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May 25th would be ideal for me lol. Or maybe Sony announce the showcase on the 25th for the 1st.



Was just talking to a friend about PS games and exclusives, noting that Sony 'gets away' with tripe like forspoken because they've always got something to fall back on.

like, we were mentioning that neither of us like Gran Turismo or Uncharted or The Last of Us (Three of Sony's biggest franchises right now), but that was fine because we both love shit like Bloodborne and Horizon and Spider-Man and new god of War and Ratchet & Clank. Led to a bit of a discussion about Redfall because we were talking about the vastly different responses to Redfall and forspoken. both got similarly poor reviews, but the narrative is so unique from different perspectives.

Like, Forspoken comes out and seems to be pretty much maligned. Few people loved it, and it got a lot of flack for various reasons. but Playstation fans didn't really care too much because the PS5 was on the cusp of getting PSVR2 and only a few months away from Final Fantasy XVI, with stuff like FFVII Rebirth and Spider-Man 2 on the horizon.

but then Redfall comes out and...wow. Worse reviews yet I see so many people online/twitter going on about how 'this is all some anti-Xbox conspiracy' or that people are biased against Xbox or something. and like...no? Individuals may be biased. But the entire game review medium as a whole? Naw. so why are people acting this way? Obviously it's console loyalty to a point.

Xbox notoriously and famously just doesn't get many exclusive games to call their own. So EVERY game they get is the next big chance to redeem them. So when they have a flop like Redfall, they have to find excuses as to why it's not that bad...because that's where they invested and that's what they want to believe because they have to. IT's not like Nintendo or Playstation where a flop is worth a shrug and a 'let's move on'. One flop to Xbox is 50% of its games that year. And that really does suck.

I criticise them a LOT (Rightfully so, as finally the rest of the gaming discourse seems to be catching up), but I want them to succeed. It was actually disheartening to see Redfall do so poorly. and it was worse to see the lengths people would go to cope with that disappointment. It really shouldn't be like this. Nintendo is notoriously detached from their fanbase outside of Smash Bros and they keep cranking out classics because they don't really give a shit what everyone else is doing. They do their own thing and there's a certain art to that, and it's one of the reasons I love them so much. sony does this 'let's throw literally everything at the wall and see what sticks' approach, which does lead to a lot of bad shit but also leads to a lot of good shit, resulting in a hefty, wide berth of potential and diversity in their line up. But Xbox? They have a niche audience (Pretty much exclusively western audiences, with a love for sports, racing, and shooting....) yeah, they release other stuff too but it's always indie stuff. Hi Fi Rush is a blast, as is Vampire survivors and Pentiment is wonderful. Grounded is pretty awesome, too, but those games do not sell consoles, games like Halo and Forza and Gears and Fable and Elder Scrolls do...

Which makes it so much more sad when something like Redfall flops. It really NEEDED to be great and it was NOT. and that's a shame because 'what if Left 4 Dead but vampires with Arkane's unique elements' sounds like a home run. and it wasn't. And that's sad.

all they have left all year is Starfield...and given Bethesda's track record since the release of Skyrim I am not faithful it will be good. I hope it does, but still.

Meanwhile, I'm struggling to find the time to play the upcoming Tears of the Kingdom and Final Fantasy XVI. Three companies enter this summer, and two come out ahead. And that's sad. a three-pillar medium/industry would be ideal and would really balance things out. They need to stop apologizing and just do better.



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PS5, Switch, XSX

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android

When you play a Sony game you know it's Sony game. When you play a Nintendo game you know it's a Nintendo game. From Mario to Xenoblade. They have that feel. MS the last decade has not had that identity. They have felt like a box with everyone else shit on it. A lot of those exclusives just feel like any game. Esp the middling to badly reviewed ones. They just seem like a game you find anywhere. 360-era Xbox had an identity. Original Xbox struggles in that area as well but it was a new console for a new contender so it was mostly forgiven that for every Sudeki, Blinx, Azurik, Bruce Leee The Legend Continues. They still had Halo,PGR, JSRF, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Otogi, Amped, and more. So the system showed promise.

360 delivered pretty much on that hope for potential...until Kinect. Kinect I think was the beginning that Xbox started to lose that trust and audience. Then Xbox One was revealed and always online, DRM and such happened. An entire generation of broken promises and not very good games aside from Forza and Gears and the latter past its peak in popularity. Halo became less popular than Squid Kid shooter. Spencer has been great at PR but awful at managing studios and projects. It's been him promising every year esp in the XBO era. "Greatest year in Xbox history!" Then later apologizing for coming up short. It's been a cycle for years now. Xbox has no real identity anymore and has lost a lot of trust with consumers. GP is fine but it requires far less commitment than buying a console and supporting it.

Sony has had a generation head start on MS. They have delivered hits every generation in sales. A few flops like even PS4 had The Order 1886. But as mentioned they also had a Bloodborne.



