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Hardstuck-Platinum said:

If the Government is abusing anti terrorism laws to harm UK citizens then why do all the arrests for supporting PA result on no convictions and immediate release? Not doing a very good job of abusing the terrorism laws to harm UK citizens are they?

Isn't that proving the point that the proscription is meaningless...

All that the UK has done is bring tons more attention and support to Palestine Action. The judiciary is not having it, they don't want to prosecute people for wearing a T-shirt. 


And this is still abusing the terrorism laws to harm UK citizens

https://www.jurist.org/news/2025/08/over-400-activists-arrested-at-palestine-action-protest-in-london/

Police said they invoked Section 60AA of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act of 1994, which grants police officers the authority to demand the removal of of any signs or clothing “expressing support” for a “proscribed group.”

The MPS noted that the individuals were sent to “Prisoner Processing Points in the Westminster area,” where they were released on bail, conditional upon their not participating in any protest led by Palestine Action in the future. If the authorities press charges, they may face up to 14 years in prison.


No harm?



If you think that's OK, then why do you have a problem with vandalism?

Sanctity of person over property.



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SvennoJ said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

If the Government is abusing anti terrorism laws to harm UK citizens then why do all the arrests for supporting PA result on no convictions and immediate release? Not doing a very good job of abusing the terrorism laws to harm UK citizens are they?

Isn't that proving the point that the proscription is meaningless...

All that the UK has done is bring tons more attention and support to Palestine Action. The judiciary is not having it, they don't want to prosecute people for wearing a T-shirt. 


And this is still abusing the terrorism laws to harm UK citizens

https://www.jurist.org/news/2025/08/over-400-activists-arrested-at-palestine-action-protest-in-london/

Police said they invoked Section 60AA of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act of 1994, which grants police officers the authority to demand the removal of of any signs or clothing “expressing support” for a “proscribed group.”

The MPS noted that the individuals were sent to “Prisoner Processing Points in the Westminster area,” where they were released on bail, conditional upon their not participating in any protest led by Palestine Action in the future. If the authorities press charges, they may face up to 14 years in prison.


No harm?



If you think that's OK, then why do you have a problem with vandalism?

Sanctity of person over property.

You think that picture is proof of harm being done? She's displeased because she's being arrested, and no-one likes being arrested. When you get arrested, the police often have to use force, because people very rarely just happily accept they're being arrested and just casually walk with you to the police car.

Well, if they won't prosecute and actually have consequences for supporting PA then I agree with you it is pointless having them prescribed as terror organisation. I suspect though, they are giving people a warning to stop now, but in the future there will be much heavier penalties, like losing access to your bank account etc. It might escalate even further than that. 



Hardstuck-Platinum said:

You think that picture is proof of harm being done? She's displeased because she's being arrested, and no-one likes being arrested. When you get arrested, the police often have to use force, because people very rarely just happily accept they're being arrested and just casually walk with you to the police car.

Well, if they won't prosecute and actually have consequences for supporting PA then I agree with you it is pointless having them prescribed as terror organisation. I suspect though, they are giving people a warning to stop now, but in the future there will be much heavier penalties, like losing access to your bank account etc. It might escalate even further than that. 

Not just physical harm to her person, she is subjected to police intimidation, rounded up as a criminal and released on bail, forbidden to join another protest.

Not just harm to those arrested, far greater harm to UK's reputation as well as that to UK's police force. The police losing more respect from the population only makes their real job harder.


And yes they are testing the waters whether they can get away with this before starting with heavier penalties. THAT precisely is why it is of utmost importance to nip this attack on free speech in the bud.

https://www.jurist.org/news/2025/08/over-400-activists-arrested-at-palestine-action-protest-in-london/

In July, UN Human Rights Chief Volker Türk warned that the ban of Palestine Action under the act was an over-extension of counter-terrorism powers to non-terrorist conduct. He stated that the decision to designate the organization as a terrorist group was disproportionate, violating freedom of expression and assembly.

According to the Network for Police Monitoring (NETPOL), the criminalization of support for the group is a political move aiming to shut down solidarity campaigns for the Palestinians. Particularly, NETPOL noted that the broad and poorly defined anti-terrorism law gives police powers that could be abused in racist and Islamophobic ways.



Tide is slowly turning, West Bank is getting attention from Sky News. Well over a year since the ICJ confirmed the occupation as illegal.
https://www.icj-cij.org/node/204176



Is Israel using Gaza tribal militias to help ethnic cleansing?

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2025/8/12/is-israel-using-gaza-tribal-militias-to-help-ethnic-cleansing

In June, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu admitted to arming and supporting the Popular Forces militia in Gaza to oppose Hamas.

