Hardware can be a Dongle. 

Look, i dont mean to sound rude but that sounds like a you problem. As mentioned previously, if you cant trust a company you invest into than maybe that's on you.

All Good, i have been flat out as well. Alot to take in with this reply so ill try to keep mine shorter.

1) The articles linked say more than you think. Phil said " he thinks" and another manager said they want to build bridges to their rivals, you know who isn't building bridges? Those planning on competing in the hardware market. I am only joining the dots here.

2) Sega failed because there was too much competition. If the PS brand didn't exist, Sega would still be in the market. You claim its BS about the 3rd Wheel, well which 3rd Wheel in the console hardware market worked well in the end? My proof is with all the 3rd wheel exits we have seen many times in the gaming industry.

3) Steam is the only main platform of its scale on PC, anything else isn't even comparable. The closest thing Steam had for competition was Epic Game Store which caused more dramas with PC gaming than benefiting competition. Which is exactly my point. Steam doesn't need competition, it doesn't need split revenue, EA Play, UPlay, Battle.Net, GoG etc are not competition. Steam Drawfs them all by miles.

4) Nothing says Sony will reject GP. They will want Xbox games to sell even more consoles and software which they will benefit from. GP brings in more money for Sony. If Sony doesn't except, then MS will just sell games separately on PS which will increase sales and player counts drastically. 

5) You can do what you want, I am not telling you what you can and can't support.

6) This porting argument isn't making any sense. If all 20+ studios make all their new games with PS in mind than no porting will be needed. Like how Redfall   and Gears 3 were in development for PS. Also, it wouldn't take long to port games like Sea of Thieves to PS etc.

7) The SteamDeck point has gone over your head. The point I am making is with a previously comment stating why isn't GP on Steam and I answered saying Valve and MS greenlight GP working on a dedicated Steam device. Sales have nothing to do with this. Its proof that GP is technically supported by Valve.

8) MS doesn't have to provide you with competition just for competition sakes. Money speaks louder than words, if Xbox isn't selling, they are not bind to keep Xbox on the market just so Sony and Nintendo don't screw up. I see this point nonsense. You don't need Xbox Hardware, it's not benefiting anyone apart from the small minority who buy it.

Stay safe, don't let a busy lifestyle stress you out.

And yet, they stated -outright- that they will produce -more- consoles.

So to conjure up the idea that they are exiting the market is just blatantly incorrect and a conspiracy theory and literally goes against their own statements which you have thankfully provided the evidence for.

Sega's only competition at the time of it's demise was Sony and the Playstation 2.

Is one competitor to much?

Because that is what you are trying to say here.

You are ignoring history.

Steam started life fighting physical copies and it won. That is competition.

Netflix started life fighting physical copes and it won. That is competition.

Then you have alternate services that have popped up which have provided added investment into these forms of media into the industry and driven innovation.

That is competition.


Steam has Gog, uPlay, Epic Store, Battle.net, Origin, Windows Store and more.

And some of these stores are growing rapidly and taking user-time away from Steam.

Steam does need competition, it's competition that places downward pressure on prices, it is competition that forces Valve to improve steam, to reduce it's resources, to add features and more.

Sony rejected cross-platform play for years.

They will only begrudgingly do it.

Porting is always needed. Playstation does not live in a vacuum. It isn't the only platform in existence.

Porting games to "cloud hardware" is also a thing as well you know.

If the cloud service hardware differs from Xbox or Playstation, then those games need to be ported to that specific hardware and software ecosystem featured in the server farm. - It doesn't run on Pixy dust, hopes and dreams.

Gamepass isn't on Steam.

That is a lie.

Gamepass runs in a browser. - In theory I could run it on a 3DS.

Xbox is selling. Making this entire argument redundant.

And yes, money speaks. Microsoft makes billions off Xbox.

Should never trust a company to do anything ever. 

I trust a lot of companies and they continue to deliver. Steam and Nintendo are two iv been gaming on since their releases and they have never taken advantage of me as a customer. If Sony want to take advantage of their fans, that has zero effect on me.

