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SvennoJ said:

Israel Is Trying To Start A War With Iran


To be fair.... they sent ballistic missils at them first.
Ontop of smaller missiles and drones.

The fact that isreal has really good anti air systems, is the only reason they didnt have massive casualties from this.

That seems like a act of war to me.
So if isreal wants to respond that seems only fair.
There should be costs to acting like this towards another nation (to prevent things like this happending again).



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JRPGfan said:
SvennoJ said:

Israel Is Trying To Start A War With Iran


To be fair.... they sent ballistic missils at them first.
Ontop of smaller missiles and drones.

The fact that isreal has really good anti air systems, is the only reason they didnt have massive casualties from this.

That seems like a act of war to me.
So if isreal wants to respond that seems only fair.
There should be costs to acting like this towards another nation (to prevent things like this happending again).

Should the American embassies be targetted for providing funding and arms to Israel while actively engaging in genocide? 



JRPGfan said:
SvennoJ said:

Israel Is Trying To Start A War With Iran


To be fair.... they sent ballistic missils at them first.
Ontop of smaller missiles and drones.

The fact that isreal has really good anti air systems, is the only reason they didnt have massive casualties from this.

That seems like a act of war to me.
So if isreal wants to respond that seems only fair.
There should be costs to acting like this towards another nation (to prevent things like this happending again).

Didn't Israel hit an Iranian embassy in Lebanon killing their people first?

This was retaliation for that an they even said to the US they would do it if the US come out and didn't condone the attack on their embassy.

Saying all that, most Iranians, would be happy if someone bombed their government. They been waiting foe a chance to go back to the old ways where they had freedoms. 



 

 

JRPGfan said:
SvennoJ said:

Israel Is Trying To Start A War With Iran


To be fair.... they sent ballistic missils at them first.
Ontop of smaller missiles and drones.

The fact that isreal has really good anti air systems, is the only reason they didnt have massive casualties from this.

That seems like a act of war to me.
So if isreal wants to respond that seems only fair.
There should be costs to acting like this towards another nation (to prevent things like this happending again).

Israel hit Iranian 'soil' first by bombing the Iranian consulate in Damascus killing 7
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/1/several-killed-in-israeli-strike-on-iranian-consulate-in-damascus-reports

That was a clear act of war for which Iran said they had to retaliate, backed by article 51 in the UN Charter.

Iran gave 2 weeks warning, notified the surrounding countries the attack was coming. They all closed their air space for commercial flights right before the attack started. Israel was fully prepared as well. Iran started with slow moving drones, then missiles aimed at military targets. They have been talking with the US through Swiss channels, it all seemed very well coordinated. Iran knew full well that most of the projectiles would be shot down, launching them all the way from Iran, taking several hours to arrive.

It was a well coordinated show of force, aimed at not causing any casualties to not further escalate the war. It was a balancing act, appeasing the home base, showing Israel they crossed a red line, while also giving an off-ramp to de escalate.

Israel gave no notice for the attack in Damascus, nor for any of the prior assassinations and attacks.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/15/bombs-and-viruses-the-shadowy-history-of-israels-attacks-on-iranian-soil

This counter attack was the costs of acting like Israel does towards another nation.

To prevent this happening again, Israel needs to 'take the win' as Biden stated, and refrain from escalating further with another military response. Take the win as in, Israel has demonstrated its defense system to make their citizens feel more confident, managed to draw attention away from Gaza and cemented more support from US, UK, France and Jordan. Saudi Arabia and UAE helped as well.
https://www.firstpost.com/vantage/did-saudi-arabia-uae-help-israel-defend-against-irans-attack-vd31503/

This counter attack and response were planned to the fine details. It was a show, a solution to the dilemma Iran faced due to the hypocrisy of the UNSC. For once I applaud the US and Iran for coming to this 'solution'.
https://time.com/6966758/how-the-u-s-rallied-to-defend-israel-from-irans-massive-attack/
Iran stated they were done with the matter before even knowing the outcome. It was a one off, choreographed event.

