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Ryuu96 said:

Pete Buttigieg is GOATed, I know it has been said before but I hope that Harris places him even higher in her administration (if she wins), like Secretary of State? Dude is awesome, super intelligent, an amazing speaker, folk like Pete, Whitmer and Shapiro need to be the future of the Democrat Party. I think Pete would represent America amazingly to European and Asian allies, Ukraine, etc.

I worked his Presidential campaign. He took a photo with me at 1am in the morning after a full day of political events. Such a nice guy. 

Totally unverified but chatter was he was originally hoping to get UN Ambassador from Biden after dropping out. I thought he would be perfect for that and a good step to Sec of State. Dude speaks 7 languages and served in the military! 

So many Democrats served in the military despite the Republicans painting them as the party of cowards. In Arizona, Democratic senate candidate and Representative Ruben Gallego was a Marine. Republican Kari Lake was a TV talking head who left her old career under dramatic circumstances.



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Worrying amount of bullshit about FEMA being spread, especially on Twitter, including by Elon Musk himself, Pete Buttigieg directly responded to him and he continued to spread bullshit in later tweets. Now he is full throttle endorsing Trump and at his rallies, call me crazy but I don't believe a guy with so many government contracts, especially in relation to national security (military and such) should be allowed to spread utter bullshit about the government and that's not even getting into the straight Russian propaganda he has spread before, oh and lets not forget him amplifying nonsense about Germany, Brazil and Twitter largely being a speaker phone for the recent UK violence.

The man is a national security threat, I may hate him more than I hate Trump, want an example of an immigrant harming America? Elon Musk. I hope (although I won't expect it to happen) one day that America just nationalises SpaceX, Musk can keep Tesla, he is already alienating the biggest fanbase of Tesla anyway, who does he think buys electric vehicles? Lol.

Remember when Musk threw a tantrum saying that Twitter must be impartial? That Jack Dorsey was biased? That we must "upset the left wing and right wing equally" Remember when Twitter was meant to decrease the spread of propaganda and bullshit conspiracy theories? This dude is a piece of shit, hypocritical fucker, a bitter divorced dad whose own kid hates him, who the fuck looks up to this man? Some billionaire who doesn't give a fuck about you, he's just desperate for approval and attention and when he doesn't get it he calls people pedos.



PDF said:
Ryuu96 said:

Pete Buttigieg is GOATed, I know it has been said before but I hope that Harris places him even higher in her administration (if she wins), like Secretary of State? Dude is awesome, super intelligent, an amazing speaker, folk like Pete, Whitmer and Shapiro need to be the future of the Democrat Party. I think Pete would represent America amazingly to European and Asian allies, Ukraine, etc.

I worked his Presidential campaign. He took a photo with me at 1am in the morning after a full day of political events. Such a nice guy. 

Totally unverified but chatter was he was originally hoping to get UN Ambassador from Biden after dropping out. I thought he would be perfect for that and a good step to Sec of State. Dude speaks 7 languages and served in the military! 

America has got to share Pete with the rest of the world

UN Ambassador would be cool too, I know he served in the military but damn, 7 languages, Lmao. I also read he did his undergraduate on US Foreign Policy. I know SoS or UN Ambassador is less in the spotlight than some other roles but I do think he'd be an amazing asset there, I think he'd be a strong supporter of Ukraine and America's allies and I think he'd be a strong force against certain countries, he is a nice guy but he also doesn't put up with bullshit and he is used to combatting fascist wannabes, he is on Fox News every week (I'm Joking!).

I don't mind Blinken but my understanding is that Blinken will be naturally dumped? I think I read that somewhere that both Blinken and Sullivan will naturally be dropped as a new administration comes in, I'm not really a fan of Jake Sullivan though. After everything Pete has done for Harris campaign, both publicly and privately, I think he deserves to be higher on the ladder, he is such an asset to the Democrat Party and deserving of a seat which recognises that, I'm not saying Transport Secretary is a bad seat, it's great, I just want him higher on the ladder, Lol.

Not going to get my hopes up though, I think Harris will keep him where he is, it's just a cool thought in my mind, Lol.

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SanAndreasX said:
PDF said:

I worked his Presidential campaign. He took a photo with me at 1am in the morning after a full day of political events. Such a nice guy. 

