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LurkerJ said:
EpicRandy said:

If Sony added a day-one release to their subs for a similar pricing strategy as Game Pass, it would be a clear prosumer improvement in their value proposition and I'd subscribe to it, absolutely no question about it.

Same thing if Sony started to support PC adequately. That's where I play most of the time and it would be so nice to play Sony titles more frequently on there.  that would be another undeniable prosumer move.

The thing is Sony benefits from a long-time unchallenged dominant position and it shows to some extent, they have a way higher profit margin than Xbox has. And it all boils down to this, profit margin, if a company succeed in getting a higher profit margin then that means they are able to extract more from the same offering or extract the same amount from a lesser offering (in term of production cost), or both. In a place where competition is extremely healthy the ability for a company to do so is lessened and maybe even close to non-existent, and consumers win. In a place where one actor benefits from a dominant position, they can increase profit margin and consumers lose.

Both decisions to not support PC consistently or subs with day one title have not been taken for the sake of their consumer but for the sake of their own benefits because they can. Xbox started supporting both, again not for consumer sake, but because, in their case, they could not do otherwise as they found themselves in a position where they could not compete effectively with "traditional" console-focused methods and pricing strategy and so were forced to react or quit. 

What is your point? I am not sure what you're going on about. 

SONY is more consumer friendly to me and offers the best value service bar non, they also offer me more options, I don't want PSN essential to be killed off and be forced to pay for PSN extra like MS did with their essential tier.

MS slowly and deliberately killed off their most basic tier in an attempt to boost higher priced tier subscriptions, SONY hasn't followed suit in this anti-consumer practice despite their "dominant position". The suggestion that only SONY subscriptions need to be competitive or more consumer friendly is false, MS is deliberately offering less choices in terms of subscription tiers, MS subs options can and should be more consumer friendly too. 

Are you sure? Because I count 3 sub tiers on MS and Sony's.

Xbox Live Gold does still exist if that's what you're wanting.

Last edited by G2ThaUNiT - on 12 July 2023

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Hiku said:

Would we rather Amazon, Google, Apple, etc aquire them?
Or someone that actually gives a shit about video gaming, like Xbox? (Not everyone, but we know they have a number of higher ups that do.)

Yeah they tried to sell to Meta first but Meta refused the asking price. Comcast was in talks to acquire EA recently but talks broke down. I think if someone else does get acquired, it will more likely be from someone on the outside of what companies we traditionally look at in this market. So like Amazon, Google, Apple, Comcast, Meta, etc. Can't see Tencent being allowed, don't see Sony bothering with a huge acquisition, others could merge with each other, Idk.

Oh, and Saudi Arabia's PIF exists...

Activision were looking to sell, they would have sold to someone eventually...You can't just block every large company from selling if they want to sell. That'd basically kill the start-up industry as well, a lot of people create companies with the express purpose of selling them later down the line when they grow them big. What you should instead look at is if the acquisition creates an unfair market advantage and is a negative for consumers, not an arbitrary threshold on every acquisition no matter what.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 12 July 2023

LurkerJ said:
EpicRandy said:

If Sony added a day-one release to their subs for a similar pricing strategy as Game Pass, it would be a clear prosumer improvement in their value proposition and I'd subscribe to it, absolutely no question about it.

Same thing if Sony started to support PC adequately. That's where I play most of the time and it would be so nice to play Sony titles more frequently on there.  that would be another undeniable prosumer move.

The thing is Sony benefits from a long-time unchallenged dominant position and it shows to some extent, they have a way higher profit margin than Xbox has. And it all boils down to this, profit margin, if a company succeed in getting a higher profit margin then that means they are able to extract more from the same offering or extract the same amount from a lesser offering (in term of production cost), or both. In a place where competition is extremely healthy the ability for a company to do so is lessened and maybe even close to non-existent, and consumers win. In a place where one actor benefits from a dominant position, they can increase profit margin and consumers lose.

Both decisions to not support PC consistently or subs with day one title have not been taken for the sake of their consumer but for the sake of their own benefits because they can. Xbox started supporting both, again not for consumer sake, but because, in their case, they could not do otherwise as they found themselves in a position where they could not compete effectively with "traditional" console-focused methods and pricing strategy and so were forced to react or quit. 

What is your point? I am not sure what you're going on about. 

