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SvennoJ: Please do not post silly Pro-Palestinian propaganda Youtube videos.
Also your idea of equalling the 1940s concentration camps with the Gaza strip is appaling, whichever side one is on in the conflict.

We all agree the situation in the near east is inacceptable but there does not seem to be even a complicated solution.
Blame it on the British mandate and their silly dividing up the region, blame it on Israel winning the war seconds after the Arab states invaded Israel after the Brits were out, blame it on the Arabic states that never cared a second for the Palestinians (they always were and are considered useful tools against Israel, nothing more), blame it on the Hamas people, blame it on the Palestinians that never resisted Hamas taking over "their country".

Just stop with your purely Anti-Israel postings. There are no winners and there are no losers in this conflict.



drkohler said:

SvennoJ: Please do not post silly Pro-Palestinian propaganda Youtube videos.
Also your idea of equalling the 1940s concentration camps with the Gaza strip is appaling, whichever side one is on in the conflict.

We all agree the situation in the near east is inacceptable but there does not seem to be even a complicated solution.
Blame it on the British mandate and their silly dividing up the region, blame it on Israel winning the war seconds after the Arab states invaded Israel after the Brits were out, blame it on the Arabic states that never cared a second for the Palestinians (they always were and are considered useful tools against Israel, nothing more), blame it on the Hamas people, blame it on the Palestinians that never resisted Hamas taking over "their country".

Just stop with your purely Anti-Israel postings. There are no winners and there are no losers in this conflict.

Which video are you referring to. Tbh, I often don't spend the time actually watching them, just post them with the description. Blame it on the You Tube AI ;) It's what comes in my feed.

What would you equate what's happening in the Gaza strip and military detention camps to? I'm not equating it to the end result, the holocaust, yet it is very much like a concentration camp.

concentration camp, internment centre for political prisoners and members of national or minority groups who are confined for reasons of state security, exploitation, or punishment, usually by executive decree or military order. Persons are placed in such camps often on the basis of identification with a particular ethnic or political group rather than as individuals and without benefit either of indictment or fair trial.

Administrative detention in Sde Teiman detention camp fits all that. Gaza is confined as well, and Israel is deporting more people into Gaza.

The war you're referring to came years after the indigenous population was already being slaughtered and displaced. That's why the Arab states invaded after the Brits up and left, ending any little protection the indigenous people there still had.

Hamas arose as a result of the occupation and continuing ethnic cleansing. The Palestinians didn't resist Hamas as it was the only group fighting for their right to freedom. Fatah basically sold the Palestinians out with the Oslo Accords which led to the mess they're in now.

The Arabic states are indeed too busy counting money, yet Qatar and Saudi Arabia are very much involved. Next to Yemen, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iran, Iraq, Egypt. They all are kept unstable and poor though by Western interference.


There are lots of losers in this conflict, Palestinians, Jews, Lebanese, Syrians, International Law, Humanitarian Law, Aid organizations, UN. All because one man, Netanyahu, has his mind dead set on staying in power by preventing a Palestinian state from ever happening, since 1996.



Six Palestinians confirmed dead in Israeli strike on Khan Younis

The civil defence agency says at least six people are confirmed dead in the Israeli attack.

Gaza’s civil defence says its teams pulled out the bodies of three Palestinians after a residential home that belonged to the al-Qaoud family was targeted in an Israeli air strike in Gaza’s southernmost city.

This brings the total number of Palestinians killed across the enclave today to at least 47, medical sources tell Al Jazeera.



Israeli forces raid occupied West Bank town

Israeli soldiers stormed the town of Sebastia, northwest of Nablus, according to Wafa news agency. Citing Mayor Mohammed Azem, Wafa reported that Israeli forces entered the town with “heavy gunfire and tear gas bombs” leading to confrontations.


More violent Israeli raids in the occupied West Bank

Palestinian media outlets shared footage of Israeli forces storming the town of Anabta, located east of Tulkarem. The videos have been verified by Al Jazeera. In other footage posted on social media, a Palestinian was injured by Israeli gunfire near the “Rachel’s Tomb” camp, north of Bethlehem, in the occupied West Bank.


Israeli settlers pepper-spray Palestinian woman, children

The Palestine Red Crescent Society says Palestinians, including a woman and two children, were injured as Israelis from illegal settlements attacked them with pepper spray in the village of Deir Nidham near Ramallah.