Of course those in power will still use this as much as they can to their advantage. More sanctions for Iran, more diversion from Gaza, the occupied West Bank, Lebanon, Yemen, look away from the genocide to the threat of Iran. Israel still kills dozens of people a day in Gaza, a couple a day in the West Bank, keeps rounding up more people to get tortured in Israeli jails without any legal representation, keeps protecting Settlers while they attack people and infrastructure, keeps bombing Gaza and Lebanon daily, keeps blowing up houses and infrastructure in Gaza, keeps destructing property and infrastructure in the West Bank in nightly raids, keeps assassinating people in other countries, has not significantly increased aid entering Gaza despite claiming so, starvation is ongoing, famine has already set in in parts of Gaza.

The cost of acting like this should be the focus. The counter attack from Iran is a small part of that cost.



It's Netanyahu that wants a wider war to stay in power. He's doing everything to survive politically. He knows as soon as the war is done, he will be ousted and facing prosecution for his prior corruption charges, as well as an investigation in his failures on Oct 7, as well as the charges of many war crimes and genocide.


Israel obstructing access to Hamas attack victims: UN

Israel is preventing UN investigators from speaking to witnesses and victims of the October 7 Hamas attack.

“So far as the government of Israel is concerned, we have faced not merely a lack of cooperation but active obstruction of our efforts to receive evidence from Israeli witnesses and victims to the events that occurred in southern Israel,” said Chris Sidoti, one of the three members of the inquiry.

Sidoti, speaking via videolink, said the investigation found it difficult to collect evidence from large numbers of witnesses. “I use this opportunity to appeal again both to the government of Israel to cooperate, and to victims and witnesses to the events in southern Israel to contact the commission of inquiry so that we can hear what they have experienced.”

Sidoti also said investigators began collecting digital evidence early on October 7, some of which has since “disappeared from the internet”. “If it had not been collected on that day, it would not have been able to be collected,” the former human rights commissioner of Australia said.


US gets what they wanted out of the counter attack

US House speaker announces bill with more Iran sanctions

Congress will release several spending bills today, including one that includes more sanctions on Russia and Iran, House Speaker Mike Johnson said in an interview with Fox News.

The bills, which could be voted on by the end of the week, will also allocate more funding for US allies Israel and Ukraine, but the amount of spending “is still being decided”, Johnson said.



While the real atrocities are in plain view

Unexploded 1,000-pound bombs found in Gaza schools

The UN agency for Palestinian refugees says it found the massive explosives inside schools after Israeli forces withdrew from Gaza’s city of Khan Younis. UNWRA found “significant challenges in operating safely due to the presence of unexploded ordnance [UXOs], including 1,000-pound [450kg] bombs inside schools and on roads”.

Earlier this month, the UN said it would take “millions of dollars” and “many years” to decontaminate Gaza from unexploded munitions.




Netanyahu seeks to ‘draw attention away from Gaza’

Jordan’s Foreign Minister Ayman Safadi says the international community should stop Netanyahu from “stealing” attention away from Gaza by escalating his confrontation with Iran.

In remarks during a news conference with his German counterpart in Berlin, Safadi said Iran had responded to the attack against its consulate and had announced that it “did not want to escalate further”.

“We are against escalating. Netanyahu wants to draw attention away from Gaza and focus on his confrontation with Iran,” Safadi added.

 



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Surveillance drones heard in Rafah

Over the past hour, we’ve observed more active military operations in southern Gaza, along with the middle areas. Here in Rafah, we can clearly hear Israeli surveillance drone movements, which could be a sign of potential attacks later.

Attacks and confrontations are still raging on the northern side of Nuseirat refugee camp in central Gaza, where at least three Palestinians have been reported killed.

The Israeli military has not stopped its bombardment of Gaza City. One of the latest attacks carried out by drone targeted a civilian car, causing a number of injuries. The majority of areas have also been under constant Israeli shelling over the past hours.