1) Will wait and see with the Hardware. All we know their next Console could be nothing more than a Dongle. 

2) Sega was competing with Sony and Nintendo. Sony had the 3rd Party, Nintendo had the 1st Party, Sega stood no chance. 

3) Tell me, How has Steam evolved when Competition was added like UPlay, EA Play, GoG and EGS? I understand Steam had Competition to get to number 1, but now they are number 1, competition has zero affect on Steams operations and innovations.

4) If Sony rejects, Nintendo will accept. Nintendo would Glady have Elder Scrolls 6 to increase Hardware and software sales. What many don't understand is that Sony will take a cut of Xbox profits with game sales and Subs. Every digital game Xbox sells on PS will add more revenue to PS. More games = more profits. Steam is a great example of this.

5) Companies have been making games for both platforms, this is normal. I am sure they will have no issue porting old games to PS. Doesn't have to be the whole library either. Also GP games can be streamed on PS. Otherwise all new games will be developed on PS moving forward.

6) Valve and MS have allowed people running GP on the Steamdeck. Valve isn't exactly trying to block GP from working.

7) MS will make more billions when they spread GP and Games across all platforms.

The point isn't really that Sony might take advantage of the consumer. The point is that companies are at their best when they have challenges. 

Nintendo is at their best, when they get pushed against a wall. 

To a large extent, Nintendo failing with the Gamecube forced them to try something new, and they made the Wii.

When Nintendo failed with the Wii U, they were forced to create something new with the Nintendo Switch. 

Valve was also pushed by Epic to do better as well. That's despite Epic not really doing that much successfully.  

Tying DLC and content to amibo, fake shortage of All-Stars, some collections/remasters, full price for 5 years after the SW release, quality of latest Pokemon games, no price-cut on Switch, etc... I think Nintendo have took advantage of its customers a lot of time.

Also creating theme console of a game and not bundling said game with it. They got me with the animal crossing theme Switch that I bought to my wife. Never realize the game was not bundled until it was way to late -_-.

Certainly we can defend or prefer one company over another but it is hard to say one company never ever done anything to take advantage of their customer base. At most we can say that we weren't affect or didn't mind that.

Like PS+ I didn't sign it on PS3 because it was late in the gen, PS4 I signed very early because of the "free games" and cloud saving (although the 2 or 3 times I really needed it, it didn't really helped me) but since I don't do MP it being behind paywall is irrelevant for me, but I can certainly see that it was Sony taking advantage of customer (PS+ on PS3 85M userbase was something like 2-5M subs, on PS4 because of the MP it gone to 50M on a 117M userbase).

I disagree. Plus I am not saying have zero competition I have been saying 2 is enough in the console space. If Sony want to screw over people than people will flock to Nintendo, if Nintendo screw over their fans, they will flock to PS. 3rd wheel has proven time and time again that they drop out and are replaced by a new brand trying to make a dent. Its constantly happened.  

You are the second person to say Steam benefited from competition without stating what? What did EGS bring to PC gaming that made Steam better to compete?

Example: Steam is free, and with competition could be the reason Steam starts charging their customers. People are blinded in thinking competition is only a good thing. Its not.

Thats standard business practices of the modern industry which was brought in by its competitors. Competition has worsened the industry. Why do you think you are paying for online? It was due to competition. 

Your points are laughably bad. Fake Shortages of All Stars? You referring to the 3D Mario Collection? The limited-Edition run that Nintendo did on purpose? Pokemon Quality? No Switch price cuts? Not sure if you have noticed but these questionable issues by you is done in the industry while Competition exists... so this is all invalid.

Nintendo and Sony aren't competing for the same market so only a very big screwup would transfer customer from one to another, and I don't see either doing it.

Which other company ties DLC to amiibo or hold launch price of SW for 5 years or won't give price cut after 6 years for the HW? This standard business practices must be from fictitious companies right? Limited editions with fake shortages also I don't remember any competitor doing it, poor quality on main entries also don't remember Sony doing it and even Halo and other hiccups MS had weren't nearly as bad as Pokemon...