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BraLoD said:
twintail said:

TGA is the ideal audience venue to show off an MP title, especially one that will have the graphical fidelity and world scale of Horizon.

I disagree.

What people really don't want to see nowdays is Sony announcing another MP focused title, even less on an event that is not Playstation focused having potentialy multiple big new game reveals, and if they do that as the big announcement for such an event, I can see a lot of backslash with very little benefits.

People will mock it however good it may look (visual and gameplay wise) and bring Concord up immediatly.

What Sony needs to show in this kind of event is their next big singleplayer game, Horizon 3 would be a good pick, Horizon MP would not.

And to be honest, if it was up to me they would only reveal games on their own events anyway.

What "people on the internet who like Sony too much" don't want to see is more MP titles. But that is somewhat irrelevant considering they have like 4-5 MP titles in development, Helldivers 2 continues to exist, and TGA doesn't only cater to this specific crowd.

And after all, Elden Ring Nightreign was announced at TGA last year (also Helldivers 2 won best ongoing game). There is a lot of presedent to use this period to announce a high-budget MP title from a popular IP. As long as they have a good reveal, such as ELNR, there will be no issues. 

GymratAmarillo said:
twintail said:

I honestly think Sony would be incredibly stupid not to show the Horizon MP title there. In fact, it's what I imagine they will show. 

It's Horizon, an MP title, and running on Decima. Should be a thing of beauty to see. 

Tokon, GoW 2.5 and Horizon MP are the 3 titles I think have the most chance of being shown off. Wolverine too, but I think they've secured enough visibility to not require it being there. But the more they show off the better I say. 

I know TGA is the biggest stage and it would make a lot on sense to show Horizon there but my reasoning is Sony already has too much bad blood in that show and showing any service would create hate that the developers don't deserve, ND having to silence the comments in the reveal of Intergalactic was really unfair for them. 

I have a lot of hopes for the Horizon Multiplayer and it's in my wishlist for next year releases, that's why I want the reveal trailer in a SoP with people who actually care watching. The games that I think would be safe if they show in TGA are Cory's game, GOW, Tokon, Firesprite's game (because outsiders don't really know about them lol) and Media Molecule's game could be the potencial only service that would be safe. If those are the ones that would be safe I want them to focus in the game that is supposed to release next year lol. 

They are going to be gunning for a PC audience day 1. An SOP will be too small a crowd I feel. Sure, there'll be backlash, but that doesn't immediately translate into a game failing. 

I'm really just not sure Sony is willing to announce another AAA game a year after Intergalatic, which happens to have no release date in sight right now. There was Death Stranding in 2022 I believe, then Intergalactic in 2024. 2023 was the Valhalla DLC, and 2021 I don't think they announced anything new. 

Of course, I'd personally love to see FireSprite have their game revealed, especially if it's what I hope it will be. That would be nice. 



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Saw a Bungie data miner saying that a Destiny 3 is very early in development and that supposedly, a Destiny 2 Classic of sorts is being worked on.

Doesn’t sound like this was Bungie’s first choice if plan are barely being set in motion, but, the best thing to do. I would love a Destiny 2 Classic as I imagine that would come first to keep the player base there while D3 is being worked on. Definitely not gonna be this decade though lol



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G2ThaUNiT said:

Saw a Bungie data miner saying that a Destiny 3 is very early in development and that supposedly, a Destiny 2 Classic of sorts is being worked on.

Doesn’t sound like this was Bungie’s first choice if plan are barely being set in motion, but, the best thing to do. I would love a Destiny 2 Classic as I imagine that would come first to keep the player base there while D3 is being worked on. Definitely not gonna be this decade though lol

what would a Destiny 2 Classic look like?

As someone who hasn't played, unsure why this might be an interesting development.



I'm doing my third run of Persona 5 Royal. I swear this game is still a masterpiece after all this time.



twintail said:
G2ThaUNiT said:

Saw a Bungie data miner saying that a Destiny 3 is very early in development and that supposedly, a Destiny 2 Classic of sorts is being worked on.

Doesn’t sound like this was Bungie’s first choice if plan are barely being set in motion, but, the best thing to do. I would love a Destiny 2 Classic as I imagine that would come first to keep the player base there while D3 is being worked on. Definitely not gonna be this decade though lol

what would a Destiny 2 Classic look like?

As someone who hasn't played, unsure why this might be an interesting development.

By far the biggest reason it would be is the return of deleted or “vaulted” content.

At the launch of the third expansion in late 2020, Bungie removed a ton of content from the game. Justification at the time was to lower the games install size and the technical complexities of having so much content in the game. Bungie announced that they would no longer vault content, outside of seasonal content, in 2022 due to the backlash.

Bungie removed two quarters of the game from years 1 and 2 content including 6 entire planet destinations, social spaces, 4 entire campaigns (including the base campaign), Exotic missions, PvP maps, PvPvE maps, PvE maps, 5 endgame raids, public activities, and several matchmade activities.

It’s crazy to think that if you own a physical copy of the game, nearly all of the data on the disc hasn’t been playable in 5 years.



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G2ThaUNiT said:
twintail said:

what would a Destiny 2 Classic look like?

As someone who hasn't played, unsure why this might be an interesting development.

By far the biggest reason it would be is the return of deleted or “vaulted” content.