The wounded were taken to a hospital in the occupied West Bank after they suffered burns to their faces from the pepper spray, according to witnesses. Settlers also attacked vehicles with stones along a road near Deir Nidham and the village of Umm Safa.



Elite Radwan Force commander killed, Hezbollah confirms

Hezbollah confirmed the death of senior military official Ibrahim Aqil in an Israeli air strike in Beirut.

In a statement, Hezbollah described Aqil as “a great jihadist leader” and said he “joined the procession of his brothers, the great martyr leaders, after a blessed life full of jihad [struggle], work, wounds, sacrifices, dangers, challenges, achievements, and victories”.

Israeli officials earlier said the rare strike on Beirut’s southern suburbs killed Aqil, a commander of the Lebanese group’s elite Radwan Force. The strike killed at least 14 people and wounded dozens more, according to Lebanon’s Health Ministry.



Lebanese FM warns of regional escalation amid Israeli attacks

Lebanon’s Foreign Minister Abdallah Bou Habib has warned that Israeli attacks on his country may lead to an “unprecedented” and “devastating” regional war. In an address at the UN, Bou Habib accused Israel of acting like a “rogue state that disregards international legitimacy”.

He said the international community should not allow Israel to continue with its “impunity”.


UN condemns Lebanon device blasts as violation of international law

The United Nations has condemned the detonation of hand-held communication devices that killed 37 people in Lebanon.

“It is a war crime to commit violence intended to spread terror among civilians,” the UN’s high commissioner for human rights, Volker Turk, told the Security Council during an emergency session on Lebanon requested by Algeria.

He also repeated his call for an “independent, rigorous and transparent” investigation into the attack that injured nearly 3,000 people.

Beirut’s top diplomat, meanwhile, accused Israel of orchestrating what he called a “terror” attack.



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Hezbollah ‘financier’ pleads guilty to evading US sanctions

Mohammad Ibrahim Bazzi, accused of being a “financier” for Hezbollah, has appeared in a US court accused of evading financial sanctions against him and his organisation, which the US has designated a “terrorist” group.

Bazzi who has Lebanese, British and Belgian citizenship, “accepted responsibility for his role in conspiring to secretly move hundreds of thousands of dollars from the United States to Lebanon in violation of sanctions placed on him for assisting the terrorist group Hezbollah”, US prosecutor Breon Peace was quoted as saying by the AFP news agency.

Bazzi faces up to 20 years in jail, as well as deportation. He will also have to forfeit the $828,528 involved in the illegal transactions. No date has yet been set for sentencing.


Hedge fund manager put on leave for celebrating Gaza destruction

Steven Eisman, who is known for his big winning bet against the US housing market before its collapse in 2008, dramatised in the movie “The Big Short”, has been put on leave after he celebrated the death and destruction in Gaza.

“You must be kidding. We are not silent. We are celebrating,” Eisman wrote in response to an X user who posted that the world was silent about Gaza.

Neuberger Berman, Eisman’s firm, called his actions “objectionable” and said he did not speak on their behalf. A company spokesperson said the leave was effective immediately.

Eisman has deleted his X account and apologised, explaining that he intended to celebrate Israel’s wave of attacks against Hezbollah in Lebanon instead.

“I posted about that multiple times, one time inadvertently in response to a post referencing deaths in Gaza and having nothing to do with Lebanon,” Eisman wrote. “When this was pointed out to me, I immediately deleted my post and I regret the mistake.”

Yeah that's much better....


US lawmaker condemns racist cartoon showing her with exploding pager

Rashida Tlaib has condemned a cartoon published in the conservative magazine National Review depicting her seated next to an exploding pager as racist.

“Our community is already in so much pain right now. This racism will incite more hate + violence against our Arab & Muslim communities, and it makes everyone less safe. It’s disgraceful that the media continues to normalize this racism,” the only Palestinian American lawmaker in the US Congress wrote on X.

The cartoon, created by journalist Henry Payne, portrayed a woman at her desk next to an exploding pager – a reference to Israel’s detonation of Hezbollah communications devices in successive days of deadly attacks in Lebanon.

On the desk is a name card reading “Rep Tlaib”, while the woman says: “ODD. MY PAGER JUST EXPLODED”.



Japanese firm says highly unlikely exploding devices were its products

Icom, the Japanese maker of the brand of walkie-talkies linked to explosions targeting Lebanese group Hezbollah, says it could not have made the devices.

