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SvennoJ said:

Israel needs to resettle Gaza so ‘Nazis don’t annihilate us’: Finance minister

Bezalel Smotrich, the ultranationalist finance minister, says Israel must resettle the Gaza Strip or it will need to contend with “two million Nazis who want to annihilate us”.

Smotrich, a champion of illegal West Bank settlements, has repeatedly made inflammatory remarks about Israel’s post-war intentions in Gaza. He recently sparked an international outcry over his comments calling for Palestinians in Gaza to leave. Before the war, Smotrich sparked a backlash after saying the Palestinian people are “an invention” of the past century.

WTF, is he actually suggesting a new Madagascar Plan???

Yes, and was already put together on Oct 13.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-palestinians-concept-paper-1.7015576

An Israeli government document suggesting the mass relocation of Gaza's 2.3 million people to Egypt's Sinai Peninsula is fuelling concerns about the possible ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

The leaked document, first reported in Israeli media, was compiled by an Israeli government research agency known as the Intelligence Ministry and was dated Oct. 13 — six days after Hamas led deadly attacks on Israel and the Israeli government declared war against the Palestinian militant group, which controls Gaza.



"In the first stage, tent cities will be established in the area of Sinai," it reads. "The next stage includes the establishment of a humanitarian zone to assist the civilian population of Gaza and the construction of cities in a resettled area in northern Sinai."

https://www.972mag.com/intelligence-ministry-gaza-population-transfer/



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Day 2 of the genocide case at the ICJ, Israel's response:

South Africa presented "profoundly distorted factual and legal picture," argues Israel


Legal adviser to Israel's Foreign Ministry Tal Becker, left, and British jurist Malcolm Shaw

Israel said South Africa presented to the UN's top court a "profoundly distorted factual and legal picture," as the second and final day of the hearing on Israel's genocide case began. "The entirety of its case hinges on a deliberately curated, decontextualized and manipulative description of the reality of current hostilities," said Tal Becker, one of the lawyers representing Israel, in his opening remarks at the International Court of Justice on Friday.

Becker said Israel was "singularly aware" of why the genocide convention was adopted. "Seared in our collective memory is the systematic murder of six million Jews, as part of a premeditated and heinous program for their total annihilation," he said. Becker argued that the convention should not have been invoked in this case.

"The genocide convention was not designed to address the brutal impact of intensive hostilities on the civilian population," he argued. Instead, it was designed "to address a malevolent crime of the most exceptional severity."

He criticized South Africa for "weaponizing" the term "genocide" against Israel, adding "we live in a time when words are cheap."
"The attempt to weaponize the term 'genocide' against Israel in the present context does more than tell the court a grossly distorted story, and it does more than empty the word of its unique force and special meaning. It subverts the object and purpose of the convention itself, with ramifications for all states seeking to defend themselves against those who demonstrate total disdain for life and for the law," he said."

Israel slams ICJ case as a "libel" aiming to "deny Israel the right to defend itself"


“It is respectfully submitted that the application and request should be dismissed for what they are: a libel designed to deny Israel the right to defend itself according to the law from the unprecedented terrorist onslaught it continues to face and to free the 136 hostages Hamas still holds," said Tal Becker, one of the lawyers representing Israel.

Becker was echoing claims made by Israel ahead of the hearing at The Hague. Israeli officials called the accusation of genocide a "blood libel" by South Africa, a thinly veiled accusation of antisemitism. "What Israel seeks by operating in Gaza, is not to destroy a people, but to protect a people, its people, who are under attack on multiple fronts,” Becker said, adding that Israel is fighting Hamas terrorists not the civilian population.

He reaffirmed comments made by Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that Israel does not seek to "permanently occupy Gaza or to displace its civilian population."

If genocidal acts have been committed, they were "perpetrated against Israel," Israel argues

Israel shared multimedia, oral and written evidence of the atrocities committed by Hamas militants on October 7, during the hearing at the UN’s top court, arguing if genocidal acts had been committed, “they have been perpetrated against Israel.” Israel said it felt “compelled to share with the court some fraction of [October 7's] horror,” but stressed it knew this did not justify violations of the law in reply.

“We do so not because these acts, however sadistic and systematic, release Israel of its obligations to uphold the law as it defends its citizens and territory – that is unquestionable,” said Tal Becker, representing Israel. “We do so because it is impossible to understand the armed conflict in Gaza without appreciating the nature of the threat that Israel is facing, and the brutality and the lawlessness of the armed force confronting it.”

Becker argued that the acts of Hamas on October 7 were genocidal in nature, and provided evidence of Hamas' leaders "proudly declared agenda of annihilation." “The annihilationist language of Hamas’ charter is repeated regularly by its leaders, with the goal, in the words of one member of Hamas’ political bureau, of ‘the cleansing of Palestine of the filth of the Jews,’” Becker said "If there have been acts that may be characterized as genocidal, then they have been perpetrated against Israel,” he said.

