The PS4 got every single relevant third party game for the Japanese market and it still declined over the PS3 and didn't even sell 10m+ in the region. What is going to happen with the PS brand in Japan if the Switch 2 also gets some of the AAA japanese games that will be released on the PS5/6? I would expect the decline to just continue in the region.

Maybe the Switch 2 will get the same third party treatment as the first Switch with lots of third party games skipping it in favor of PS/Xbox/PC and things will remain the same. Who knows. It's just a situation where we can just wait and see what's going to happen honestly.

Just FYI, of the 4 consoles selling better than PS2 in Japan, 3 released after the PS2. At the time it was very much the big cheese in Japan, so this idea of yours that Sony has always been weak in Japan just doesn't work. It's flat-out revisionist history in an attempt to shift the blame for Playstation's recent underperformance away from Sony.

A home console selling 23 million in a country of 125m people that historically prefered handhelds IS huge. You clearly don't know what you're talking about if you think otherwise. I don't know what else to tell you.

It's all about context. Nes sold 19.5. Million when then market was smaller then half the size of the ps2 era, so yea it was the big cheese but for how big the market was, it differently was weak. Honestly Japan is just a very difficult market to be successful in as traditional home console.

Like I said ps2 was basically the perfect home console interms of basically everything, it had a monopoly and tons of Japanese support exclusives selling 4 million more then nes with the competition like GC and Xbox sold nothing and the market more then doubled just shows that the peak for home consoles there, it's all about growth and there Was no growth left in japan. Sony trying  harder to please japan would a foolish.

@zeldaring you have posted like fourty times in here over the past few days. Is everything okay? (y'all we should prolly stop posting here. At this point, just create a new thread.)

Since you are sticking to this story of console warring has no relevance here, I'll just simply prove to you that no one is dumb enough to believe this. 

Your conclusion of the Japanese market doesn't have anywhere near enough evidence to back it up. You continue to ignore these charts are physical sales of the console market. That means no digital software sales and no PC market at all. Don't you think that is a massive amount of software consumed missing from the digital console sales of PS (a market that arguably leans digital) and the entire PC market? These charts will look very bias towards Nintendo considering the Switch market still relies greatly on physical (PS leans digital and digital is fully missing) and it's userbase is much larger than the PS userbase in Japan. These charts would not look as dominate for Nintendo if digital and PC was included.

This leads me to my next point, the games you expect to do better in Japan that you claim don't do well enough, you don't have enough evidence that the don't sell well in Japan. Your proof is a chart that is missing digital and PC. These games don't release on the highest selling platform or if they do they are late ports crippling their potential. They instead release on PC, PS, and Xbox, so two lower selling platforms and the charts you are using don't even include their digital sales which those two platforms are showing enormous growth and PC which has all of it's market completely missing on these charts. 

Your Witcher 3 example was grossly disengious. Your 53 million figure is a global number including it's digital and PC sales (where the biggest share of Witcher 3 sales are on PC) compared to a 1 million figure that doesn't include any digital or PC sales? How is that fair? Is it not reasonable to believe Japan's share of the 53 million total is larger than the 1 million because it is missing the digital PS/Xbox/Switch sales and all of the PC sales from Japan? My point is simply, you lack way too much data to determine your conclusion and honestly just looks like console warring. You also don't have the right to tell Japan they didn't buy enough of a game just because it's popular somewhere else. It's funny how if I insult an individual by calling them a fanboy, that's against the rules but you are allowed to insult an entire country by telling them they have bad taste.

This thread has really gone sideways.

Getting caught up, it looks like the new argument is that the PS2 was not successful in Japan, despite being the best selling home console ever. (When it was released/lifecycle)

Pretty crazy stuff. zeldaring, when you start dogging the PS2s success, it might be time to log off and go outside for a while.

edit:  new famitsu numbers are out. Nintendo clean sweep again, someone make sure Zelda is in a safe place. 

https://nintendoeverything.com/famitsu-sales-7-8-24-7-14-24/

I said look at the context. Despite home console sales seeing a explosion in growth North america and europe, in japan it was already near peak with the nes. ps2 gen was the peak for what traditional  home consoles could sell only doing 4 million then nes shows the console home market was only gonna go down from there, and  even with the massive success of the wii that gen still sold less home consoles then ps2 gen.

Shouldn't the NES be treated as an outlier though since it was supported longer than any other platform? I remember reading it had an absurdly long life, with even the PS2 not having as long.