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xboxgreen said:
the-pi-guy said:

Office jobs were just an example. Plenty of people would rather take the millions of retail, service jobs etc.

There was already a labor shortage for agriculture. 

Farmers Struggle to Find Labor, Threatening Americans’ Food Supply and Prices

Help Wanted: How Farmers Are Tackling a Labor Shortage

Farmers Across the Midwest Struggle to Hire Domestic Employees

You can find plenty of articles about how there are too many open agriculture jobs going back years. 

Your fantasy that Farmers are suddenly going to be able to pay enough, and that American workers are suddenly going to pick up the jobs that were already available, is just that. It's not rooted in any kind of reality. 

xboxgreen said:

Illegal immigrants are getting benefits like free health care because they will never be held accountable for the bills they rack up.

Except they're not, except in cases of emergency. Thanks to Ronald Reagan. 

NIMBYism isn't Democratic policy.  It shows up everywhere on the political spectrum. 

Also the market doesn't really want to be free. Corporations want to be the exclusive provider of a service/good. That's why they buy up competition. 

Americans would do the agriculture jobs if they are payed fairly. Look at how many Americans work on oil rigs. Not to mention if you remove welfare and section 8 housing you would see a lot more workers in agriculture.

Stealing money through taxes and distributing it is not a free market. Housing, Food, education, and health care would be a lot cheaper if it weren't for democrats and their socialist policies. Democrats interfere in the market more than any political group.

Anything can be consider an emergency now days for medical care. Democrats allowed illegal immigrants to pour into our country just to gain votes. Shows how horrible they are.

Again, even if they work in agriculture jobs if they would be payed fairly, Americans wouldn't buy that food because it would radically jack up the prices (as explained before, by at least 500% to make up for the much higher salary of the workers). By that point, food is either becoming a luxury or you'd have to import from abroad to avoid food prices from exploding.



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
xboxgreen said:

Americans would do the agriculture jobs if they are payed fairly. Look at how many Americans work on oil rigs. Not to mention if you remove welfare and section 8 housing you would see a lot more workers in agriculture.

Stealing money through taxes and distributing it is not a free market. Housing, Food, education, and health care would be a lot cheaper if it weren't for democrats and their socialist policies. Democrats interfere in the market more than any political group.

Anything can be consider an emergency now days for medical care. Democrats allowed illegal immigrants to pour into our country just to gain votes. Shows how horrible they are.

Again, even if they work in agriculture jobs if they would be payed fairly, Americans wouldn't buy that food because it would radically jack up the prices (as explained before, by at least 500% to make up for the much higher salary of the workers). By that point, food is either becoming a luxury or you'd have to import from abroad to avoid food prices from exploding.

Not true at all, food will see small increases overall. Get rid of welfare, food stamps, section 8 housing, etc will make food prices and housing go down significantly. Those social programs jacked up the price of all products artificially. Not to mention we will have a bigger work force which will also drive down prices of products.



LurkerJ said:
Ryuu96 said:

Not sure how anyone in MAGA can believe anything he says now about the files, even if something is released, first the files existed and was on their desk, then the files didn't exist at all, now the files are written by Obama and Clinton, which is incredibly suspicious and something someone would say only if they thought they were on the files.

Schrödinger's Epstein Files.

Let's see how this pans out. Ro Khanna is exploiting the situation. Great political chess move:

@RoKhanna

"Why are the Epstein files still hidden? Who are the rich & powerful being protected? On Tuesday, I'm introducing an amendment to force a vote demanding the FULL Epstein files be released to the public. The Speaker must call a vote & put every Congress member on record."

Not to mention the pedophiles, the enablers, those who turn a blind eye, those who lie by omission, all should be punished. This should be a bipartisan 

"@RoKhanna

Rules voted 5-7 to block the full House from voting on my amendment to have a FULL release of the Epstein file. People are fed up. They are fed up. Thanks ⁦
@RepRalphNorman. Need to put the American people before party!"


xboxgreen said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Again, even if they work in agriculture jobs if they would be payed fairly, Americans wouldn't buy that food because it would radically jack up the prices (as explained before, by at least 500% to make up for the much higher salary of the workers). By that point, food is either becoming a luxury or you'd have to import from abroad to avoid food prices from exploding.

Not true at all, food will see small increases overall. Get rid of welfare, food stamps, section 8 housing, etc will make food prices and housing go down significantly. Those social programs jacked up the price of all products artificially. Not to mention we will have a bigger work force which will also drive down prices of products.

Now explain to me how things that have zero effect on food prices like welfare and housing would have any effect on food prices. As for the food for food stamps, less than point one percent of all the food in the US are used in this program, so removing those would have no real measurable effect on the prices.



Consumer prices rose in June as President Donald Trump’s tariffs began to slowly work their way through the U.S. economy.

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— CNBC (@cnbc.com) 15 July 2025 at 13:38

US inflation heated back up in June, with higher prices – including those from President Trump's tariffs – starting to pack a bigger punch.

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— CNN (@cnn.com) 15 July 2025 at 13:38

Economy is going brilliantly guys, the stock market is high!



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smroadkill15 said:

MAGA faithfuls will do whatever they can to brush the Epstein stuff under the rug. Charlie Kirk went from wanting the Epstein list exposed to now saying he won't talk about any more. It's disgusting. I'm fully convinced if Trump was caught red handed with his name all over the Epstein files, at least a quarter of MAGA would still support him since he would only have to say the 2 magical words: "fake news", and they would believe him.