The court was shown a video of an interview shortly after October 7, in which Ghazi Hamad, a senior Hamas leader, told a Lebanese TV channel: “We will do this again and again.” He said the attack was “just the first time, and there will be a second, a third, a fourth.”
Becker argued the provisional measures requested by South Africa for the court to order Israel to suspend its military operations would deny Israel its ability  to “meet its obligations to the defense of its citizens, to the hostages, and to over 110,000 internally displaced Israelis unable to safely return to their homes.

Israel has the "inherent right" to take all legitimate measures to defend its citizens, he said.

Decisions made by Israeli leadership "lack any genocidal intent," argues Israel


Barrister Malcolm Shaw, center, speaks on behalf of the Israeli delegation

Israel has responded to claims put by South Africa to the UN’s top court on Thursday, alleging Israel’s leadership was “intent on destroying the Palestinians in Gaza.” Malcolm Shaw, a lawyer representing Israel, argued Israel’s leadership had not shown “genocidal intent” in the wake of Hamas’ October 7 attacks.

“Any careful review of the official and binding policy decisions made by the relevant authorities in Israel clearly evidence that such decisions lack any genocidal intent,” Shaw said. Shaw said some pronouncements made after October 7 were “rhetorical” and pointed instead to statements made by Israeli leaders asserting their country was complying with international law.

Among others, Shaw cited a later speech by Netanyahu on January 10. "Israel has no intention of permanently occupying Gaza or displacing its civilian population. Israel is fighting Hamas terrorists, not the Palestinian population, and we are doing so in full compliance with international law,” Netanyahu said. Shaw said such pronouncements “are indicative of the consistent and relentless commitment of Israeli relevant authorities to mitigate civilian harm and alleviate civilian suffering in Gaza.”

Israel argues it is complying with international humanitarian law in attacks on Gaza


Malcolm Shaw at the International Court of Justice

Israel told the UN’s top court it was taking actions to minimize civilian casualties during its aerial and ground assaults on Gaza and stressed its military was complying with international humanitarian law.

Article 51 of the UN charter, which governs the use of force, gives states the right of self-defense, provided the force they use is necessary and proportionate. Proportionality does not mean symmetry. It means the defending state cannot use more force than is needed to respond to a threat. Israel argued that its right to self-defense had been triggered by Hamas’ October 7 attack.

Once a conflict has begun, states are bound by “international humanitarian law” (IHL). Under IHL, all states must minimize civilian casualties. Intentionally directing attacks against civilians is always illegal, but an attack that kills civilians incidentally can be legal if it achieves a military purpose, provided the harm caused to civilians is not “excessive” in relation to the military advantage anticipated.

Malcolm Shaw argued Israel was responding “in a proportionate manner in each case,” pointing to evidence such as “forewarning civilians of a pending action by the unprecedented and extensive use of telephone calls, leafleting and so forth, coupled with the facilitation of humanitarian assistance.” Shaw said this “demonstrates the precise opposite of genocidal intent.”

“South Africa, in seeking to discover the necessary intent, presents a distorted picture,” he said.

Gaza evacuation orders prove "exact opposite" of genocidal intent as they limit civilian harm, argues Israel


Palestinians leave from the northern part of the Gaza to move to central and southern parts of Gaza on November 8

Israel responded to South Africa’s accusations that its warnings sent to Palestinians advising them to evacuate their homes in the north of Gaza was itself “genocidal,” arguing that such measures are designed to limit civilian harm.

South Africa on Thursday told the UN’s top court that the evacuation order issued by Israel to residents of northern Gaza on October 13 was “genocidal,” since “it required immediate movement… while no humanitarian assistance was permitted.” During its argument on Thursday, South Africa said Palestinians "have been been killed if they have failed to evacuate, in the places to which they have fled, and even while they have attempted to flee along Israeli-declared safe routes.”

Responding on Friday to the accusation, Israel described South Africa’s claims as “astonishing.” “A measure intended to mitigate harm to the civilian population… is proof, according to the Applicant, of Israel’s intent to commit genocide,” said Galit Raguan, a lawyer representing Israel. “In fact, it proves the exact opposite.”

Experts say international law requires a military force to notify a civilian population prior to an attack. “Under international law, before you attack, you must warn the civilian population if they’re going to be affected. And if you’re going to attack an entire city, as clearly the Israelis were going to, you need to tell the civilian population, as a legal requirement, we’re going to conduct operations and you need to move away from the fight,” Michael Schmitt, a professor of international law at the University of Reading in the United Kingdom, told CNN.

Raguan argued the Israeli military had invested “time, resources and intelligence” in order to “save civilian lives.”

In concluding remarks, Israel says it is witnessing "effort to pervert the meaning of the term 'genocide'"


Gilad Noam, Deputy Attorney-General for International Affairs

Israel said that the accusation of genocide brought against it by South Africa was an attempt to "pervert the meaning of the term 'genocide' itself."

In concluding remarks at the end of a two-day hearing at the International Court of Justice, Gilad Noam, representing Israel, urged the court not to grant South Africa's request for "provisional measures," which could lead to the court ordering Israel to pause its military campaign in Gaza.