SONY is more consumer friendly to me and offers the best value service bar non, they also offer me more options, I don't want PSN essential to be killed off and be forced to pay for PSN extra like MS did with their essential tier.

MS slowly and deliberately killed off their most basic tier in an attempt to boost higher priced tier subscriptions, SONY hasn't followed suit in this anti-consumer practice despite their "dominant position". The suggestion that only SONY subscriptions need to be competitive or more consumer friendly is false, MS is deliberately offering less choices in terms of subscription tiers, MS subs options can and should be more consumer friendly too. 

The question is not whether you find their offering to be more consumer-friendly to you but whether they can improve and whether an increase in competition is likely to result in such.

Also which basic tier did Xbox kill exactly? Are you referring to the failed attempt to kill live gold annual pricing? If so then again you can view this exactly through the profit margin scope laid out earlier, MS attempted to have a higher profit margin, but competition did not place them in a position where they could succeed and they were forced, by public outcry, to keep the higher value proposition offering.



gtotheunit91 said:
LurkerJ said:

What is your point? I am not sure what you're going on about. 

SONY is more consumer friendly to me and offers the best value service bar non, they also offer me more options, I don't want PSN essential to be killed off and be forced to pay for PSN extra like MS did with their essential tier.

MS slowly and deliberately killed off their most basic tier in an attempt to boost higher priced tier subscriptions, SONY hasn't followed suit in this anti-consumer practice despite their "dominant position". The suggestion that only SONY subscriptions need to be competitive or more consumer friendly is false, MS is deliberately offering less choices in terms of subscription tiers, MS subs options can and should be more consumer friendly too. 

Are you sure? Because I count 3 sub tiers on MS and Sony's.

Xbox Live Gold does still exist if that's what you're wanting.

You count wrong!

  1. Xbox Live Gold
  2. Game Pass for Console
  3. Game Pass for PC
  4. Game Pass Ultimate

        5. Game Pass Family Plan (Soon).

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 12 July 2023

gtotheunit91 said:
LurkerJ said:

What is your point? I am not sure what you're going on about. 

SONY is more consumer friendly to me and offers the best value service bar non, they also offer me more options, I don't want PSN essential to be killed off and be forced to pay for PSN extra like MS did with their essential tier.

MS slowly and deliberately killed off their most basic tier in an attempt to boost higher priced tier subscriptions, SONY hasn't followed suit in this anti-consumer practice despite their "dominant position". The suggestion that only SONY subscriptions need to be competitive or more consumer friendly is false, MS is deliberately offering less choices in terms of subscription tiers, MS subs options can and should be more consumer friendly too. 

Are you sure? Because I count 3 sub tiers on MS and Sony's.

Xbox Live Gold does still exist if that's what you're wanting.

You mean this service? https://www.vgchartz.com/article/457686/xbox-games-with-gold-for-july-2023-announced/

Just check xbox fans comments. The basic Xbox essential tier is now an embarrassment compared to PSN Essential, but even in an empty vacuum, it's an embarrassment to what it was few years ago before MS chose to neglect it on purpose, it's on life support to push users to pay more expensive tiers. A quick look through the monthly announcements tells you just that; https://www.vgchartz.com/articles/?category_story=All&btn_submit=Search&q=games+with+gold

In what way the service is remotely the same compared to what it was or compared to PSN essential? to suggest Gold offers the same value as PSN Essential is disingenuous. 



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Ryuu96 said:
Hiku said:

Would we rather Amazon, Google, Apple, etc aquire them?
Or someone that actually gives a shit about video gaming, like Xbox? (Not everyone, but we know they have a number of higher ups that do.)

Yeah they tried to sell to Meta first but Meta refused the asking price. Comcast was in talks to acquire EA recently but talks broke down. I think if someone else does get acquired, it will more likely be from someone on the outside of what companies we traditionally look at in this market. So like Amazon, Google, Apple, Comcast, Meta, etc. Can't see Tencent being allowed, don't see Sony bothering with a huge acquisition, others could merge with each other, Idk.

Oh, and Saudi Arabia's PIF exists...

Activision were looking to sell, they would have sold to someone eventually...You can't just block every large company from selling if they want to sell. That'd basically kill the start-up industry as well, a lot of people create companies with the express purpose of selling them later down the line when they grow them big. What you should instead look at is if the acquisition creates an unfair market advantage and is a negative for consumers, not an arbitrary threshold on every acquisition no matter what.

