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SvennoJ on 22 December 2023

The resolution now seems weakened enough for the US to not veto it

UN Security Council resolution for more aid into Gaza softened as US says it will support it

A United Nations Security Council resolution on suspending fighting between Israel and Hamas and allowing more aid into Gaza has been softened, according to a source familiar with the text, as the United States says it’s ready to support it. 

The UN is poised to vote Friday on the resolution. Language calling for “urgent steps” to lay the ground “for a sustainable cessation of hostilities” was instrumental in the United States’ decision to support a resolution from the United Nations Security Council, increasing the flow of humanitarian aid to Gaza while calling for a halt in hostilities.

The language of the text has been replaced with “urgent steps to immediately allow safe and unhindered humanitarian access, and also for creating the conditions for a sustainable cessation of hostilities,” according to the source. 

A diplomatic source previously told CNN that key issues with the negotiations over the draft included language on the “cessation of hostilities” and a call for the UN to “establish a monitoring mechanism in the Gaza Strip with the necessary personnel and equipment, under the authority of the United Nations Secretary-General.”

Diplomats had been working behind closed doors to finalize a resolution drafted by the United Arab Emirates. A US official familiar with the discussions said the draft had started with calling for an “urgent cessation” of hostilities. Neither the United States nor Israel currently supports a ceasefire, so the US countered with “a more passive formulation,” the official said, describing the language that ended up in the resolution.

“Israel is aware and can live with it,” the official added, while arguing it was not the language on the cessation of hostilities that caused the delays but rather the disagreements over the monitoring mechanism.

US ambassador to the UN Linda Thomas-Greenfield announced late Thursday that the US would support the measure after previously voting four times to delay a vote on the resolution.



Israel doesn't want the UN monitoring the situation, I guess they want to reduce the amount of scandals when hitting UN personnel.

Palestinian head of key Israel-Gaza border crossing killed in Israeli strike, Gaza official says  

The director of the Gaza side of the Kerem Shalom crossing, a key border crossing between Israel and Gaza that was recently reopened for the entry of aid into the Palestinian enclave, was killed in an Israeli strike on Thursday, a Gazan border official told CNN. 

Bassam Ghaben and three other employees were killed after being hit by an Israeli drone strike, the official said.  

The Israeli military said on Friday that it “struck armed terrorists near” the crossing and that the incident is under review.  

“The IDF attacked Hamas militants with weapons that came and approached to our border and to this crossing, period," Col. Moshe Tetro, a senior Israeli defense ministry official with responsibilities for Gaza, told CNN Friday. 

He declined to answer, when pressed by CNN, on whether the reported militants presented an imminent threat. "I think that I gave a very clear answer. We attacked militants with weapons," he said.  

Stéphane Dujarric, a spokesperson for the UN Secretary-General, said on Thursday that delivery operations at the crossing were temporarily suspended after the reported strike and that the UN believes the aid deliveries have now resumed. A CNN team on the ground on the Israeli side of the crossing witnessed aid trucks heading into Israel from Egypt and getting checked at Kerem Shalom — and appeared to be heading into Gaza. 


Got to keep bombing freely anywhere, even the designated safe areas

Israel struck some areas it directed civilians to in Gaza, CNN analysis shows

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/israel-strikes-evacuation-zones-gaza-intl-cmd/index.html

Israel has struck at least three locations in Gaza to which it had ordered civilians to evacuate since the breakdown of a fragile truce between Israel and Hamas earlier this month, CNN analysis has found.



Aid is only allowed in at Rafah and Kerem Shalom. It currently can't reach the North of Gaza, where Israel wants civilians to return to there bombed out homes...



Israel dropped hundreds of 2,000-pound bombs on Gaza, analysis shows

In the first month of its war in Gaza, Israel dropped hundreds of massive bombs, many of them capable of killing or wounding people more than 1,000 feet away, analysis by CNN and artificial intelligence company Synthetaic suggests.

Satellite imagery from those early days of the war reveals more than 500 impact craters over 12 meters (40 feet) in diameter, consistent with those left behind by 2,000-pound bombs. Those are four times heavier than the largest bombs the United States dropped on ISIS in Mosul, Iraq, during the war against the extremist group there.

