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FishyJoe said:
a.l.e.x59 said:

Yeah, but just because the company was pretty bad, doesn't mean that the Gizmondo sucks.

For example, some people don't like Leonardo Dicaprio, but just because he starred in the movie, "Titanic," doesn't mean that the movie sucks.

By the way, I having nothing against Leonardo Dicaprio.

The company didn't even make the Gizmondos anyways. If you look under the battery in the Gizmondo, it says that they were made in China.


If the CEO is a thief, chances are the company is going to be a disaster. No product is going to succeed if the company is a trainwreck. If the producer of Titanic embezzled money, chances are the movie would have had lousy actors and cheap special effects, making the movie suck.

I'm not sure what being made in China has to do with it. The DS, PSP and just about any consumer electronics are made by subcontractors like Foxconn or Asus in China. It's not like Sony or Nintendo actually make their electronics, they sub it out just like just about all CE companies do these days. 


True, Tiger was not a good company. I will admit it, the Gizmondo was a horrible console back when Tiger did't go bankrupt, when compared to its competition. But like I said before, the true power of the Gizmondo didn't show until a long time after Tiger vanished.

Tiger is gone, but the Gizmondo will be here forever.



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This sums it up for me

 



You know alex. I think the problem is your thread title. You're not really arguing that the Gizmondo is a success. you're arguing that you like what you can do with the console. If you'd made this thread "Gizmondo: Really cool!" Then we'd all say "Really? Who knew!"

You're using that "coolness" to say it's a Success. But it sold practically nothing, had almost nothing to play on it and bankrupted it's company. If it's not a failure, no videogame system in  the history of videogames has ever been a failure. That doesn't mean it can't be a nice piece of hardware though.



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stof said:

You know alex. I think the problem is your thread title. You're not really arguing that the Gizmondo is a success. you're arguing that you like what you can do with the console. If you'd made this thread "Gizmondo: Really cool!" Then we'd all say "Really? Who knew!"

You're using that "coolness" to say it's a Success. But it sold practically nothing, had almost nothing to play on it and bankrupted it's company. If it's not a failure, no videogame system in  the history of videogames has ever been a failure. That doesn't mean it can't be a nice piece of hardware though.


Well, we all know that the Gizmondo was a commercial failure. But, the hardware was definitely a success. So basically, some parts of the Gizmondo failed, while other parts were successful. So, I guess the Gizmondo was a failure, and a success at the same time. Unfortunately, I cannot edit the title. Other wise, I would.

And like I said, consoles only appear to be failures when compared with superior ones. If the Gizmondo was the only console on the face of the Earth, there would be no superior console it could compare with, and therefore, would have been a success. But, in reality, I will admit that for the most part, the Gizmondo failed, not because of what the Gizmondo could, or could not do, but because of the company, that developed the Gizmondo.

But, even though the Gizmondo didn't sell very well at all, it is a really cool system, and definitely under rated. If Nintendo had developed the Gizmondo, it would certainly have been a success. The main reason why the Gizmondo failed, was its lack of games. That's basically the only reaon.

The only bad things about the Gizmondo (not the company, not the games, but the actual hardware, the actual Gizmondo itself) are the fact that its batter life isn't that good, and its screen is small. That is it.

The Gizmondo is not a bad system. It's a good system, because its hardware its hardware surpasses that of any other portable. What made it appear to be a bad system was the company that developed it. What makes nobody want the Gizmondo is the fact that it has barely any good games. However, like I said before, most of the games it does have got very good reviews. The price also ruined it, but then again, you get what you pay for. It was more expensive than the PSP, but for reason, since it was more valuable, because of its superior hardware.



Gizmondo - Absolute failure.

(that takes care of the question in the thread title...).

...

I never took this thing seriously. The main reason for that, was because I knew it was up against Nintendo (and Sony - was the PSP announced/coming at this stage?).

To launch a device like this properly requires hundreds of millions of dollars. They didn't have even a fraction of it, and it was doomed to absolute failure from the start.

The economics behind handhelds/consoles are always based on large numbers, and economies of scale. You HAVE to set out to sell millions of the devices - not thousands. R&D, tooling, manufacturing, software development, marketing (etc....) all cost an absolute shiteload. The only way you will get this money back, is to produce and sell MILLIONS of the devices (how many million Playstation devices did Sony sell last year, and STILL managed to make a huge loss?).

I would have loved to see their financial books on this one. They would have burned through money as fast as.... that Ferrari crashed!

 



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If the Gizmondo was the only handheld console ever, it wouldn't be considered a success. Handhelds would be considered a universal failure.

And once again, you're saying that it can do great things. That's cool. The system is obviously cool. But being cool isn't a success. There is absolutely no success to be associated with this console ever. Love it for what it can do, love it for the joy it brings you, love it like a child. But love it for the absolute failure that it is.



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Chrizum is the best thing to happen to the internet, Period.

Serves me right for challenging his sales predictions!

Bet with dsisister44: Red Steel 2 will sell 1 million within it's first 365 days of sales.

FishyJoe said:

This sums it up for me

 

 
Yeah... Tiger had some problems... Major problems... Good thing the Gizmondo is finally out of Tiger's mess. There are still some people, making homebrew games for the console. Now, even though it's dead, it's showing off a lot more of what it can do.


shams said:

Gizmondo - Absolute failure.

(that takes care of the question in the thread title...).

...

I never took this thing seriously. The main reason for that, was because I knew it was up against Nintendo (and Sony - was the PSP announced/coming at this stage?).

To launch a device like this properly requires hundreds of millions of dollars. They didn't have even a fraction of it, and it was doomed to absolute failure from the start.

The economics behind handhelds/consoles are always based on large numbers, and economies of scale. You HAVE to set out to sell millions of the devices - not thousands. R&D, tooling, manufacturing, software development, marketing (etc....) all cost an absolute shiteload. The only way you will get this money back, is to produce and sell MILLIONS of the devices (how many million Playstation devices did Sony sell last year, and STILL managed to make a huge loss?).

I would have loved to see their financial books on this one. They would have burned through money as fast as.... that Ferrari crashed!

 


I think the correct answer is to say that Tiger was a complete failure, and that the Gizmondo had potential. But, like I said, now that Tiger is gone, and the Gizmondo is here to stay, the Gizmondo's true power comes out. It's a really cool system.



stof said:

If the Gizmondo was the only handheld console ever, it wouldn't be considered a success. Handhelds would be considered a universal failure.

And once again, you're saying that it can do great things. That's cool. The system is obviously cool. But being cool isn't a success. There is absolutely no success to be associated with this console ever. Love it for what it can do, love it for the joy it brings you, love it like a child. But love it for the absolute failure that it is.


I don't know about that. I agree with most of this post, but to say that the Gizmondo had nothing successful about it is a little bit depressing. Tiger did achieve power. They did achieve new technology. They did achieve things in the Gizmondo, that were never in previous consoles. For those parts, I would say that they were successful. As a whole, because there were more failures, than successes, Tiger failed.

Like I said, Tiger failed, and the Gizmondo had potential. The Gizmondo could have been a success if Nintendo developed it. It had more than anything Nintendo, or even Sony, would have wanted. To put it simply, the Gizmondo was a wonderful console, developed by the wrong company.



You keep bringing up homebrew games after every argument and I have no idea. If you are into homebrew so much why don't you buy a gp2x? There are certainly more of those out there than the gizmondo and you will find 1000s of games not 35 so why short yourself?