Gaza vulnerable to epidemic-era infectious diseases: IRC

Gaza’s “once-vibrant health system” and aid efforts have been decimated by Israel, and the population faces “famine, malnutrition, and infectious disease outbreaks”, the International Rescue Committee (IRC) and its partners warned in a statement.

Projections by the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and Johns Hopkins Center for Humanitarian Health indicate that even with an immediate ceasefire, up to nearly 12,000 people would die in Gaza as a result of disease, the statement also read.

“No hospitals in Gaza are fully functioning any longer. IRC staff and partners in Gaza continue to witness devastation in the health facilities that are left,” said Dr Seema Jilani, IRC’s senior health technical adviser for emergencies.

“While there have not been large-scale epidemics in Gaza for over a decade, the population has now been left vulnerable to infectious diseases such as flu, COVID, pneumonia, bacterial dysentery, cholera, polio, measles and meningitis,” she added.

The IRC reiterated its call for an immediate ceasefire and unfettered aid access to prevent the total collapse of public health in the besieged Gaza Strip.




One Gaza child ‘killed or injured every 10 minutes’: UNICEF

Children in Gaza have become the faces of the continuing war as their stories paint a “harrowing picture” of the human consequences of the conflict, a UNICEF official says.

“Children are wearing a tremendous share of the scars of this war,” UNICEF communications specialist Tess Ingram – who left Gaza on Monday after spending two weeks there – told a UN press briefing in Geneva.

More than 12,000 children were injured in Gaza since October 7, 2023, she said, and this is “almost certainly an underestimate”.

“With at least 70 children injured every day, we need the number of medical evacuations to increase so children can access the care they urgently need. And with one child killed or injured every 10 minutes, above anything else we need a ceasefire.”

A lasting truce “is the only way to stop the killing and maiming of children”.





While the US focuses on Iran

US Treasury preparing new Iran sanctions: Report

The United States is readying more sanctions on Iran after its aerial attack on Israel, according to news site Axios.

US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen will announce the measures during the opening press conference of the International Monetary Fund’s spring meetings in Washington, DC, it said, citing an advance copy of the secretary’s remarks.

Yellen will also push finance ministers of other countries to introduce their own sanctions against Iran for “coordinated action”.

“Treasury will not hesitate to work with our allies to use our sanctions authority to continue disrupting the Iranian regime’s malign and destabilizing activity,” it quotes Yellen’s prepared remarks as saying.

“The attack by Iran and its proxies underscores the importance of Treasury’s work to use our economic tools to counter Iran’s malign activity.”


Sanctions on Israel would stop the war, which costs them a lot already. Sanctions mandated by ignoring the UNSC resolution for an immediate ceasefire, as well as ignoring the ICJ provisional rulings.

Israel Q4 GDP revised to 21% contraction, hit by war on Gaza

Israel’s war on Gaza took a larger toll on economic growth in the final three months of 2023 than previously thought.

The economy contracted an annualised 21.0 percent in the fourth quarter over the third quarter, the Central Bureau of Statistics said. It followed a 19.4 percent decline in its preliminary estimate, which was revised to a 20.7 percent contraction last month.

The war has led to steep declines in the fourth quarter in exports (-22.5 percent), private spending (-26.9 percent), investment in fixed assets (-67.9 percent), and imports (-42.4 percent).

Government spending, however, jumped 83.7 percent. On Monday, the bureau reported the annual inflation rate rose to a more than expected 2.7 percent in March from 2.5 percent in February.



No significant change in amount of aid entering Gaza, says UNRWA

The UN agency for Palestinian refugees (UNRWA) reported in its latest situation update that the amount of aid entering Gaza has remained relatively stable since April, with an average of 181 trucks reaching the enclave daily.

This volume is far below the operational capacity of Gaza’s open border crossings and fails to meet Israel’s stated goal of facilitating the entry of 500 aid trucks per day, said UNRWA.