Weapons and warfare experts blame the extensive use of heavy munitions such as the 2,000-pound bomb for the soaring death toll. The population of Gaza is packed together much more tightly than almost anywhere else on earth, so the use of such heavy munitions has a profound effect.


US Bombs btw

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/u-s-sends-israel-2-000-pound-bunker-buster-bombs-for-gaza-war-82898638


Hopefully aid increases quickly. Only 10% of what's needed is currently allowed in.


The proportion of households in Gaza affected by high levels of acute food insecurity is the largest ever recorded globally, according to the report by the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) published on Thursday.



No wonder the US wants to block Gaza from being discussed in a conference about the Geneva conventions. Back to medieval times, with bigger cannons.



Israel indicates it’s widening military operation in Gaza ahead of expected UN Security Council vote

Israel indicated Friday that it is widening its military operation in Gaza as the United States says it is ready to support a United Nations Security Council resolution calling for suspension of fighting and increase in aid to the besieged enclave.

The Israel Defense Forces on Friday ordered the residents of the Al-Bureij refugee camp in Deir al-Balah and several other areas in central Gaza to move to shelters for safety, signaling a new focus of the ground offensive. Shortly after the warning on Friday, an Israeli airstrike hit the Al-Bureij refugee camp, a hospital spokesperson said.


Any efforts for relief only seem to only have the opposite effect

A screen grab captured from the ‘X’ (formerly known as Twitter) account of the Israeli army spokesperson shows attacks and explosion in Er-Rimal neighborhood of Gaza City, Gaza on Dec. 21 [Israel Defense Forces/Anadolu Agency]



Gaza resolution passes at the UN Security Council


The watered-down resolution calling for more humanitarian aid to Gaza has passed, after a week of delays.

The US and Russia both abstained.

Russian amendment vetoed by US


The amendment sought to reintroduce language calling for a “suspension” of hostilities.

Ten voted in favour. Four abstained. The US voted against, which invoked their veto power.

Vassily Nebenzia has said the US opposition to the initial draft resolution, which resulted in days of negotiations, has resulted in a “toothless” and “neutered” draft. He particularly criticised watered-down language that called for the creation of “conditions for a sustainable cessation of hostilities”, saying it fell short of actually pausing fighting and would give Israel a “free hand” to continue its operations.

He introduced an amendment that would call for a “suspension” of fighting to allow more aid access.

 

UAE envoy to UN: ‘Only a ceasefire will end the suffering’


Lana Zaki Nusseibeh said the text is the product of “extensive consultations and engagement”.

“The purpose of this text is very simple,” she said. It seeks to respond to the “dire humanitarian situation on the ground for the Palestinian people bearing the brunt of this conflict, while protecting those who are trying to deliver life-saving aid”.

She said all crossings must be opened to scale up aid to Gaza. Still, she added, “If deconfliction does not happen, aid simply cannot reach those who need it.”

The draft resolution, which does not call for a ceasefire, comes up short, she said, “We know this is not a perfect text. We know only a ceasefire will end the suffering.”




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SvennoJ on 22 December 2023

Israeli UN envoy dismisses Security Council resolution


Gilad Erdan, speaking during the council meeting, says “The UN’s focus only on aid mechanisms to Gaza is unnecessary and disconnected from reality.”

He continued, saying that “Israel is already allowing aid deliveries at the required scale,” and that “The UN should have focused on the humanitarian crisis of the hostages.”

Erdan also thanked the US for its support during negotiations on the resolution, which according to him kept in place Israel’s ability to continue inspecting aid that enters Gaza.


Foreign minister reiterates Israel won’t stop until Hamas is eliminated

Eli Cohen said in a social media post that Israel would continue its war in Gaza “until the release of all the hostages and the elimination of Hamas in the Gaza Strip”.

Cohen added that Israel would “continue to screen all humanitarian aid to Gaza for security reasons”.

Commenting directly on the Security Council resolution that passed, Cohen said that the decision “emphasizes the need to ensure that the UN becomes more efficient in transferring the humanitarian aid and to make sure that the aid reaches its destination and does not end up in the hands of Hamas terrorists”.