I forget if it was in regards to Zenimax or Activision Blizard, probably the former, but there was an interview with Phil Spencer where he seemed to allude to some of those giant tech companies being interested in a major aquisition, and it gave me the impression that Xbox wanted to beat them to the punch partially because they are one of the few major companies that actually care about the industry.
Spencer said (paraphrazing): "We trust Sony and Nintendo (to do what's right for the industry.) But we don't trust Amazon."

Last edited by Hiku - on 12 July 2023

LurkerJ said:
gtotheunit91 said:

Are you sure? Because I count 3 sub tiers on MS and Sony's.

Xbox Live Gold does still exist if that's what you're wanting.

You mean this service? https://www.vgchartz.com/article/457686/xbox-games-with-gold-for-july-2023-announced/

Just check xbox fans comments. The basic Xbox essential tier is now an embarrassment compared to PSN Essential, but even in an empty vacuum, it's an embarrassment to what it was few years ago before MS chose to neglect it on purpose, it's on life support to push users to pay more expensive tiers. A quick look through the monthly announcements tells you just that; https://www.vgchartz.com/articles/?category_story=All&btn_submit=Search&q=games+with+gold

In what way the service is remotely the same compared to what it was or compared to PSN essential? to suggest Gold offers the same value as PSN Essential is disingenuous. 

So you're head over heels for Essential because of the free games? I mean, that's completely fair, but isn't that the whole reason diehard Sony fans hate on Game Pass for? Because all Xbox fans want are "free games." Which is an idiotic stance since you're literally still paying for those games lol. 

To each their own though. You're not wrong though that GWG is utter garbage lol. At least Xbox doesn't charge for cloud saves. I was shocked when I found out Sony did. I thought it was just Nintendo pulling that.



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I think MS is done with big mergers if this one goes through, but they will continue to buy up non-public studios and/or commit to Sony like exclusivity deals for Game Pass that don't have any regulatory oversight. This was a big pain in the ass for them.



gtotheunit91 said:
LurkerJ said:

You mean this service? https://www.vgchartz.com/article/457686/xbox-games-with-gold-for-july-2023-announced/

Just check xbox fans comments. The basic Xbox essential tier is now an embarrassment compared to PSN Essential, but even in an empty vacuum, it's an embarrassment to what it was few years ago before MS chose to neglect it on purpose, it's on life support to push users to pay more expensive tiers. A quick look through the monthly announcements tells you just that; https://www.vgchartz.com/articles/?category_story=All&btn_submit=Search&q=games+with+gold

In what way the service is remotely the same compared to what it was or compared to PSN essential? to suggest Gold offers the same value as PSN Essential is disingenuous. 

So you're head over heels for Essential because of the free games? I mean, that's completely fair, but isn't that the whole reason diehard Sony fans hate on Game Pass for? Because all Xbox fans want are "free games." Which is an idiotic stance since you're literally still paying for those games lol. 

To each their own though. You're not wrong though that GWG is utter garbage lol. At least Xbox doesn't charge for cloud saves. I was shocked when I found out Sony did. I thought it was just Nintendo pulling that.

I am head over heels for Essential because it's an excellent service, with the monthly games, I also go 20 games when I bought the PS5 just because I am a PSN essential subscriber, and the fact there is no alternative to this service on competing consoles, which is relevant to the point I am making. 

The suggestion that I was responding to was that only SONY needs to be more competitive when it comes to subscriptions offerings, which is false, evidently, we both agree GWG is utter garbage now when it wasn't before, the degradation in quality is purposeful to push users into subscribing higher subscription fees on Xbox, this is definitely not pro-consumer behaviour. 

Your SONY diehard fans comment wasn't necessary here because you're making assumptions about me, let's not go there and derail the discussion with "x fanbase thinks this and z fanbase thinks that". 



ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Kakadu18 said:

Nobody in this thread has come close to convincing me that this acquisition is a bad thing in any meaningful way.

Problem is in you probably 

Says the least self aware user on this forum.

Obviously fully convincing me that the acquisition is bad isn't possible since my oppinion on it has been steadfast from the get go.

But I kind of hoped for there to be at least one argument that makes me think that there might be any meaningful long or short term negative effects that will actually negatively impact the consumers, the industry, game quality, sub service quality, range of offerings, anything really.

I've been kinda disappointed. So maybe you're right, I shouldn't have had any expectations to begin with.