Totally unverified but chatter was he was originally hoping to get UN Ambassador from Biden after dropping out. I thought he would be perfect for that and a good step to Sec of State. Dude speaks 7 languages and served in the military! 

So many Democrats served in the military despite the Republicans painting them as the party of cowards. In Arizona, Democratic senate candidate and Representative Ruben Gallego was a Marine. Republican Kari Lake was a TV talking head who left her old career under dramatic circumstances.

And Trump is probably one of the most disrespectful Presidents in recent history towards servicemen and servicewomen but Trump supporters still pretend to give a fuck about them, Lol.

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Shame on Donald Trump for Worsening NC’s Helene Tragedy with Political Lies

Monday: Trump falsely claims Biden hasn’t answered calls from Georgia’s governor

Monday: Trump cites baseless ‘reports’ about anti-Republican bias in the North Carolina response

Thursday: Trump falsely claims the Biden-Harris response had received ‘universally’ negative reviews

Thursday: Trump falsely claims Harris spent ‘all her FEMA money’ on housing illegal migrants

Friday: Trump falsely claims $1 billion was ‘stolen’ from FEMA for migrants and has gone ‘missing’

Saturday: Trump falsely claims the federal government is only giving $750 to people who lost their homes

Saturday: Trump falsely claims there are ‘no helicopters, no rescue’ in North Carolina 

Fact Check: Six Days of Trump Lies About the Hurricane Helene Response | CNN Politics

You just know that Russian bots are likely amplifying this nonsense on Twitter too and Musk does nothing about it.



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Vance joking about how his son is just like him... because apparently he likes burning down buildings.



Kind of weird...



Biden needs to force these lazy fuckers in House back in session, Mike Johnson is one of the most useless sacks of shit that I've ever seen, Russian Bots and Useful Idiots are out in full force on Twitter/TikTok spreading lies about the FEMA response and also linking it to Ukraine, putting the blame on Ukraine and Harris. Lets talk about the actual reasons why money might run out, because the budget has to be passed by Congress but those lazy fuckers are on break, for about the 50th time this year, during critical moments.

All they need to do is comeback and vote on a bill, that simple, but that lazy fuck Mike Johnson won't. He makes being a member of House look like the easiest job in the world, holiday for 50% of the year, do nothing for the other 40% and then MAYBE after weeks of pushing, he'll finally do something for the other 10%. Honestly as an outside observer, I look at House and think "man, it must be so easy to get elected there" compared to other government departments when you have absolute nutcases like MTG and people who do nothing like Mike Johnson.



Ryuu96 said:

Biden needs to force these lazy fuckers in House back in session, Mike Johnson is one of the most useless sacks of shit that I've ever seen, Russian Bots and Useful Idiots are out in full force on Twitter/TikTok spreading lies about the FEMA response and also linking it to Ukraine, putting the blame on Ukraine and Harris. Lets talk about the actual reasons why money might run out, because the budget has to be passed by Congress but those lazy fuckers are on break, for about the 50th time this year, during critical moments.

All they need to do is comeback and vote on a bill, that simple, but that lazy fuck Mike Johnson won't. He makes being a member of House look like the easiest job in the world, holiday for 50% of the year, do nothing for the other 40% and then MAYBE after weeks of pushing, he'll finally do something for the other 10%. Honestly as an outside observer, I look at House and think "man, it must be so easy to get elected there" compared to other government departments when you have absolute nutcases like MTG and people who do nothing like Mike Johnson.

It is easy to get elected if you’re the right party in a gerrymandered district. MTG got elected because her supporters in her blood red district drove her Democratic opponent out of state with death threats. She won unopposed because of thuggery. Lauren Boebert is so idiotic and useless that she makes MTG look almost sane. She has a son who made her a 36 year old grandmother with an underage girl and is now facing multiple felony theft charges. She also got caught engaging in lewd activity in public at a family oriented event despite screaming how immoral Democrats are. She had to run away from her district in Western Colorado because she was polling badly. She’s now the Republican nominee of a heavily rural eastern CO district and will almost certainly win, despite being a complete oxygen thief. 