At the launch of the third expansion in late 2020, Bungie removed a ton of content from the game. Justification at the time was to lower the games install size and the technical complexities of having so much content in the game. Bungie announced that they would no longer vault content, outside of seasonal content, in 2022 due to the backlash.

Bungie removed two quarters of the game from years 1 and 2 content including 6 entire planet destinations, social spaces, 4 entire campaigns (including the base campaign), Exotic missions, PvP maps, PvPvE maps, PvE maps, 5 endgame raids, public activities, and several matchmade activities.

It’s crazy to think that if you own a physical copy of the game, nearly all of the data on the disc hasn’t been playable in 5 years.

that's crazy. I mean, I recall hearing about this vaulted stuff, but I didn't really comprehend it until this post. Thanks for the insight. 



Another thing that really pissed people off was the sunsetting of weapons. Only exotics and base weapons were excluded. But Bungie had introduced with the Forsaken expansion the concept of pinnacle weapons. Essentially exotic weapons but classed as legendaries. So you could slot 2 pinnacles along with an exotic in your loadout.

Pinnacle weapons were a GRIIIIIIIIIND to get!!!! But they were so worth it. Each of the main activities had their own pinnacle weapons. Crucible (PvP so they were the hardest to get but were by far the best) Gambit (PvPvE) and Strikes (PvE) With the 2020 expansion, Bungie would no longer allow these kinds of weapons to advance in level anymore, something they called sunsetting. So they became useless outside of quick play in PvP where your level didn't matter.

Felt like a massive slap in the face, on top of removing all the content.

So being able to replay all the vaulted content and sunsetted weapons would be a big gesture of goodwill to the community.



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twintail said:
BraLoD said:

I disagree.

What people really don't want to see nowdays is Sony announcing another MP focused title, even less on an event that is not Playstation focused having potentialy multiple big new game reveals, and if they do that as the big announcement for such an event, I can see a lot of backslash with very little benefits.

People will mock it however good it may look (visual and gameplay wise) and bring Concord up immediatly.

What Sony needs to show in this kind of event is their next big singleplayer game, Horizon 3 would be a good pick, Horizon MP would not.

And to be honest, if it was up to me they would only reveal games on their own events anyway.

What "people on the internet who like Sony too much" don't want to see is more MP titles. But that is somewhat irrelevant considering they have like 4-5 MP titles in development, Helldivers 2 continues to exist, and TGA doesn't only cater to this specific crowd.

And after all, Elden Ring Nightreign was announced at TGA last year (also Helldivers 2 won best ongoing game). There is a lot of presedent to use this period to announce a high-budget MP title from a popular IP. As long as they have a good reveal, such as ELNR, there will be no issues. 

GymratAmarillo said:

I know TGA is the biggest stage and it would make a lot on sense to show Horizon there but my reasoning is Sony already has too much bad blood in that show and showing any service would create hate that the developers don't deserve, ND having to silence the comments in the reveal of Intergalactic was really unfair for them. 

I have a lot of hopes for the Horizon Multiplayer and it's in my wishlist for next year releases, that's why I want the reveal trailer in a SoP with people who actually care watching. The games that I think would be safe if they show in TGA are Cory's game, GOW, Tokon, Firesprite's game (because outsiders don't really know about them lol) and Media Molecule's game could be the potencial only service that would be safe. If those are the ones that would be safe I want them to focus in the game that is supposed to release next year lol. 

They are going to be gunning for a PC audience day 1. An SOP will be too small a crowd I feel. Sure, there'll be backlash, but that doesn't immediately translate into a game failing. 

I'm really just not sure Sony is willing to announce another AAA game a year after Intergalatic, which happens to have no release date in sight right now. There was Death Stranding in 2022 I believe, then Intergalactic in 2024. 2023 was the Valhalla DLC, and 2021 I don't think they announced anything new. 

Of course, I'd personally love to see FireSprite have their game revealed, especially if it's what I hope it will be. That would be nice. 

Hate doesn't translate to game failure but also being in TGA doesn't translate to success lol. The hate from people however actually affects the developers, that's why Cory deleted his twitter account and that's basically what I don't want. 

If Horizon is a survivor game like I hope it would make sense to target the pc audience because data shows survivors do really good on steam over almost all kind of games but I just don't see a situation where more eyes watching are going to help the initial reception to any reveal of a new service from Sony, for now. The only way the Horizon multiplayer (Marathon and Fairgames too) is going to be successful is if it's good and I have my hopes that it will be so it doesn't matter if it's revealed there or in a SoP. At least in a SoP you have the people interested in Horizon watching and that will be a good start for that game.  

I don't think they are going to announce a big game in TGA either, that already happened in September with Wolverine. That's why Tokon in my opinion is the best choice and ironically despite all I just wrote I do think Sony is waiting for the most eyes to show Tokon. 



Just let Destiny 2 die so people can learn how to miss it in the 5+ years Destiny 3 is going to take. Doesn't matter what Bungie does Destiny 2 has no fixing.



-Adonis- said:

I'm doing my third run of Persona 5 Royal. I swear this game is still a masterpiece after all this time.

I already played through it on PS4 and a physical PS5 disc I got.

Those were only a few years ago and I'm already tempted to play it again on one of those or on PC or Xbox One. But I tell myself it can wait because there are other games to play. 



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