“In light of multiple pieces of information that have been revealed so far, chances are extremely low that the wireless devices that exploded were our products,” Icom said in a Friday statement.

Pictures of the Hezbollah walkie-talkies that exploded on Wednesday, killing 20 people and injuring hundreds of others in an attack blamed on Israel, showed labels reading “ICOM” and “made in Japan”.

In the wake of the explosions, Yoshiki Enomoto, a director at Icom, told reporters outside the company’s headquarters in Osaka that “there’s no way a bomb could have been integrated into one of our devices during manufacturing”.

“The process is highly automated and fast-paced, so there’s no time for such things,” he said.



UN Security Council holds emergency meeting after Lebanon blasts

The UN Security Council has held an emergency meeting following blasts that hit communication devices across Lebanon earlier this week. UN Human Rights chief Volker Turk said the attacks constituted a violation of international law.

“These attacks represent a new development in warfare, where communication tools become weapons simultaneously exploding across marketplaces, on street corners and in homes as daily life unfolds,” said Turk.

At least 37 people, including civilians, were killed in the attacks. Lebanon blamed Israel and demanded the Security Council call out the perpetrators and condemn the attack.

“Isn’t this terrorism? When you target a whole population in their cities, streets, markets, shops, and homes while they tend to their daily life,” Lebanon’s Foreign Minister Abdallah Bou Habib said.

Israel did not claim responsibility. It blamed Hezbollah for the cross-border escalation of rocket attacks, which have displaced tens of thousands of civilians on both sides.



Israeli Radio: Source alerted authorities to meeting of top Hezbollah leaders in Beirut

According to the Israeli Radio, a “reliable intelligence source” provided information about the planned meeting of senior leaders of Hezbollah’s elite Radwan Force, leading to Friday’s deadly attack.

Among those killed in the attack on Dahiyeh in the southern suburbs of Lebanon’s capital Beirut was senior Hezbollah commander Ibrahim Aqil.

Hezbollah confirmed Aqil was killed hours after the Israeli military said it had “eliminated” him in an attack that also killed 13 other people.


US Middle East envoy says ‘nobody sheds a tear’ for slain Hezbollah commander


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Brett McGurk said while the Biden administration isn’t sad about Israel’s killing of Ibrahim Aqil in a strike on a Beirut suburb on Friday, it has reservations over the move given the risk of regional escalation.

“Ibrahim Aqil, who was killed today, was responsible for the Beirut embassy bombing 40 years ago. So nobody sheds a tear for him,” McGurk, the White House coordinator for the Middle East and North Africa, said at the Israeli-American Council’s conference in Washington.

“That said, we have disagreements with the Israelis on tactics and how you kind of measure escalation risk. It is a very concerning situation. I’m very confident that through diplomacy, through deterrence and other means, we’ll work our way out of it.”

McGurk added that while the US “fully stands” with Israel, it does not “think a war in Lebanon is the way to achieve the objective to return people to their homes”.

“We want a diplomatic settlement to the north. That is the objective, and that’s what we’re working towards,” he said.


Hezbollah names another commander killed in Israeli attack on Beirut

The Lebanese group has now named all 14 men killed in the strike, with Ahmad Mahmoud Wahabi, a senior Hezbollah commander and part of the elite Radwan Force’s top command, confirmed among the casualties.

Wahabi is the second senior member of the Radwan Force’s leadership, after Ibrahim Aqil, to be confirmed dead following the Israeli military’s strike on a building in a Beirut suburb on Friday.

As we reported earlier, Israeli media reports claimed that a “reliable intelligence source” had provided information to the Israeli military about the planned meeting of senior Radwan Force leaders, resulting in the attack.



Israel knew there would be civilian casualties



Five children were killed in this attack in Beirut yesterday. The latest figures suggest that at least 13 people died and almost 50 were wounded, but we are waiting for a final figure to come from the Lebanese Health Ministry.


There are still people that we think might be under the rubble of those buildings. This was a strike on a residential area.

Let’s compare this to the assassination of Hamas’s number two, Saleh al-Arouri, in Beirut earlier this year. That was a very surgical drone strike on a room in an office building. I was there.

Yesterday’s attack was several attacks, several drone missiles that basically brought down almost two buildings. Israel knew that there would be civilian casualties and it went ahead and did it anyway. And that’s what the Lebanese are saying, that, once again, Israel is acting with absolute immunity.