Aid flow into northern Gaza, where hunger is most pervasive, is especially strained, with UNRWA unable to reach the area since January 23, the agency added. Throughout Gaza, “food insecurity” has increased by 80 percent since December, UNRWA said.



Israeli attack on Iran’s consulate violated international law: UN experts

Israeli military personnel and civilian officials responsible for the deadly strikes may have “committed crimes” under an international counterterrorism treaty of 1971, UN legal experts say.

“All countries are prohibited from arbitrarily depriving individuals of their right to life in military operations abroad,” said the experts. “Killings in foreign territory are arbitrary when they are not authorised under international law.

“Israel’s attack consequently violated the prohibition on the use of armed force against another state under Article 2(4) of the Charter. Illegal force was used not only against Iran’s armed forces but also against Syrian territory. Israel’s attack was partly launched from the Golan Heights, which is illegally annexed Syrian territory.”

The UN experts said Iran’s retaliatory attack on Israel was also a “prohibited use of force under international law”.


Emergency services at work at Iran’s consulate in Damascus on April 1

Israel still imposing ‘unlawful’ restrictions on Gaza aid: UN

“Israel continues to impose unlawful restrictions on the entry and distribution of humanitarian assistance, and to carry out widespread destruction of civilian infrastructure,” said Ravina Shamdasani, spokesperson for the UN human rights office, at a press briefing in Geneva.

Israel, which denies hindering humanitarian relief to Gaza, has faced increased international pressure to let more supplies into the Gaza Strip since it hit an aid convoy on April 1, killing international relief workers.

“Those delivering or trying to access humanitarian assistance must never be attacked,” said Shamdasani.

She also voiced concern over escalating settler violence in the occupied West Bank, calling on Israeli forces to “immediately end their active participation in and support for settler attacks” on Palestinians.


Israeli forces arrest 25 Palestinians in West Bank since yesterday

Most of the arrests took place during raids in the governorates of Qalqilya, Hebron and Jenin, while others were in Bethlehem and Jerusalem governorates, according to the Palestinian Prisoner’s Society.

The latest arrests bring the total number of people detained in the occupied West Bank since October 7 to 8,270, said the society, in what it said is part of a campaign to “collectively punish” Palestinians.

 

Another ‘bloody’ night across Gaza

The Gaza Strip has been widely attacked in the last 24 hours.

The overnight strikes were very bloody, specifically here [in Rafah], an area that is supposed to be a safe zone, where at least four Palestinians were reported killed after a residential house was destroyed.

The people killed were evacuees from northern Gaza who had been moving from one place to another. They were killed by Israeli fighter jets without any prior warning.

The situation on the ground in the middle area is similarly dire, as more injuries arrive at Al-Aqsa Hospital due to the ongoing military campaign on the northern part of Nuseirat refugee camp.

In addition, at least four Palestinians have been reported killed in Beit Hanoon town after a residential house was destroyed.

Gaza death toll rises

At least 33,843 Palestinians have been killed and 76,575 wounded in Israeli attacks on Gaza since October 7, its Health Ministry says. The ministry added that 46 people were killed and 110 injured in the past 24 hours.

 

 



LurkerJ said:
JRPGfan said:

To be fair.... they sent ballistic missils at them first.
Ontop of smaller missiles and drones.

The fact that isreal has really good anti air systems, is the only reason they didnt have massive casualties from this.

That seems like a act of war to me.
So if isreal wants to respond that seems only fair.
There should be costs to acting like this towards another nation (to prevent things like this happending again).

Should the American embassies be targetted for providing funding and arms to Israel while actively engaging in genocide? 

No, american can and will likely give them payback, in form of bombing some of their leaders or some such.



JRPGfan said:
LurkerJ said:

Should the American embassies be targetted for providing funding and arms to Israel while actively engaging in genocide? 

