Chrkeller said:
Seems to me the top states in homeless are all liberal.... and they are all expensive as crap. Just makes me wonder how successful these social programs are. I'm far from an expert, but one of the reasons I lean towards republican is because I wouldn't consider living in California, New York, DC, etc. Meanwhile I would happily live in NC, SC, etc. There does seem to be a correlation.
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Firstly, correlation isn't causation.
Ignoring a lot of issues. If you were a homeless person, would you rather be in a Republican or a Democratic state? Probably a Democratic state, because they are more likely to offer more support.
Some states are going to be more dangerous to live in as a homeless person, less shelter from deadly cold, deadly heat, not to mention other disasters like hurricanes and tornadoes. It could be possible for one state to have more homeless people, because more homeless die in the other one.
That's not really a great result.
Secondly, as I said, this has nothing to do with liberal policies. It's NIMBY Democrats pushing conservative policies.
California has a massive population, a lot of people want to live there. And there's a lot of data showing how house building hasn't supported that. Lots of competition on the buying side, very little competition on the selling side, means high prices, which contributes to homeless people.
Chrkeller said:
I suppose my point is all these great programs don't seem to be resulting in great places to live. Perhaps we should wonder a bit more. I also live in Europe and it isn't what people think it is. Still a great place, don't get me wrong. But there are some major issues, like needing private insurance because national insurance has 6 month wait times. The grass isn't as green as many think it is.
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No healthcare system is perfect.
Even very similar healthcare systems have huge differences.
https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/docserver/health_glance_eur-2018-29-en.pdf?expires=1721148254&id=id&accname=guest&checksum=67392878DD90ACA0F270A72FD5C5F9AF
Every healthcare system has different outcomes and different costs, despite a lot of these technically having similar healthcare systems.
Sometimes culture plays a part.
Sometimes it's because small changes in the exact same system can make big changes.
On the matter of "grass being greener", it's a matter of priorities. Being able to go to the doctor at all, even if it takes 6 months might be considered preferable to having medical debt or having your job attached to your health insurance. I would wager that it's preferable for the vast majority of people, unless you're wealthy and can get into the doctor faster and don't have to worry about medical debt.
Personally I'm well aware that
- short of major changes to the US healthcare system, we're probably not going to save much money in the short term
- we also have worse health outcomes due to a more sedentary lifestyle than most of Europe.
- wait times would increase
I think the pros of a public healthcare system are worth it. And I think if people are more willing to make changes, then we can make better efforts to ensure that wait times don't go up drastically.
Last edited by the-pi-guy - on 16 July 2024