If the court finds in South Africa's favor, Noam said it risks benefitting terrorist groups. “Entertaining the Applicant’s request will not strengthen the commitment to prevent and punish genocide, but weaken it. It will turn an instrument adopted by the international community to prevent horrors of the kind that shocked the conscience of humanity during the Holocaust, into a weapon in the hands of terrorist groups who have no regard for humanity or for the law," he said.

Noam argued that granting provisional measures would "lead to a perverse situation," since it "would effectively allow Hamas to continue attacking the citizens of Israel" while constraining Israel's ability to defend itself. Noam said if "resort to force in self-defense against an enemy hiding behind civilians can be portrayed as genocide and trigger provisional measures," then "an an inevitable tension will be created between the genocide convention and states defending themselves against the ever increasing capacities of terrorist organizations."

Noam concluded: In living memory of the atrocities that gave birth to the term ‘genocide,’ in the aftermath of which the State of Israel was founded, we are witness to a concerted and cynical effort to pervert the meaning of the term ‘genocide’ itself."


Aren't they shooting themselves in the foot by claiming Hamas committed genocidal acts "If genocidal acts have been committed, they were perpetrated against Israel". If that's considered genocide then what do you call what Israel is doing in Gaza?

Anyway the facts after 3 months of systematic destruction of Gaza speak for themselves.



Airstrikes targeting Houthis in Yemen were conducted as a means of "self-defense," UK prime minister says

The United States and United Kingdom airstrikes targeting Houthis in Yemen were an act of “self-defense,” British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said on Friday. “Our aim is very clear. It's to deescalate tensions and to restore stability to the region. That's why allies over the past few weeks have issued several statements of condemnation of what's happening, calling on the Houthis to desist,” Sunak told journalists during a visit to Kyiv, Ukraine.

He also noted the United Nations Security Council resolution that condemned Houthis' attacks in the Red Sea, "saying that states have a right to self-defense. We have acted in self-defense.” Sunak said the Houthi attacks were risking innocent lives, disrupting the global economy and destabilizing the region. "We need to send a strong signal that this breach of international law is wrong. People can't act like this with impunity and that's why together with allies, we've decided to take this action,” he said.

US and UK strikes in Yemen were “necessary, proportionate, and targeted action against military targets to degrade and disrupt Houthi capability,” he added. Initial indications showed that the strikes were successful, he said, adding that “we'll continue to monitor the situation."



Five dead, Houthis say: The strikes killed five and wounded six others, according to the Houthi rebels' military spokesperson, Yahya Sare’e, on Friday. The Houthi spokesperson also said that they would continue their recent aggression against commercial ships in the Red Sea, with its leader calling the strikes “barbaric.” The Yemeni armed forces confirm that they will continue to prevent Israeli ships going to the ports of occupied Palestine from navigation in the Arab and Red Seas,” Sare’e stated.

Crude oil prices rise Friday after attacks on Houthi targets

Crude oil prices were up more than 2.5% on Friday after the United States and United Kingdom launched joint strikes on Houthi targets in Yemen.

The global economy has been served a series of painful reminders of the importance of disruption in the Red Sea, through which 12% of global trade flows, including 30% of global container traffic.

 

Protests break out in Yemen after US-UK attacks

Tens of thousands of Yemenis gatherer in several cities to hear their leaders condemn US and British strikes on their country in response to attacks by Houthis on Red Sea shipping. “Your strikes on Yemen are terrorism,” said Mohammed Ali Al-Houthi, a member of the Houthi Supreme Political Council, referring to the US. “The United States is the Devil.”

Protest in New York over US bombing of Yemen

Anti-war protesters have rallied in New York to protest the US and UK attacks on Yemen.

Video clips shared on social media show the protesters gathering in Times Square holding placards calling for an end to Israel’s occupation of Palestine and for the US bombing of Yemen to stop. The protesters chanted, “Hands off the Middle East”, “Hands off Yemen” and “Hands off Gaza”.

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Health Ministry: Almost 24,000 Palestinians killed in Gaza since October 7

At least 23,708 Palestinians have been killed and 60,005 wounded in Israeli attacks in the Gaza Strip since the start of the war, the Palestinian Health Ministry said. Some 151 Palestinians had been killed and 248 injured in the past 24 hours, the ministry added. About 7,000 others are missing under the rubble and presumed dead, but are not counted as part of the official death toll.

11 killed in Israeli bombardment on home in Deir el-Balah

Al Jazeera’s Ashraf Abu Amra reports that 11 people have been killed in an Israeli attack on the Fayyad family home in the Mashal’ah area, south of Deir el-Balah. The owner of the house, Bashir Fayyad, was killed along with his daughter and two sons. The home was hosting other displaced families. “The bodies reached the hospital in torn pieces,” Abu Amra said. “People were killed in tents set up near the house.”