Israeli UN envoy says only barrier to aid deliveries is ‘UN’s ability to accept them’


Israel has condemned UN leadership’s response to the conflict and has accused UNRWA, which coordinates aid deliveries in Gaza, of turning a blind eye to Hamas’s operations. The agency has rejected the claim.

UNRWA has said its facilities have been repeatedly hit by Israeli attacks, with 70 percent of its local staff displaced. At least 136 UNRWA staff have been killed.

Observers have said aid deliveries have been slowed by onerous Israeli security inspection.

Israeli envoy to the UN Jonathan Miller, speaking at the Security Council, said those inspections must remain.

“Enhancing UN monitoring and coordination of aid is not a cure-all,” Miller said. “Any enhancement of UN aid monitoring cannot be done at the expense of Israel security inspections”.



It's nothing new, Israel has been restricting the flow of goods to Gaza for decades, report from 2015, 2019

https://www.ochaopt.org/content/gaza-strip-import-restrictions-impede-delivery-services-and-humanitarian-assistance

https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2019/04/17/world-bank-calls-for-reform-to-the-dual-use-goods-system-to-revive-a-stagnant-palestinian-economy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_imports




Anyway thanks to the US, another pointless neutered resolution which won't change a thing.
Well apart from buying Israel more time to ramp up the bombardments more.


We are calling on the UN Security Council to adopt a resolution to ensure unimpeded access to life-saving humanitarian aid and secure the safe release of hostages. #CeasefireForGazaNOW Our campaign ran today in the @nytimes and the @Guardian



SvennoJ on 22 December 2023

UN Security Council passes Gaza resolution as Israel prepares to expand offensive.

  • Israel dismisses the decision: Israel called the resolution "unnecessary" and claimed it "proves the inability for the UN to play a positive role in the conflict," though it thanked the US for its efforts to "address the most problematic elements." Israel's ambassador to the UN said the global body was too focused on aid to Gaza, instead of the crisis of hostages captured by Hamas.
  • Hamas also largely rejects the move: Hamas said the resolution was "an insufficient step," given that it did not include an international resolution to stop the war. Hamas also slammed the US, saying it "worked hard to empty this resolution of its essence, and to issue it in this weak formula."
  • Humanitarian organization says more help is needed: The International Rescue Committee welcomed calls for immediate humanitarian access but criticized the resolution for not including a call for a ceasefire. "With more than 20,000 Palestinians killed and latest food insecurity numbers showing unprecedented threat of starvation in Gaza, much more is clearly needed," the IRC said in a statement.
  • Deepening hunger crisis: Children in the Gaza Strip under the age of 5 — about 335,000 kids — are all at high risk of severe malnutrition and preventable death, according to a UNICEF statement Friday. That follows a warning from a UN-backed food security agency Thursday that the risk of famine is increasing every day that hostilities persist or worsen.
  • Aid enters Gaza under challenging conditions: The Palestine Red Crescent Society said it received 70 humanitarian aid trucks on Friday through the Rafah border crossing with Egypt. But the head of the UN said Israel's military activity in Gaza is creating "massive obstacles" for aid distribution in the enclave. UN Secretary-General António Guterres says measuring the success of aid operations by the number of trucks entering Gaza is a mistake because distributing the goods amid "intense Israeli bombardment" and ground operations is highly dangerous.
  • Israel prepares to expand offensive: The Israel Defense Forces is preparing "to expand the operation into new areas" in the Gaza Strip, with an emphasis on southern Gaza, IDF spokesperson Daniel Hagari said Friday in a media briefing. His remarks follow comments from the Israeli defense minister that highlighted operations in southern Gaza and vowed to expand to other parts of Gaza "in the future." And the IDF also ordered residents in several areas of central Gaza to move to shelters for safety, signaling a new focus of the ground offensive and a potentially widening military operation in the enclave.

 

UNICEF: All children under age 5 in Gaza at high risk of preventable death due to food insecurity

Children in the Gaza Strip under the age of 5 — about 335,000 kids — are at high risk of severe malnutrition and preventable death, as the risk of famine conditions continues to increase, according to a UNICEF statement on Friday.

In the coming weeks, "at least 10,000 children under five years will suffer the most life-threatening form of malnutrition, known as severe wasting, and will need therapeutic foods," according to UNICEF. 
"This means for many families in Gaza, the threat of dying from hunger is already real," UNICEF added.