“What’s wrong with this?” he said in a short video he tweeted. “It only saves the lives of Israeli soldiers.” He did not clarify what the Popular Forces would do exactly, but experts believe Israel is backing the militia and its leader, Yasser Abu Shabab, to put a Palestinian face on the ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

The 31-year-old Abu Shabab, a previously unknown member of Gaza’s Tarabin Bedouin tribe, escaped prison around October 7, having been imprisoned since 2015 for drug-related charges.

Drugs are reportedly smuggled into Gaza through Egypt’s Sinai and, according to analysts, are run by ISIL-affiliated groups. This has led to a widespread belief that Abu Shabab has ISIL (ISIS) links. But Abu Shabab’s alleged affiliation with ISIL has not been an issue for Israel; analysts say it is using him to advance its ethnic cleansing plans in Gaza.

Abu Shabab, who leads the 100-man-strong Popular Forces militia, is an elementary school dropout, according to Muhammad Shehada, a visiting fellow with the European Council on Foreign Relations. Despite this, he has a sophisticated and multilingual social media presence, and he recently penned an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal claiming that Palestinians in Gaza were done with Hamas.

Analysts believe his refined media presence is likely honed outside Gaza. “He’s not been in touch with society for the last decade,” Shehada said. “He’s a nobody. He’s basically a front guy.” His own tribe, the Tarabin, does not approve of his role in Gaza today, making a rare public statement disavowing him for allegedly collaborating with Israel.


Abu Shabab began to rise to prominence in late May 2024 after Israel invaded Rafah, in southern Gaza.

“His gang emerges a month later and becomes the main gang that loots the overwhelming majority of food and aid that’s going into Gaza systematically under [Israeli military] protection,” Shehada said.

About nine out of 10 trucks entering Gaza have been looted, according to United Nations statistics. Israel initially blamed Hamas for the looting, but humanitarian groups refuted that claim, and even the Israeli military was unable to find any proof that that was the case.

Instead, international aid workers say it was Abu Shabab who was systematically looting the aid. An internal UN memo obtained by the Washington Post specifically named Abu Shabab “the main and most influential stakeholder behind systematic and massive looting” in Gaza.

During the brief ceasefire that Israel unilaterally broke in March, Abu Shabab disappeared, only to reappear in mid-May when Israel, under immense international pressure, started to allow a trickle of aid back into Gaza.

“Literally on that day, he emerges again out of nowhere,” Shehada said.“ He’s been the face of Israel’s hunger campaign,” Shehada said, “while giving Israel full deniability of it and outsourcing the thing.”


A Palestinian face to ethnic cleansing

Beyond the stealing of aid meant for starving Palestinians, analysts said Abu Shabab and his militia are contributing to a wider Israeli plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza, which has been intensifying this year.

“Israel is in the process of trying to build up the militias associated with Abu Shabab in hopes that they can expand the concentration camp zones over which those militias can operate/control so that Israel can reduce the burden of occupation while facilitating the ethnic cleansing,” Tariq Kenney Shawa, the US policy fellow at Al-Shabaka, a Palestinian policy network, told Al Jazeera.

Abu Shabab’s militia has been building what analysts are calling concentration camps in southern Gaza, in an effort to drive more than half a million Palestinians there before being displaced to third countries.

“The intention is to hold them there until an opportunity arises to send them elsewhere outside of Gaza, be that Egypt or any number of third countries,” Omar Rahman, a fellow at the Middle East Council on Global Affairs, said.

“Israel understands that if the [Israeli army] operates a concentration camp in Rafah, it wouldn’t look very nice,” Shehada told Al Jazeera, adding that Israel would prefer “a Palestinian face that’s dressed in Palestinian uniforms with a Palestinian flag and speaking in Arabic” as the face of such an operation.

In addition, he said, Abu Shabab has “two very well-oiled Facebook propaganda machineries” that could convince desperate people to seek shelter in his camps, “especially if Israel [begins] forcefully pushing people there.”

“Abu Shabab’s militia is running smaller concentration camps within areas Israel controls and has advertised them as ‘safe havens’ for people to come get aid and set up tents and such,” Kenney Shawa said.



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Assaults by Israeli soldiers become a daily reality in occupied West Bank’s Sebastia

On July 2, Khaled Azem was pulled from his car at a checkpoint in the northern occupied West Bank. Israeli soldiers beat and humiliated him, forcing him to say: “I love Israel”, while filming him on his phone, then posting it to his social media.

Azem, 25, and his brother-in-law had just left home in Sebastia, a village to the northwest of Nablus, to work on a construction site. That’s when he fell victim to one of the increasing attacks that villagers say are part of Israel’s plan to drive Palestinians out.