Palestinians killed in Gaza City

Al Jazeera Arabic’s correspondent says an Israeli bombardment has targeted al-Sabra neighbourhood in Gaza City, resulting in a large number of people killed and wounded, with the civil defence saying its crews are unable to reach the casualties.

Another home in the southern city of Khan Younis was targeted, but it is unclear how many were killed or wounded.

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Israel has shown ‘recurring failures’ to uphold international law: UN

The UN human rights office says Israel had repeatedly failed to uphold international humanitarian law during its war on Gaza. “We’ve repeatedly highlighted Israel’s recurring failures to uphold the fundamental principles of international humanitarian law: distinction, proportionality and precautions in carrying out attacks,” said Elizabeth Throssell , spokesperson for the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (UHCHR).

“The High Commissioner has stressed that breaches of these obligations risk exposure to liability for war crimes and has also warned of the risks of other atrocity crimes.”

At least 330 killed while sheltering in UNRWA facilities

The UNRWA has reported that at least 330 people have been killed while sheltering in its facilities in the besieged Gaza Strip since the start of the war. It said there have been 230 instances of its premises and people sheltering inside coming under attack since the start of the war, with 66 different installations directly hit.

The organisation has said from about 2.3 million people living in the Strip, at least 1.4 million Palestinians are sheltering in its facilities, with another half a million staying in areas close to them.



UN says Israeli denials of access ‘paralysing’ Gaza aid

The latest report by the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) says the organisation’s aid efforts are affected by Israel’s denials of access.

In the first 11 days of the year, only five out of 24 planned aid deliveries of food, medicines, water and other lifesaving supplies to the north of Wadi Gaza proceeded. “Humanitarian partners were forced to cancel or delay missions in two instances due to excessive delays at Israeli checkpoints or because the agreed routes were unpassable,” it said, adding that only two of the five missions that were allowed in were able to fully deliver their aid.

“The ability of humanitarian partners to respond to the extensive needs in the northern part of Gaza is being curtailed by recurring denials of access for aid deliverers and lack of coordinated safe access by the Israeli authorities. These denials and severe access constraints paralyse the ability of humanitarian partners to respond meaningfully, consistently and at-scale.”



One percent of Gaza’s child population killed

After nearly 100 days of war in Gaza, more than 10,000 children – or 1 percent of the total child population on the Strip – have been killed, according to a new report by Save The Children. Children surviving the war are “enduring unspeakable horrors, including life-changing injuries, burns, disease, inadequate medical care, and losing their parents and other loved ones”, says the report.

Out of the thousands of injured children, at least 1,000 have lost one or both their legs, the report says. More than 10 children have lost at least one or both legs each day since the war began, with many of the amputations performed without anaesthesia.



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SvennoJ said:

Airstrikes targeting Houthis in Yemen were conducted as a means of "self-defense," UK prime minister says

The United States and United Kingdom airstrikes targeting Houthis in Yemen were an act of “self-defense,” British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said on Friday. “Our aim is very clear. It's to deescalate tensions and to restore stability to the region. That's why allies over the past few weeks have issued several statements of condemnation of what's happening, calling on the Houthis to desist,” Sunak told journalists during a visit to Kyiv, Ukraine.

He also noted the United Nations Security Council resolution that condemned Houthis' attacks in the Red Sea, "saying that states have a right to self-defense. We have acted in self-defense.” Sunak said the Houthi attacks were risking innocent lives, disrupting the global economy and destabilizing the region. "We need to send a strong signal that this breach of international law is wrong. People can't act like this with impunity and that's why together with allies, we've decided to take this action,” he said.

US and UK strikes in Yemen were “necessary, proportionate, and targeted action against military targets to degrade and disrupt Houthi capability,” he added. Initial indications showed that the strikes were successful, he said, adding that “we'll continue to monitor the situation."



Five dead, Houthis say: The strikes killed five and wounded six others, according to the Houthi rebels' military spokesperson, Yahya Sare’e, on Friday. The Houthi spokesperson also said that they would continue their recent aggression against commercial ships in the Red Sea, with its leader calling the strikes “barbaric.” The Yemeni armed forces confirm that they will continue to prevent Israeli ships going to the ports of occupied Palestine from navigation in the Arab and Red Seas,” Sare’e stated.

Crude oil prices rise Friday after attacks on Houthi targets

Crude oil prices were up more than 2.5% on Friday after the United States and United Kingdom launched joint strikes on Houthi targets in Yemen.

The global economy has been served a series of painful reminders of the importance of disruption in the Red Sea, through which 12% of global trade flows, including 30% of global container traffic.

 

Protests break out in Yemen after US-UK attacks

Tens of thousands of Yemenis gatherer in several cities to hear their leaders condemn US and British strikes on their country in response to attacks by Houthis on Red Sea shipping. “Your strikes on Yemen are terrorism,” said Mohammed Ali Al-Houthi, a member of the Houthi Supreme Political Council, referring to the US. “The United States is the Devil.”

Protest in New York over US bombing of Yemen

Anti-war protesters have rallied in New York to protest the US and UK attacks on Yemen.