Jaicee said:

Sometimes people tell me they don't know the dif between where Biden stands on the issues and where Harris does. I've noticed some definite differences not only in the ways that Biden and Harris have campaigned, but also in terms of the policy programs they respectively champion. Biden basically wasn't advancing any new ideas this year. He seemed to have no re-election platform to speak of and just ran on his unpopular record, believing he could change opinion about it. Harris, by contrast, is running on an actual platform, not just the very mid Biden legacy. Having been handed the reigns just a few months out from election day, she's had little time to craft a detailed one, but has managed pretty well on comparatively short notice, producing speeches dedicated to various issues. The most important of these is her economic policy speech, as the cost of living, jobs, and the economy are of course consistently the top-ranked issue on the voters' minds. Here it is:

(If you're looking to skip past the opening remarks and get straight to the policy substance, skip ahead to around 17 minutes in.)

She divides her plan into three categories: 1) strategically-placed tax breaks for families, aspiring home owners and small business owners, and workers and consumers in general, which she describes as her top priority, 2) cost-of-living controls, which I liked just as much, and 3) the weakest plank in my opinion, supporting and subsidizing biotech innovations, including crypto and A.I. development, among other things, not all of which do I necessarily agree with. (That last item would be symptomatic of her being a California Democrat, IMO.) The very existence of this plan differentiates her quite clearly from Biden in my mind. It carries a fairly strong populist undertone that positions her vision for the economy firmly in capitalist territory yet also distinctly left of Biden's very status quo non-message when he was running.

Also very noteworthy, IMO, was her recent immigration policy speech:

I noticed that she led her speech with extensive plans for shoring up border security that went even beyond simply her previously-announced commitment to signing the bi-partisan bill endorsed by the border patrol union that Trump effectively tanked earlier this year into law. In that regard, she went further than Biden in her commitments, seeming to position herself to his right on the issue. What impressed me the most about the speech though was her detailed plan to address the fentanyl crisis in particular, which got its own dedicated sub-section in the speech. One doesn't hear Democrats discuss the fentanyl crisis much at all, let alone with such clarity and specificity. It made me confident that she will take forceful action and as a top priority. She of course also remarked about supporting a pathway to citizenship for immigrants who've been living here for decades and meet specific requirements, which is a standard-issue Democratic position that I agree with. The latter though was reserved for much later in the speech and described in less detail, making it clear that border security will be a Harris administration's higher priority, which is also as it should be.

Those speeches cover the two highest-ranked issues of the voters. The third highest-ranked in most surveys is abortion rights, and I've noted that Harris has come out in support of scrapping the Senate filibuster to pass legislation restoring the protections that Roe V. Wade had previously afforded, which is actually the same position Biden has embraced. (I wish we could just have a national referendum on abortion rights like you can in the individual states, but apparently we don't believe that participatory democracy should apply at the federal level in this country for some reason I don't understand.) Indeed, Harris's positions on other issues seem similar or identical to Biden's, including championing an all-of-the-above energy policy and a negotiated end to the Israel-Hamas War, etc. Mostly commonplace, fairly moderate positions. But on the economy and immigration respectively -- the top concerns of the voting public -- she strikes out on her own more, carving out a stance left of Biden on the economy and right of Biden on border security, both of which meet with my strong approval. I feel like she's very in touch with the mood of the country and takes the public's concerns about the Biden White House's shortcomings to heart. I don't feel like she's terribly beholden to woke politics or campaigning on her identity hardly at all despite the fact that many do in fact take pride in the opportunity to elect someone who would be our first female president ever, including 70% of us independent women.

(I'm sorry to fawn so much over Harris, I've just come to like her a lot. Also I've noticed that we don't discuss actual public policy very much on this thread. It's mostly just the horse race and Trump/Republican-bashing.)

I wanted to cut out the rest to just focus on the bolded, but I couldn't delete the vids, so I left the entire post intact.

Earlier in the thread, I mentioned several of Harris' and Walz's stated policies and why I'm supporting them, and I asked that any Republicans in the thread list the policies that have them supporting Trump and Vance. That post didn't get a response.



Maybe it's just how things seem to me personally, but it feels like things are so polarized right now that it's hard to feel worth comparing candidates.

Like if there's a poll that says "burn down grandma's house" and "ask grandma to make cookies", it doesn't feel like it's worth discussing the merits of burning down grandma's house. 

It doesn't feel like there's a lot to talk about, unless there are some surprises. 

It would still be nice to be able to discuss the merits/deficits of specific policy. This is probably my own deficit, I'm not sure there's a lot of specific policy to talk about. I know there's stuff the Child Tax Credit and Earned Income Tax Credit that Kamala has. I don't know if there's much in the way of details for most policy proposals though.