LurkerJ said:
LurkerJ said:

Let's see how this pans out. Ro Khanna is exploiting the situation. Great political chess move:

@RoKhanna

"Why are the Epstein files still hidden? Who are the rich & powerful being protected? On Tuesday, I'm introducing an amendment to force a vote demanding the FULL Epstein files be released to the public. The Speaker must call a vote & put every Congress member on record."

Not to mention the pedophiles, the enablers, those who turn a blind eye, those who lie by omission, all should be punished. This should be a bipartisan 

"@RoKhanna

Rules voted 5-7 to block the full House from voting on my amendment to have a FULL release of the Epstein file. People are fed up. They are fed up. Thanks ⁦
@RepRalphNorman. Need to put the American people before party!"

I see the cult is starting to fall in line already, one at a time until it's only people like MTG screaming into the void all alone.

Virginia Foxx (R-NC)
Michelle Fischbach (R-MN)
Erin Houchin (R-IN)
Nick Langworthy (R-NY)
Austin Scott (R-GA)
Morgan Griffith (R-PA)
Brian Jack (R-GA)



He had planned to return to Ireland in December, but was briefly unable to fly due to a health issue, his medical records show. He was only three days overdue to leave the US when an encounter with police landed him in Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) custody.

From there, what should have been a minor incident became a nightmarish ordeal: he was detained by Ice in three different facilities, ultimately spending roughly 100 days behind bars with little understanding of why he was being held – or when he’d get out.

Irish tourist jailed by Ice for months after overstaying US visit by three days: ‘Nobody is safe’ | US immigration | The Guardian

Must be another one of those poor little "accidents" because forcing a man who overstayed by 3 days to then stay 100 extra days in America makes more sense than just putting him on the nearest flight back to Ireland. In all seriousness, they simply want to be cruel and nothing more, they could have easily put him on a flight to Ireland but instead decide to be cunts for 100 days.

The World Cup drama will be something else, I wonder how many drunken Football fans will accidentally overstay, Lol.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 15 July 2025

xboxgreen said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Again, even if they work in agriculture jobs if they would be payed fairly, Americans wouldn't buy that food because it would radically jack up the prices (as explained before, by at least 500% to make up for the much higher salary of the workers). By that point, food is either becoming a luxury or you'd have to import from abroad to avoid food prices from exploding.

Not true at all, food will see small increases overall. Get rid of welfare, food stamps, section 8 housing, etc will make food prices and housing go down significantly. Those social programs jacked up the price of all products artificially. Not to mention we will have a bigger work force which will also drive down prices of products.

On the other side of tarifs to raise competitor prices are farm subsidies to lower domestic prices.

https://usafacts.org/articles/federal-farm-subsidies-what-data-says/

9.3 billion a year spend on keeping farms afloat, 6% of farm income is 'social assistance'. Farms operate with zero margins, any increase in wages either comes from the consumer or from the tax payer in subsidies. 

But it will mostly lead to people eating cheaper more unhealthy food, increasing healthcare costs.

If you want lower 'welfare' costs you should attack the private/corporate health sector that artificially keeps healthcare in the USA the most expensive in the world thanks to big pharma lobbying. (For example, in 2023, the US spent $13,432 per person, while the comparable country average was $7,393)

Social programs do not drive up prices, tax cuts do however. For example in The Netherlands housing prices soared when mortgages turned into tax deductible 'investments'. Since you could deduct the interest paid on a mortage from your income, originally intended to increase home ownership, house prices went up as people stopped baying back their mortage, instead banking on the tax deductions on the interest while leaving the mortage to be payed back when selling the house (for expected profit).

https://economy-finance.ec.europa.eu/document/download/97d9f604-8c96-4a33-a2a1-23dd97a1cb19_en?filename=eb072_en.pdf


Tax cuts increase inequality as they most benefit those already well off. 
Social programs decrease inequality.
Inequality drives up prices and inflation.

It's not as simple as stated above but in general that is the effect we have been seeing in many countries.



Ryuu96 said:
smroadkill15 said:

MAGA faithfuls will do whatever they can to brush the Epstein stuff under the rug. Charlie Kirk went from wanting the Epstein list exposed to now saying he won't talk about any more. It's disgusting. I'm fully convinced if Trump was caught red handed with his name all over the Epstein files, at least a quarter of MAGA would still support him since he would only have to say the 2 magical words: "fake news", and they would believe him.

LurkerJ said:

"@RoKhanna

Rules voted 5-7 to block the full House from voting on my amendment to have a FULL release of the Epstein file. People are fed up. They are fed up. Thanks ⁦
@RepRalphNorman. Need to put the American people before party!"

I see the cult is starting to fall in line already, one at a time until it's only people like MTG screaming into the void all alone.

Virginia Foxx (R-NC)
Michelle Fischbach (R-MN)
Erin Houchin (R-IN)
Nick Langworthy (R-NY)
Austin Scott (R-GA)
Morgan Griffith (R-PA)
Brian Jack (R-GA)

Protect the children, but only from some trans people on TikTok that are innocent of any wrongdoing, not from actual pedophiles. 



The backtracking spin right now is wild

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— Desarrayed (@desarrayed.bsky.social) 15 July 2025 at 16:27

Lmfao. Wtf. Stfu Russian Agent

This is what you'd find if someone finally managed to take Tim Pool's hat off.

Also Tim Pool...