Video clips shared on social media show the protesters gathering in Times Square holding placards calling for an end to Israel’s occupation of Palestine and for the US bombing of Yemen to stop. The protesters chanted, “Hands off the Middle East”, “Hands off Yemen” and “Hands off Gaza”.

Protests in New York over the US self defense bombing, protest in Yemen over the USA/British self defense bombings, no protests when the Houthhi attack the USA multiple times before the USA retaliated.  People are so easily manipulated.



To put the claim of "doing everything to protect civilians" under the loop


On Oct 7:

Authorities have identified a total of 274 soldiers and 859 non-soldiers killed during the brutal assault. The latter figure includes 57 Israel Police officers and 38 local security officers. It is unclear which of these individuals were on duty when killed. Removing those victims leaves a figure of 764 civilians.

Ignoring casualties from friendly fire (Israeli tanks shelling houses with hostages in them, hellfire missiles used at the Nova festival) that comes to 35% soldiers vs civilians deaths. (32% when including Police and Security with civilians, 48% when including those with soldiers)

Israel claims to have killed 8,000 Hamas terrorists with a death toll of 23,708 + 7,000 missing presumed dead. That would be 8,000 terrorists vs 22,700 civilians, or a 35% 'success rate'. (And that's basically assuming 90% of all male deaths are terrorists)

The most moral army can't even claim to do any better than the terrorists they're surgically targeting?
Hamas was more successful in targeting 'combatants' than the IDF?

The claim is "up to 9,000" now, 100% of males are terrorists... (70% of deaths in Gaza are women and children)



rapsuperstar31 said:

Protests in New York over the US self defense bombing, protest in Yemen over the USA/British self defense bombings, no protests when the Houthhi attack the USA multiple times before the USA retaliated.  People are so easily manipulated.

When did the Houthis attack the USA?

There were no protests when the US sunk 3 Houthi boats and killed 10 at sea. That was self defense. (Defense of the merchant ship under attack)



Germany jumps to the defense of Israel



Germany to intervene at ICJ in support of Israel

https://www.thejc.com/news/world/germany-to-intervene-at-icj-in-support-of-israel-poup9bno

Government officials say they oppose the ‘political instrumentalisation’ of the Genocide Convention against the Jewish state.

The German government does not believe Israel is committing genocide and will intervene as a third party at the International Court of Justice in defence of the Jewish state, the country announced earlier today.

https://verfassungsblog.de/why-germany-should-join-sides-with-israel-before-the-icj-in-its-defense-against-south-africas-accusation-of-genocide/

Self defense or genocide?

https://www.lto.de/recht/hintergruende/h/voelkermord-genozid-palaestina-igh-verhandelt-antrag-von-suedafrika-hamas-krieg/



What does international law say about self defense

https://www.justia.com/international-law/use-of-force-under-international-law/

The Use of Force in Self-Defense

Article 51 of the UN Charter acknowledges self-defense as an exception to the prohibition against the use of force. This provision explicitly allows a state to use force in response to an armed attack by another state. UN members must report actions taken in self-defense to the UN Security Council. Article 51 has been interpreted to incorporate the inherent rules of self-defense under customary international law, which provide that self-defense must be necessary and proportionate to the aggression.

When a state faces an imminent attack, it may have a right to act in anticipatory self-defense. Article 51 and other provisions of the UN Charter do not address this situation. However, customary international law recognizes the right of anticipatory self-defense when an armed attack is imminent and inevitable. If an attack is possible but not imminent, a state probably cannot launch a pre-emptive strike.

Israel’s War in Gaza is Not a Valid Act of Self-defence in International Law

https://opiniojuris.org/2023/11/09/israels-war-in-gaza-is-not-a-valid-act-of-self-defence-in-international-law/

Israel captured the Palestinian Gaza Strip and West Bank from, respectively, Egypt and Jordan, in the 1967 war it launched against these two states and Syria.* It claimed it was acting, pre-emptively, in self-defence against these states. The war was over, with Israel victorious, after six days. Despite that, and Israel subsequently entering into peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan, Israel maintained control of the captured territories through a military occupation—a continuation of the use of force that enabled their capture—in what has now been over half a century, in defiance of calls by the UN General Assembly to end this.

Israel’s removal of settlements and redeployment of its military presence as part of the operation of a land, sea and air blockade of the Gaza Strip, as well as its Oslo-accords-based allowance of qualified components of Palestinian self-administration in certain areas of the West Bank, amounted, ultimately, to a reconfiguration, not a partial ending, of this military occupation. It continues to occupy both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, because both territories remain subject to its continued overall military control.

Israel’s 1967 war was illegal as a matter of the international law on the use of force, the jus ad bellum—even, for the sake of argument, assuming the contested matter of Israel’s claim that it feared an attack from its three neighbours, states cannot lawfully use force in self-defence pre-emptively. Moreover, even if it had been lawful on this basis, the justification ended with Israel’s defeat of the three states. The standard justificatory requirements of the ad bellum test continue to apply to the occupation as itself a continuation of the use of force, and the test would not be met. Either way, then, Israel’s use of force through the occupation with respect to the Gaza Strip and the West Bank has been illegal since 1967.

