to spare their feelings when they're voting for a straight up fascist. I don't care if he has a decent policy that they like, at the end of the day, he is still a fascist, that makes them either stupid, bigoted or selfish.

And I do believe Harris will take a higher Republican voter share than Biden.

My post wasn't directed at you.  I never claimed you said all Republicans are stupid.  

And for the record I agree with you.  MAGA people are stupid.

We are good man.  

And I don't take personal offense.  I'm more than confident in my intelligence and have lead a very successful life.  I want Harris to win.  I point out the "deplorable" attitude as why liberals are struggling with elections more than they should.



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Chrkeller said:
Ryuu96 said:

I've repeatedly made the distinction between MAGA voters and Republicans, a bit for the benefit of Republicans here like yourself. I'm calling all MAGA voters either a blend of selfish, stupid or bigoted but I've never labelled that as all Republicans. It seems to me like the issue here is that you're taking offence at that statement even though you're a Republican who ISN'T voting Trump.

If you're taking offence on behalf of your friends then I stand by what I said, I know that's hard to hear about your friends but too bad, I'm not going to hold my tongue to spare their feelings when they're voting for a straight up fascist. I don't care if he has a decent policy that they like, at the end of the day, he is still a fascist, that makes them either stupid, bigoted or selfish.

And I do believe Harris will take a higher Republican voter share than Biden.

My post wasn't directed at you.  I never claimed you said all Republicans are stupid.  

And for the record I agree with you.  MAGA people are stupid.

We are good man.  

Okay, my bad.



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Ryuu96 said:
Chrkeller said:

My post wasn't directed at you.  I never claimed you said all Republicans are stupid.  

And for the record I agree with you.  MAGA people are stupid.

We are good man.  

Okay, my bad.

No worries.  If nothing else we can agree.  **** MAGA.  I wish they entire movement would die in a fiery car crash.  



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I'm more and more convinced that pollsters don't know what's happening either, that's why they're all practically merging on the same thing, if Harris wins then they're right because of MoE, if Trump wins then they're right because of MoE. It's only a landslide victory which will make pollsters wrong this time around, which makes me a little suspicious.

Early voting is a new thing for the USA, especially on the scale that we are seeing this election. Pollsters rely on historic precedence to adjust their models for higher accuracy, but when there's no precedence, they are basically lost, regardless of if they are biased or not.

It's kinda like Shadow1980, NPD numbers and Nintendo Switch. He has no bias one way or another when it comes to sales data, but none of the historic data is properly applicable to a hybrid console, so he has gotten it wrong with his predictions repeatedly.

So pollsters hedging their bets when it comes to polls this election cycle wouldn't be surprising at all. Operating within the margin of error is the safest thing they can do in a time of great uncertainty. Everyone doing the same thing also covers each other's backs. At the end of the day they all can say that nobody really knew what was going to happen.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.

If Harris loses then I hope Democrats don't do their typical finger pointing and blaming each other and ripping each other apart, as per usual, Lol. They won't have time for that, it will be a time to come together and defend against any horrible shit Trump throws their way and the rest of the world. Personally, I'm going to be too focused on watching Ukraine die to give a shit about who is to blame for losing.

Imo, if Harris doesn't win then I don't think any Democrat could have won and it was inevitable.

But if Harris does win, I promise I won't come in here and mock doomers, I just don't think it's healthy to take the stance that she has already lost and give up before even reaching the finish line when it's neck and neck. Use the fear to donate, volunteer, or convince people even harder to vote but don't tell them "We've already lost" because that helps nobody.

It's not just America at stake, Europe and Ukraine is counting on you too. This is the most passionate I've ever been about an America election, Lol. Get some fire in your bellies and like I said, don't become complacent, the fear is good, use that fear to fuel yourselves because of what is at stake but you need to balance yourselves. As much as it doesn't help to say Harris wins easily, it doesn't help to say Trump has already won.



The polls haven't changed the last week, it is still tied. People need to fight against MAGA fascism to the finish line.



Going to chime in with my personal takes of the last few pages.

I don't believe that liberals are smarter than conservatives. I believe that everyone is ignorant of most things. No one fully understands how the economy works. Very few people understand the pandemic policy. I don't think most people have much of an understanding on what is happening in Ukraine or Palestine. Most people don't understand most of math or science.

People are aware of different parts of issues, they're driven by different belief systems, they're informed by different educational backgrounds, they're informed by different media. 

There's way too much information to be fully informed about pretty much anything. A lot of that information doesn't particularly matter for the big picture, but knowledge is an absurd uphill battle. A lot of the fun for science/social science/math/etc, that there's always more stuff to learn. There's always more questions to be answered.

I don't think liberals tend to be smarter, but I think they tend to be more self critical. A little less likely to have a black and white view on the world, and more likely to be trusting when they know they don't understand something. (This is anecdotal based on my experiences, so doesn't particularly mean anything.)

I somewhat believe that you can build people up to making completely different conclusions by appealing to them in whatever very personal way fits them. If you're a loving dad who is afraid for you child's safety that you can convince them much easier that "someone" (an immigrant) is coming for your children. Made even easier, when you have friends who already have those beliefs. I think you can whittle away at people and get them to believe almost anything. 

I think that's what makes Fox News so successful at what they're doing. 

Was it the case in 2016 that so many conservatives/Republicans endorsed Clinton? I know that there were some. 

The polling seems so bizarre, when there are so many stories of Republicans endorsing Harris, and most of the early voting seem to be in favor of Harris. Engagement seems to be so much higher for Harris. 

None of it might mean anything in the end, but it seems rather strange how strong the indicators look for Harris, when polling suggests otherwise.

Wouldn't it be interesting if Democrats ended up winning the swing states more than expected, and had a closer than expected matchup elsewhere?