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

Runa216 said:

Was just talking to a friend about PS games and exclusives, noting that Sony 'gets away' with tripe like forspoken because they've always got something to fall back on.

like, we were mentioning that neither of us like Gran Turismo or Uncharted or The Last of Us (Three of Sony's biggest franchises right now), but that was fine because we both love shit like Bloodborne and Horizon and Spider-Man and new god of War and Ratchet & Clank. Led to a bit of a discussion about Redfall because we were talking about the vastly different responses to Redfall and forspoken. both got similarly poor reviews, but the narrative is so unique from different perspectives.

Like, Forspoken comes out and seems to be pretty much maligned. Few people loved it, and it got a lot of flack for various reasons. but Playstation fans didn't really care too much because the PS5 was on the cusp of getting PSVR2 and only a few months away from Final Fantasy XVI, with stuff like FFVII Rebirth and Spider-Man 2 on the horizon.

but then Redfall comes out and...wow. Worse reviews yet I see so many people online/twitter going on about how 'this is all some anti-Xbox conspiracy' or that people are biased against Xbox or something. and like...no? Individuals may be biased. But the entire game review medium as a whole? Naw. so why are people acting this way? Obviously it's console loyalty to a point.

Xbox notoriously and famously just doesn't get many exclusive games to call their own. So EVERY game they get is the next big chance to redeem them. So when they have a flop like Redfall, they have to find excuses as to why it's not that bad...because that's where they invested and that's what they want to believe because they have to. IT's not like Nintendo or Playstation where a flop is worth a shrug and a 'let's move on'. One flop to Xbox is 50% of its games that year. And that really does suck.

I criticise them a LOT (Rightfully so, as finally the rest of the gaming discourse seems to be catching up), but I want them to succeed. It was actually disheartening to see Redfall do so poorly. and it was worse to see the lengths people would go to cope with that disappointment. It really shouldn't be like this. Nintendo is notoriously detached from their fanbase outside of Smash Bros and they keep cranking out classics because they don't really give a shit what everyone else is doing. They do their own thing and there's a certain art to that, and it's one of the reasons I love them so much. sony does this 'let's throw literally everything at the wall and see what sticks' approach, which does lead to a lot of bad shit but also leads to a lot of good shit, resulting in a hefty, wide berth of potential and diversity in their line up. But Xbox? They have a niche audience (Pretty much exclusively western audiences, with a love for sports, racing, and shooting....) yeah, they release other stuff too but it's always indie stuff. Hi Fi Rush is a blast, as is Vampire survivors and Pentiment is wonderful. Grounded is pretty awesome, too, but those games do not sell consoles, games like Halo and Forza and Gears and Fable and Elder Scrolls do...

Which makes it so much more sad when something like Redfall flops. It really NEEDED to be great and it was NOT. and that's a shame because 'what if Left 4 Dead but vampires with Arkane's unique elements' sounds like a home run. and it wasn't. And that's sad.

all they have left all year is Starfield...and given Bethesda's track record since the release of Skyrim I am not faithful it will be good. I hope it does, but still.

Meanwhile, I'm struggling to find the time to play the upcoming Tears of the Kingdom and Final Fantasy XVI. Three companies enter this summer, and two come out ahead. And that's sad. a three-pillar medium/industry would be ideal and would really balance things out. They need to stop apologizing and just do better.

I'll just disagree on one aspect. Since PS4 early days Sony isn't much more on the "let's throw it at the wall and see what sticks", they are a lot less experimenting now and much more putting blockbusters most of the time. I guess the PS3 time became a learning experience when they were experiencing a lot and discovered what worked better for them. Sure they still make some unique games, but their bread and butter have been very clear for the past 10 years or so.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Leynos said:

When you play a Sony game you know it's Sony game. When you play a Nintendo game you know it's a Nintendo game. From Mario to Xenoblade. They have that feel. MS the last decade has not had that identity. They have felt like a box with everyone else shit on it. A lot of those exclusives just feel like any game. Esp the middling to badly reviewed ones. They just seem like a game you find anywhere. 360-era Xbox had an identity. Original Xbox struggles in that area as well but it was a new console for a new contender so it was mostly forgiven that for every Sudeki, Blinx, Azurik, Bruce Leee The Legend Continues. They still had Halo,PGR, JSRF, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Otogi, Amped, and more. So the system showed promise.

360 delivered pretty much on that hope for potential...until Kinect. Kinect I think was the beginning that Xbox started to lose that trust and audience. Then Xbox One was revealed and always online, DRM and such happened. An entire generation of broken promises and not very good games aside from Forza and Gears and the latter past its peak in popularity. Halo became less popular than Squid Kid shooter. Spencer has been great at PR but awful at managing studios and projects. It's been him promising every year esp in the XBO era. "Greatest year in Xbox history!" Then later apologizing for coming up short. It's been a cycle for years now. Xbox has no real identity anymore and has lost a lot of trust with consumers. GP is fine but it requires far less commitment than buying a console and supporting it.

Sony has had a generation head start on MS. They have delivered hits every generation in sales. A few flops like even PS4 had The Order 1886. But as mentioned they also had a Bloodborne.