What even accepting Israel’s own (invalid) legal justification was only lawful for six days has existed for fifty-six years. Given that the Palestinian people have a right to self-determination in international law, Israel has been obliged to terminate this use of force immediately, and every day it has continued, it has been an illegal use of force—an aggression—as a matter of the jus ad bellum, and a violation of this right of self-determination (see here, here, and here).

Israel’s failure to end the occupation gives rise to a right to resist in international law on the part of the Palestinian people. This is equivalent to the right that the Ukrainian people have to resist, and the right the Ukrainian state has to use force in self-defence against, Russia’s current war, including its occupation and purported annexation of certain areas, in Ukraine. The right does not justify the intentional targeting of civilians, or indiscriminate attacks that risk harming civilians, or the kidnapping of civilians, all of which are illegal in terms of being outside what is permitted by the right itself, and also illegal as violations of international humanitarian law, international human rights law, and international criminal law.

In this context, approaching Israel’s current military action in Gaza as if it is an isolated incident of the use of force, and asking whether Israel has a right to self-defence in international law justifying this action, is to fundamentally mischaracterize the situation. Israel’s current action is actually a re-configuration of the existing use of force it has exercised, in the form of the blockade (with episodic bombing and land incursions) and before that in its original boots-on-the-ground, and settlements, manifestation, adding new means and methods. To say that Israel has somehow a right to do this new, amplified form of an existing use of force in self-defence because of violent acts of resistance to the earlier form of the same use of force, even when such acts are illegal because they target civilians, and/or are indiscriminate attacks that risk harming civilians, and/or involve the kidnapping of civilians, is circular logic. The starting point for determining the legality of Israel’s current action has to be the ongoing use of force of which it is but the latest manifestation, and the question of whether that ongoing use of force was legally justified prior to recent events.

Israel never even claimed it captured the Gaza Strip and the West Bank in 1967 because of threats emanating from the Palestinian people there. If there was no original lawful basis for it to use force then, for that reason or any other, there cannot then be a basis to continue the use of force in response to violent acts of Palestinian resistance to the occupation. A justification for a new phase in an ongoing illegal use of force cannot be constructed solely out of the consequences of violent resistance to that illegal use of force. Otherwise, an illegal use of force would be rendered lawful simply because those subject to this force violently resisted it—a perverse outcome.

None of this means that the deliberate targeting of civilians, or indiscriminate attacks that risk harming civilians, or the taking of civilian hostages, are legally justified; as indicated, these are illegal. But such illegal actions do not justify, legally, the continuation and, within this, the ratcheting up, of Israel’s use of force in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, given that this use of force is illegal.


The article continues with examples, drawing parallels with WW2, Ukraine and further examination of the Oslo Accords.




Another take on the subject

https://www.jurist.org/commentary/2023/12/7-10-the-question-of-israels-right-to-self-defense-under-international-law/

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The primary objective of self-defense, as per Article 51, is to halt and repel an armed attack, including the possibility of expelling the aggressor if they have invaded the victim state’s territory. However, complexities arise when the attack has ceased, and the victim state seeks to defend itself against potential future threats. In such situations, the use of force can have preventive, punitive, deterrent, or combined purposes, leading to varied justifications and implications.

Distinguishing between “armed reprisals“ and “legitimate self-defense” actions involves several critical factors. One significant element is the absence of an armed attack, which might not meet the threshold required for a legitimate act of self-defense. Additionally, the punitive intent behind an action and the timing of the response are crucial in differentiating between a lawful act of self-defense and an unlawful armed reprisal. Despite the formal prohibition of armed reprisals, instances resembling such actions continue to occur, with involved states often justifying them as defensive measures. This disparity between formal rules and state practices creates challenges in defining the “legitimate aims and proportional use of force” in the “right to self-defense” within the scope of international law.

Within the notion of the “right to self-defense,” there are different theories. One theory, known as the “halting and repelling theory,” suggests that the use of force in self-defense is limited to stopping and repelling the ongoing armed attack. Another theory, the “trigger theory,” argues that once an armed attack has occurred, the victim state can defend itself against the aggressor and its potential threats, regardless of the attack’s scale. The “future attack theorysuggests that a state can use force not only to respond to the ongoing attack but also to prevent future attacks, even if they are not imminent. These theories reflect the ongoing debate about the legitimate aims and proportionality in self-defense under international law.

However, the question of whether self-defense is justified in response to an armed attack, especially when it stems from an armed group rather than another state, and whether the attack must materialize to legally invoke self-defense, remains a complex issue under debate among scholars. In the recent conflict between Israel and Hamas, firstly it is imperative to understand the geopolitical dynamics between the two entities. A critical consideration lies in the fact that a state (Israel) cannot maintain control over the territory (Western Bank and Gaza) it occupies while simultaneously launching military attacks because the occupied territory is “foreign” and poses an external national security threat. So, can the “right to self-defense” be exercised by the occupant (Israel) wherein it is already using police force to maintain law and order?