Israel has purportedly set its sights on Sebastia because it’s an important archaeological site believed to be among the oldest continuously inhabited places in the occupied West Bank.


Israeli forces raid town south of Jenin

Israeli forces have stormed the town of Meithalun, south of Jenin in the occupied West Bank, the Wafa news agency reports. Israeli troops were reported to have spread out at the town’s eastern entrance and around several residential buildings.

Israeli raids on towns and villages across the Jenin governorate have intensified since the start of the army’s large-scale assault on the city and its refugee camp on January 21. Much of the city is now destroyed, while thousands of families have been forced to flee.



Israeli drone attacks wound three in Lebanon

At least three people have been wounded in an Israeli raid on Naqoura, southern Lebanon. Lebanon’s Health Ministry reported that the attack was carried out by an Israeli drone.

UN criticises Israeli delays in Gaza aid clearances

The UN has reported significant delays and obstructions in coordinating humanitarian missions in Gaza, warning that Israeli security clearances are wasting “precious time” critical to aid delivery.

“On Monday, we requested to coordinate with the Israeli security service’s 16 missions, including the collection of food, medical supplies, and fuel from the two operational crossings, Kareem Shalom and Zikim,” UN spokesperson Stephane Dujarric said during a news conference.

Of those 16 missions, he said, four were facilitated, three denied, and four impeded but eventually fully accomplished.

He also noted that two missions were cancelled by their organisations, while others involving food and health supplies were impeded or remain ongoing.

“Efforts to coordinate humanitarian movements often drag on for hours due to the unpredictable clearances by the Israeli authorities, wasting precious time,” Dujarric said.



Main events on August 12th

  • At least 73 Palestinians have been killed in Israeli attacks across Gaza since dawn.
  • Gaza’s Government Media Office says Israel is still blocking the entry of more than 430 food items, including frozen meat, fish, dairy and vegetables.
  • Two more people have died of malnutrition: a six-year-old boy and a 30-year-old man. Gaza’s Health Ministry says 227 people have died of malnutrition since the war began.
  • A Hamas delegation has arrived in Egypt for more talks on securing a ceasefire deal, which comes as Israel pushes ahead with a phased occupation strategy.
  • Australia, Canada, Japan, the UK and 23 European allies say the humanitarian crisis in Gaza has reached “unimaginable levels” and call on Israel to allow more aid into the territory. Germany and Hungary did not sign the statement.
  • Netanyahu will be required to testify three times a week in his corruption trial, starting in November, judges overseeing the case have ruled, according to Israeli media.

 





UN chief warns Israel, Russia over reports of sexual abuse by armed forces

United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres has put Israel and Russia “on notice” that their armed forces and security personnel could be listed among parties “credibly suspected” of committing sexual violence in conflict zones.

The warning on Tuesday resulted from “significant concerns regarding patterns of certain forms of sexual violence that have been consistently documented by the United Nations”, Guterres wrote in a report seen by the Reuters news agency.

In his annual report to the UN Security Council on conflict-related sexual violence, Guterres said that Israel and Russia could be listed next year among the parties “credibly suspected of committing or being responsible for patterns of rape or other forms of sexual violence”.


In his warning to Israel, Guterres said he was “gravely concerned about credible information of violations by Israeli armed and security forces” against Palestinians in several prisons, a detention centre and a military base.

“Cases documented by the United Nations indicate patterns of sexual violence such as genital violence, prolonged forced nudity and repeated strip searches conducted in an abusive and degrading manner,” Guterres wrote.

Because Israel has denied access to UN monitors, it has been “challenging to make a definitive determination” about patterns, trends and the systematic use of sexual violence by its forces, he said, urging Israel’s government “to take the necessary measures to ensure immediate cessation of all acts of sexual violence, and make and implement specific time-bound commitments.”

The UN chief said these should include investigations of credible allegations, clear orders and codes of conduct for military and security forces that prohibit sexual violence, and unimpeded access for UN monitors.

In March, UN-backed human rights experts accused Israel of “the systematic use of sexual, reproductive and other gender-based violence”.

The Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel said it documented a range of violations perpetrated against Palestinian women, men, girls and boys, and accused Israeli forces of rape and sexual violence against Palestinian detainees.

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In the case of Russia, Guterres wrote that he was “gravely concerned about credible information of violations by Russian armed and security forces and affiliated armed groups”, primarily against Ukrainian prisoners of war, in 50 official and 22 unofficial detention facilities in Ukraine and Russia.

“These cases comprised a significant number of documented incidents of genital violence, including electrocution, beatings and burns to the genitals, and forced stripping and prolonged nudity, used to humiliate and elicit confessions or information,” he said.

Guterres said that Russian authorities have not engaged with his special envoy on the matter.