For all the flack The Order, Knack, Driveclub and Days Gone got I did enjoy them and they were trying some new stuff, but nowhere I would defend them as GREAT games, they were good (DC and DG after the patches were almost great, The Order is good but really to short... and well Knack is a masterpiece, even outselling Mario in UK, but most can't accept it /jk - my daughter and son loves Knack 1 and 2 though).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Horizon 2 has sold 8.4 million.

Horizon 1 was around 7.6 million at 1 year, 10 million at 2 years. So tracking similarly.  

Kind of shows what a juggernaut God of War Ragnarok was. (11 million in 3 months)



PlayStation India Heroes

Posted on the front page.

Sony funding India game development.



Runa216 said:

Was just talking to a friend about PS games and exclusives, noting that Sony 'gets away' with tripe like forspoken because they've always got something to fall back on.

like, we were mentioning that neither of us like Gran Turismo or Uncharted or The Last of Us (Three of Sony's biggest franchises right now), but that was fine because we both love shit like Bloodborne and Horizon and Spider-Man and new god of War and Ratchet & Clank. Led to a bit of a discussion about Redfall because we were talking about the vastly different responses to Redfall and forspoken. both got similarly poor reviews, but the narrative is so unique from different perspectives.

Like, Forspoken comes out and seems to be pretty much maligned. Few people loved it, and it got a lot of flack for various reasons. but Playstation fans didn't really care too much because the PS5 was on the cusp of getting PSVR2 and only a few months away from Final Fantasy XVI, with stuff like FFVII Rebirth and Spider-Man 2 on the horizon.

but then Redfall comes out and...wow. Worse reviews yet I see so many people online/twitter going on about how 'this is all some anti-Xbox conspiracy' or that people are biased against Xbox or something. and like...no? Individuals may be biased. But the entire game review medium as a whole? Naw. so why are people acting this way? Obviously it's console loyalty to a point.

Xbox notoriously and famously just doesn't get many exclusive games to call their own. So EVERY game they get is the next big chance to redeem them. So when they have a flop like Redfall, they have to find excuses as to why it's not that bad...because that's where they invested and that's what they want to believe because they have to. IT's not like Nintendo or Playstation where a flop is worth a shrug and a 'let's move on'. One flop to Xbox is 50% of its games that year. And that really does suck.

I criticise them a LOT (Rightfully so, as finally the rest of the gaming discourse seems to be catching up), but I want them to succeed. It was actually disheartening to see Redfall do so poorly. and it was worse to see the lengths people would go to cope with that disappointment. It really shouldn't be like this. Nintendo is notoriously detached from their fanbase outside of Smash Bros and they keep cranking out classics because they don't really give a shit what everyone else is doing. They do their own thing and there's a certain art to that, and it's one of the reasons I love them so much. sony does this 'let's throw literally everything at the wall and see what sticks' approach, which does lead to a lot of bad shit but also leads to a lot of good shit, resulting in a hefty, wide berth of potential and diversity in their line up. But Xbox? They have a niche audience (Pretty much exclusively western audiences, with a love for sports, racing, and shooting....) yeah, they release other stuff too but it's always indie stuff. Hi Fi Rush is a blast, as is Vampire survivors and Pentiment is wonderful. Grounded is pretty awesome, too, but those games do not sell consoles, games like Halo and Forza and Gears and Fable and Elder Scrolls do...

Which makes it so much more sad when something like Redfall flops. It really NEEDED to be great and it was NOT. and that's a shame because 'what if Left 4 Dead but vampires with Arkane's unique elements' sounds like a home run. and it wasn't. And that's sad.

all they have left all year is Starfield...and given Bethesda's track record since the release of Skyrim I am not faithful it will be good. I hope it does, but still.

Meanwhile, I'm struggling to find the time to play the upcoming Tears of the Kingdom and Final Fantasy XVI. Three companies enter this summer, and two come out ahead. And that's sad. a three-pillar medium/industry would be ideal and would really balance things out. They need to stop apologizing and just do better.

the-pi-guy said:

Horizon 2 has sold 8.4 million.

Horizon 1 was around 7.6 million at 1 year, 10 million at 2 years. So tracking similarly.  

Kind of shows what a juggernaut God of War Ragnarok was. (11 million in 3 months)

But but i was told it was a 💣



 

the-pi-guy said:

Horizon 2 has sold 8.4 million.

Horizon 1 was around 7.6 million at 1 year, 10 million at 2 years. So tracking similarly.  

Kind of shows what a juggernaut God of War Ragnarok was. (11 million in 3 months)

I will say I certainly expected quite more, but since a lot of people held out on buying PS4 because they wanted to play it on PS5 there may still have plenty of potential for growth (DLC certainly may help it).

the-pi-guy said:

PlayStation India Heroes

Posted on the front page.

Sony funding India game development.

I certainly approve of this and have been saying that Sony should do even more on this front. Fund/nurture/open studio in more countries/continents so we can have more true diversity like a game as good as God of War, but based on some african religion on indigenous brazilian with gameplay and mechanics that would be different as well and other types of games as well. Also in PC it may be indiferent, but I think on PS the game having some co-development/funding/marketing from Sony may do a big difference for an Indie/AA game.

I would say MS would benefit even more on this approach on GP, would also help to market the service by fostering local communities.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."