No, american can and will likely give them payback, in form of bombing some of their leaders or some such.

There should be sanctions on the US though, also on the UK, France, Germany, Australia and whoever else is still supplying weapons to Israel.

Following these countries (as of Februari 15th) Canada joins the Netherlands, Japan, Spain and Belgium in suspending arms sales in the wake of Israel’s brutal military offensive in Gaza. Many other nations have said they will no longer purchase Israeli weapons.

Equal measures, declare Israel, US, UK, Germany terrorist regimes and apply sanctions. Complicity in genocide should be taken serious if we ever want to advance as a species. Israel has been more successful at turning the clock back to the nineteen hundreds than Trump. International law is all but a joke now.



Another day, another low for Israel.

Israeli drone plays sounds of children crying to lure Palestinians, witnesses say

A video verified by Al Jazeera taken from central Gaza’s Nuseirat refugee camp yesterday documented the sounds of children crying, which were seemingly coming from an Israeli quadcopter plane.

Residents in the area say this is the Israeli army’s latest way to lure civilians and kill them. At least one man was shot and killed by an Israeli sniper when he came out of his home to inspect where the sounds were coming from.

“Yesterday, the area was subjected to Israeli shelling. Three hours after the raids, we heard the voices of children crying out and the voice of a woman,” one of the witnesses, Mohammed Nabhan, said. “When we went out, we were subjected to heavy fire from the Israeli army and the sound was coming out of an Israeli quadcopter with four propellers,” he said.


Palestinian Journalists Syndicate says 100 journalists arrested since October 7

The Palestinian Journalists Syndicate says Israeli forces arrested some 100 journalists since October 7. At least 40 of them remain in Israeli custody, the syndicate said. Most of the journalists were beaten at the moment of arrest, it added.

According to the syndicate, many of detained journalists were held under administrative detention, a controversial and vague legal process that allows Israel to imprison Palestinians without charge or trial.

 

Israeli air strike hits crowded Gaza refugee camp



Children among several killed in attack on central Gaza’s Maghazi camp

At least 11 people have been killed in an Israeli attack on the Maghazi refugee camp in central Gaza, the Palestinian Wafa news agency reported. Most of those killed were children, Wafa said, adding that several people were also wounded.

The camp is densely populated and has become even more congested after thousands of families were forced to flee their homes in Gaza’s north after Israel began its assault on the enclave.

Al Jazeera’s Hani Mahmoud, reporting from Rafah, said the attack on Maghazi took place during “rush hour”. He said the attack hit a playground that is frequently visited by displaced children.

“Dozens” of wounded people have been transported to the Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Hospital, Mahmoud said.

 

Several killed in new attack on southern Gaza’s Rafah

Several people have been reported killed in an attack on Gaza’s most southern city of Rafah. A strike hit a residential building in central Rafah, according to our colleagues at Al Jazeera Arabic.

Gaza’s Civil Defence said an Israeli jet attacked a house in the Yabna refugee camp, killing and wounding “a number” of people. Civil defence crews are still trying to pull out the bodies of those killed and injured from under the rubble, it said.

More than 1.5 million displaced Palestinians are sheltering in Rafah. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has pushed for a ground operation into Rafah, despite international calls saying such a move would be “catastrophic”.

 

Israel holding bodies of 26 Palestinian detainees, prisoners’ group says

The Palestinian Prisoner’s Society says Israeli authorities are holding the bodies of 26 Palestinian detainees. The NGO said the figure stands after the body of 59-year-old Abdulhalim Abdulkarim Amer was released by Israeli authorities earlier today.

Amer died in Israeli custody on April 13. He is the 16th Palestinian to die in Israeli custody since Israel’s assault on Gaza began more than six months ago. The father of seven was arrested with his son on March 17, for allegedly entering Israel for work without a permit.

Israel routinely withholds the bodies of Palestinians, which human rights groups say amounts to collective punishment of bereaved families. International law considers the practice a violation of human rights.

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