Under international law and community, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip have been duly recognized as militarily occupied territories since 1967. Israel, as the occupant, has the right to protect itself and its citizens from attacks by Palestinians within these territories. However, Israel also has a responsibility to maintain law and order, ensuring the security and well-being of the occupied population, as outlined in Regulation 43 of the Regulations concerning the Laws and Customs of War on Land. This legal framework allows the use of force for law enforcement purposes but emphasizes the need to prioritize civilian safety and use lethal force only as a last resort. These principles distinguish the right to self-defense from the right to police, both of which are governed by the laws of armed conflict and differ from peacetime human rights law regulations.

Under international law, once the conflict takes place, jus ad bellum presides over it. Thus, following the Regulations concerning the Laws and Customs of War on Land, when an occupation is already in place (Western Bank and Gaza Strip), the occupying state (Israel) cannot use militarized force in response to an armed attack; it can only use police force to restore order. Scholar Noura Erakat (Associate Professor at Rutgers University) in the context of Israel’s right to self-defense argued upon the importance of differentiation between “self-defense” and “defense” and asserted that the ambit of “self-defense is narrower and should not be confused with general notions of defense.” If Israel’s claim of the right to self-defense is taken as valid under international law, then it would lead to the legitimacy of the authority of the occupant state (Israel) to use its military along with police over the occupant terrority (Western Bank and Gaza Strip). Thus, it is unclear how Israel as an occupant can claim the right to self-defense when it has been controlling, policing and making settlements in the OPT since 1967. The context of Hamas’s retaliation, named Operation Al-Aqsa Flood, underscores their perception of defending Palestinian interests in response to Israel’s actions, particularly the raid and attack at the Al-Aqsa Compound (Temple Mount) in the Old City of Jerusalem. This complex situation challenges Israel’s portrayal as a victim state, raising questions about the legitimacy of its claim to self-defense in the ongoing conflict.

Arguendo, there exists Israel’s right to self-defense against Hamas attacks. However, the same right has to respect International Humanitarian Law (‘IHL’) and meet the principle of proportionality. Proportionality in jus ad bellum, a fundamental concept in international law, necessitates a careful evaluation of the legitimate ends pursued through the use of force and the necessity of that force to achieve these objectives. At its core, proportionality requires determining whether the force used aligns with the legitimate ends sought. The term “necessary” holds a pivotal role, encompassing two distinct interpretations: first, the availability of non-forcible means to address an armed attack, and second, the rational connection between the force used and the legitimate ends of self-defense. The proportionality test involves three key questions: first, whether the restriction in question aims to achieve legitimate ends; second, whether there are less restrictive means available to achieve the same ends; and third, whether the harm caused to the protected right by the restriction outweighs its benefits.

So with respect to IHL principles and proportionality, Israel was obligated to refrain from using starvation as a tactic against Gaza’s civilians, minimize harm to civilians and civilian infrastructure, and allow the return of displaced individuals post-conflict. However, in contrast, Israel closed all borders and severed essential services like electricity, water, and food supplies, as well as conducting airstrikes on densely populated areas and vital infrastructure. Israel’s armed forces launched air strikes on residential buildings, including apartments in the Rimal neighborhood in Gaza City; mosques; refugee camps, such as Jabalia Refugee Camp and Nuseirat Refugee Camp); and the UNRWA School in Central Gaza’s al-Maghazi refugee camp.

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Israel’s attacks, which caused a humanitarian catastrophe by collectively punishing the entire population of Gaza, failed to meet the standards outlined in the UN Global Counter-Terrorism Strategy. The disproportionate use of force, coupled with the dehumanizing rhetoric used against Palestinians and the manipulation of essential resources such as food, stands in violation of the proportionality requirement of the right to self-defense, IHL, and International Human Rights Law (IHRL). The Israeli Defense Minister’s order to deliberately siege food, electricity, and fuel as a wartime strategy violates IHL and constitutes a “war crime” under Article 8(2)(b)(xxv) of the Rome Statute, and could also potentially satisfy the legal criteria for the crime against humanity of inhumane acts (Article 7(1)( k )) of the Rome Statute. A complete siege, especially for an extended duration, is prohibited by IHL under Article 54(1) of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions. This principle is also emphasized in Article 23 of the Fourth Geneva Convention and Article 70 of Additional Protocol I. Furthermore, the extensive damage caused to civilian infrastructure, including schools, hospitals, and media outlets, highlights the disproportionate nature of the military operations and violates Article 57 of the Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions.

