I was making the point that none of these places are monoliths. 

The Democratic party ranges from left wing to fairly conservative.

Texas has Democratic mayors, just like California has some Republican mayors. 

And most Democrats are pushing very little left wing policy. Especially when it comes to things like housing.

You have to look at nuances. Didn't you say something about "wondering a bit more"?

Looking at complexities like these are step 1. 

California and New York are too expensive, and they are too expensive because more people want to live there than can fit.  Even if both states lose millions of people there isn't enough property to lower the costs significantly.  When a 2 million dollar home near San Francisco is the equivalent of a $400,000 house in the midwest it make sense to leave California if you can work remotely.  California's weather is near perfect year round, assuming you don't enjoy the snow of the north.  Florida and Texas are cheaper but both are hell in the summer weather wise when you get month after month of 90 + degrees and humidity.

I've wondered enough, literally and figuratively.  I've lived in multiple states and in multiple countries.  What seems good on paper isn't always true.

Not sure what else to tell you.  I think many in this thread are exceptionally naive.

But hey, whatever floats your boat.  

Do you think no one else in the world has your experience or knows things you don't?

I think if anyone thinks they have everything figured out, they're absurdly wrong. Most things in the world are absurdly complex, and there are specialists who spend their lifetime studying stuff and still don't have every answer or even a lot of answers in some cases. Experienced economists don't agree on things, experienced physicists don't agree on everything. 

>What seems good on paper isn't always true.

Right, but a lot of times, it's because we're missing something. It's also extremely easy to come up with the wrong conclusions depending on what your assumptions are.

If I build a pyramid and it falls down, should I come to the conclusion that pyramids don't work. Or does it make more sense to come to the conclusion that I built it wrong?

Yeah.  The most expensive states are almost all exclusively liberal.  So odd.  I'm sure that means nothing, just like the homelessness and people leaving in droves.  

Liberal policies work!  

Where from Europe? 

It takes long to see a specialist appointment in the UK because the conservatives were hell bent on destroying the NHS (and fyi, I cheered for Boris Jo's win in 2019), tbf to him, he was a massive spender and austerity measures were reversed when he took over. Example, the number of students who could join med school has been artificially capped for over a decade under the conservatives, as a result, we don't have enough specialists. On the other hand, family medicine appointments can be booked same day in many parts of the country without a problem, a massive difference compared to 5 years ago, in fact, the UK is very close to abolishing shortages in primary care, a big part of this is because family medicine/GP training investment by Bo Jo following Brexit. Specialists appointments are trickier to resolve because specialist training takes a very long time in Britain.  

It goes to show you that investing in public services and planning, magically, work. It's less about who's in charge and more about what policies are being implemented. 

I'll always defend the NHS against the Frankenstein system that America has, the NHS may not be perfect, it definitely has issues, waiting times are far too long in some cases but a lot of the NHS current issues are a result of the Conservatives who have been neglecting the NHS for years, like Lurker said, they've been hellbent on destroying it, but I think I speak for most Brits when I say I love the NHS and I would rather we spent time and money to fix those issues than become some copy of America.

Without the NHS, I'd either be in a wheelchair or my parents would have been in crippling debt, I spent months in total in hospital, across years of my childhood, I'll forever be grateful to the NHS. Just recently (last month), I needed surgery on my back, within a week of being told that I needed surgery I was in the hospital with a bed, within two days on arriving I had the surgery, I was discharged the next day, from telling me I needed surgery to having the actual surgery it was all done in about 2 weeks.

I didn't need to worry about finances, how I'd pay for it, I didn't need to worry about insurance, I didn't need to see any stupid bill, I didn't have to worry about a damn thing, all I needed to do is lay there and trust my surgeon and I'm in and out, the care was once again brilliant, it was more like a week-long, free-food, free-lodging hotel stay, with the negative of surgery (Lol) but hey at least it wasn't major surgery.

I will never want to trade UK's system for USA's system, fuck no, not ever. I'm not opposed to private healthcare, there should be private healthcare options! There are private healthcare options in the UK, if you want to go private and can afford it then do it but the NHS and its free system to all is a vital, incredibly important, incredibly useful thing to tens of millions of Brits. I am proud to pay into it, I am proud that my money helps others the same way that their money helped me.

Same here in Canada. Except we have the additional problem that the US lures our educated medical professionals away to their lucrative private healthcare system.

The healthcare system has been neglected and defunded for decades. Yet it still works.

Most I had to pay when struck by car while cycling, was $45 co-pay for the ambulance ride. The police delivered my bicycle home free of charge. Two C-sections, week long hospital recovery, first born in NICU for a couple days, total cost $0. Very rare deadly neck infection after dentist visit, another hospital stay, all fixed.

My wife's brother has a heart condition from birth, requiring heart surgery, valve replacement, every 15 years. Don't even have to fill out a single piece of paper. He can concentrate fully on healing and living on. "In 2021, the average cost of a heart valve replacement procedure in the United States amounted to 170 thousand U.S. dollars."

The only thing we don't have is full coverage for medication. But at least medication costs a lot less here than in the States.

Did you forget how this discussion started? You asked for unity and I gave examples of people who are never going to unite with Trump over specific policies. But since you forgot, I’ll make another list:

Abortion

Immigration

Healthcare

Education

Gun Safety

Industrial Policy

Climate Change

Transgender Rights

Unions

Minimum Wage

Tax Policy

Foreign Policy

Trade

Criminal Justice

Regulations

Look at each party’s views on these topics and explain to me how “both candidates are shitheads and there’s nothing to fight over”.

The road to unity is not a one-way-street.

Accepting other opinions exist is a good starting point. Same with collaboration & compromise, without it no society could exist.