The big conversation across Lebanon is what’s going to happen next.



Beirut attack indicates how robust Israeli intelligence is

According to official Israeli radio, which was quoting a senior Israeli security source, a tip provided by a reliable intelligence asset was what spurred them on to carry out this attack.

It really is an indication of the robust intelligence that Israel’s government and military have on the ground, not just in Lebanon, but in the occupied Palestinian territory and in Syria. This is not the first time in the past year that they’ve carried out assassinations of senior Hezbollah commanders.

Israel is doubling down. They think that forcing Hezbollah through monstering them with military strikes, in multiple areas, on multiple fronts, of varying ferocity, will force it to make some kind of tactical retreat. Netanyahu said, “Our goals are clear, our actions speak for themselves.” Gallant said, “We will continue pursuing our enemies in order to defend our citizens, even in Beirut.”



Lebanon Health Ministry news conference

Lebanon’s Health Minister Firass Abiad is holding a news conference following the Israeli attack on Beirut yesterday.

Lebanon’s Health Minister says at least 31 people, including three children and seven women, were killed in the Israeli attack on southern Beirut yesterday. Another 68 people were wounded in the attack, he added.

The three children among the 31 killed in Israel’s attack on southern Beirut yesterday were aged four, six and 10, Lebanon’s Health Minister said.

Here are the key points Lebanon’s Health Minister Firass Abiad made during his live news conference:

  • The 31 people killed in Friday’s attack included three children, seven women as well as three Syrians.
  • A total of 68 people wounded during the attack were transferred to 12 hospitals. Fifteen are still in hospitals, including two who are in critical condition.
  • The total death toll from the pager explosions, walkie-talkie attack and drone attack this week is 70.
  • Another 177 wounded people from all three attacks remain in hospital. Of those, 152 are in intensive care, and 2,078 surgeries have taken place since the start of the attacks.
  • An attack on civilians is a war crime.
  • The Lebanese healthcare system has enough medicine and supplies for up to four months but it needs to be prepared for an expanded Israeli aggression.

Lebanon’s Interior Minister Bassam Mawlawi said  that the country has entered a “decisive” phase after the attacks on a residential suburb of southern Beirut.

Mawlawi said everything must be done to prevent further violations of Lebanese territory and avoid further deterioration of the security situation. The minister added that the Central Internal Security Council was uncovering the “networks” used by Israel to carry out its attacks.


Israel ‘dragging region into war’: Lebanese ministry

Lebanon’s Minister of Public Works and Transport Ali Hamieh has said the bombing of a residential building in Beirut’s southern neighbourhood constituted a “war crime” and claimed Israel was “dragging the region into a war”.

Speaking to our colleagues at Al Jazeera Arabic, Hamieh said the raid was an attack on the “laws that govern the international community”.

He added that 23 people, including children and women, were still missing under the rubble.


Israeli attacks in Lebanon take disrespect for international law to new level

The Israeli attacks in Lebanon over the past week have serious implications for international law, Ibrahim Fraihat, professor in international conflict resolution at the Doha Institute for Graduate Studies, said.

“What we are seeing in Lebanon takes the disrespect of international humanitarian law to a [new] level,” Fraihat told Al Jazeera. “These violations are being normalised by the silence of the West.”

He said Israel was emboldened by the West’s inaction in Gaza and by its “double standard” compared with Russia’s war in Ukraine. He also warned that the escalation of tensions in Lebanon was bound to divert attention from Gaza, allowing for more human rights violations to take place there.



One killed in Israeli strike on southern Lebanon

Lebanon’s Health Ministry has issued a statement saying a Syrian national was killed in an Israeli strike in Wadi Hamool, southern Lebanon.


Israeli army says more Hezbollah targets attacked

The Israeli army says it launched more attacks on Hezbollah targets in Lebanon. Our colleagues on the ground reported more than 15 attacks on southern Lebanon in 15 minutes.

The Israeli Broadcasting Authority said the Israeli army is asking the residents of Safad, the occupied Golan Heights and the Upper Galilee to stay near the protected areas.


Israel imposes restrictions on flights in its north

The Israeli airspace from the coastal city of Hadera and northward is closed, according to The Times of Israel citing Israel’s aviation authority.

The notice is valid for 24 hours and largely only affects recreational and agricultural flights, the report said, adding that it does not apply to emergency fights by the military, police, firefighters, medical evacuations or flights servicing oil rigs.

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