IHL mandates the protection of civilian populations, medical personnel, journalists, and cultural assets during armed conflicts, regardless of the party’s role as an aggressor or defender. Indiscriminate attacks, which fail to differentiate between civilians and combatants, are strictly prohibited in all types of armed conflicts, as outlined in various articles of Article 48 of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions, Art. 51(1) and (2) of Additional Protocol I, and Article 13(1) of the Additional Protocol II to the Geneva Conventions. Thus, Israel’s indiscriminate targeting of densely populated neighborhoods and civilian facilities raises questions about the whole notion of “necessity” and “proportionality” in the use of force by Israeli authorities in the name of the ‘right to self-defense’ and violates international law and constitutes “war crimes” under the Rome Statute.



TLDR Israel does have the right to repel the attacks and initiate police actions to go after the perpetrators. However what the IDF is doing in Gaza is not covered by self-defense doctrine. No matter how much Israel keeps trying to paint Oct 7 as the starting point.




Urgent court order unnecessary as Gaza military campaign is scaled back, Israel tells top UN court

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-israel-genocide-south-africa-international-court-justice/
https://ground.news/article/urgent-court-order-unnecessary-as-gaza-military-campaign-is-scaled-back-israel-tells-world-court_963d84


I can't keep up with all that's happening, what about that is scaled back?

Israeli attack near Rafah crossing leaves Palestinian children dead

Al Jazeera’s correspondent reports that Israeli bombs have targeted a house in the far south of the Gaza Strip that was sheltering displaced people.

Video verified by Al Jazeera shows the bodies of a number of those killed by the air raid, mostly children, arriving at Abu Youssef al-Najjar Hospital in Rafah.

Dire situation at Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital as blackout continues

Al-Aqsa Hospital, in the central area of the Gaza Strip, has become completely dark right now, as the fuel for the generators has completely run out, imposing a full blackout in the hospital, which also contains hundreds of patients who are in very desperate need of electricity to keep them provided with medical treatment.

A group of babies are in a very risky situation right now, as they might lose their lives if this blackout continues. We can also say that the hospital is very crowded with patients and injured people, along with displaced people, who are trying to live in the backyards of the hospital. We reported earlier that the vicinity of the hospital had been widely attacked by the Israeli military as a number of residential buildings there had been destroyed, alongside the fact that the hospital exists in an area that is considered to be a battle zone.

And now, with the expansion of the Israeli military operations in the middle Governate [of Gaza], this hospital may be exposed to new threats.






UN relief head says Israeli campaign conducted with no regard for civilian impact

UN humanitarian relief head Martin Griffiths has said that Israel’s campaign in Gaza is being waged “with almost no regard for the impact on civilians”.

As ground operations move southward, aerial bombardments have intensified in areas where civilians were told to relocate,” Griffiths said, noting that UN facilities sheltering displaced Palestinians have come under “relentless attack”.

Griffiths added that it’s difficult to imagine that Palestinians “would or could” move back to northern Gaza, which has been devastated by Israel’s assault. He also said that statements from Israeli cabinet members promoting the expulsion of Palestinian civilians raise “grave concerns about the possible forcible mass transfer or deportation of the Palestinian population from the Gaza Strip”.

UN’s humanitarian chief paints grim picture of Gaza at UN Security Council meeting

This is the second time that the Security Council has met this week just on the situation in Gaza. Martin Griffiths, the top gentleman when it comes to humanitarian affairs, we’ve heard him speak well over a dozen times, if not more, since the conflict began on October 7. He’s been a constant, whether speaking at the Security Council, on the sidelines or issuing statements.

With each new statement, you hear a situation that is getting even worse in Gaza, and I think we really heard that here from Martin Griffiths. He said that UN officials have just been able to access the northern part of Gaza; he said they came back and said the scenes were utter horror. He said corpses were lying on the road, [there were] people with evident signs of starvation stopping tricks stopping trucks in search of anything they can get to survive.

Griffiths painted a picture where the UN basically cannot function and cannot get aid to people that need in really any part of the besieged Gaza Strip.

Nearly 320 displaced people have been killed in Gaza UNRWA shelters: UN official

Speaking at the UN Security Council, Assistant UN Secretary-General for Human Rights Ilze Brands Kehris has said that at least 319 internally displaced persons have been killed and 1,135 injured in strikes on shelters run by the UN’s relief agency for Palestinians since October 7. She also noted that Israel’s evacuation of Palestinians may constitute a war crime.

“While Israel stated that its evacuation orders have been for the safety of Palestinian civilians, it appears that Israel has made scant provision to ensure such relocations comply with international law, in particular ensuring access to appropriate hygiene, health, safety, nutrition and shelter, and taking steps to minimize the risk of separation of family members,” she said.

Such compelled evacuations, failing to meet the necessary conditions for lawfulness, therefore potential amount to forcible transfer, a war crime.






Trudeau is sitting on the fence as always

https://ottawa.citynews.ca/2024/01/12/canada-doesnt-support-south-africas-case-against-israel/

Canada fully supports the International Court of Justice but that doesn’t mean it supports the premise of South Africa’s genocide case against Israel, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Friday.


Any fellow Canadians here?

Parliamentary Petition e-4745: Arms Embargo on Israel
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Tell Canada: Support South Africa’s ICJ case, stop genocide in Gaza!
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