The UNICEF statement comes after the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) reported Thursday that approximately all of Gaza’s 2.2 million residents are now facing acute hunger. The entire population of the Gaza Strip is classified in a state of crisis, according to IPC.

That's the highest share of people facing catastrophic levels of acute food insecurity that the IPC initiative has ever classified for any given area or country, the report stated. 

“Many adults go hungry so children can eat,” according to IPC, calling for humanitarian access to be restored throughout the region to enable the rapid delivery of life-saving aid. 

UNICEF also said it is particularly concerned about the nutrition of more than 155,000 pregnant women and breastfeeding mothers, as well as more than 135,000 children under the age of 2, given their specific nutrition needs.

The organization added that "the IPC has emphasized that these conditions do not have to persist. Yesterday's warning of famine in the coming weeks and months can still be averted. But we must act now."

CNN's Eyad Kourdi and CNN’s Michael Rios contributed reporting to this post.



My grandmother lost her first child from starvation in a Japanese prison camp, it's especially hard to see this happening in real time to a million people. My grandmother never recovered from the loss, never talked about it but it caused life long rifts in the family.

Fuck Biden and US congress. The only ones that have a chance to reign in their ally's maniacal genocidal government of Israel is only working to wash Israel's hands and block the rest of the world from helping. And for what? The Israeli vote?

Poll suggests Israelis prefer Biden to Trump as next US president: Report

According to a new survey, 40 percent of the people in Israel want US President Joe Biden to be re-elected in 2024, compared with about 26 percent who prefer rival Donald Trump, the Times of Israel reported.

The poll showed a big swing among Israelis compared with 2020. Back then, more than 60 percent of them preferred Trump as US president and 17 percent backed Biden.


At home

Looking at the approval ratings of the past seven presidents at the same point in their first term in office, Biden’s current 39% is the lowest. Barack Obama (43%) and Donald Trump (45%) had slightly higher ratings heading into the year they sought reelection, while all of the others were above 50%.



UNSC resolution ‘greenlighting genocide’: Former UNRWA official

Chris Gunness says what’s unfolding in Gaza is “an American-Israeli genocide – it’s not just an Israeli genocide”.

“Just as America provides Israel with $4bn of military support per annum, it’s also – as we’ve seen tonight – providing Israel with diplomatic and political cover to continue with a genocide which is marked by the wholesale and industrial ignoring of international humanitarian law,” Gunness told Al Jazeera.

He added that Israeli statements following the passage of the Security Council resolution make it clear the country plans to retain control of what goes into Gaza. “It’s clear that [Israel] … as it’s done in the past, [intends] to have a veto over what goes into Gaza,” Gunness said.




But don't worry, we'll send a fleet to the Red Sea to keep the luxury goods coming in on time...
https://nationalpost.com/news/why-canada-helping-protect-ships-in-red-sea

Fuck this world. Merry Christmas :(



zeldaring on 22 December 2023
SvennoJ said:

UN Security Council passes Gaza resolution as Israel prepares to expand offensive.

  • Israel dismisses the decision: Israel called the resolution "unnecessary" and claimed it "proves the inability for the UN to play a positive role in the conflict," though it thanked the US for its efforts to "address the most problematic elements." Israel's ambassador to the UN said the global body was too focused on aid to Gaza, instead of the crisis of hostages captured by Hamas.
  • Hamas also largely rejects the move: Hamas said the resolution was "an insufficient step," given that it did not include an international resolution to stop the war. Hamas also slammed the US, saying it "worked hard to empty this resolution of its essence, and to issue it in this weak formula."
  • Humanitarian organization says more help is needed: The International Rescue Committee welcomed calls for immediate humanitarian access but criticized the resolution for not including a call for a ceasefire. "With more than 20,000 Palestinians killed and latest food insecurity numbers showing unprecedented threat of starvation in Gaza, much more is clearly needed," the IRC said in a statement.
  • Deepening hunger crisis: Children in the Gaza Strip under the age of 5 — about 335,000 kids — are all at high risk of severe malnutrition and preventable death, according to a UNICEF statement Friday. That follows a warning from a UN-backed food security agency Thursday that the risk of famine is increasing every day that hostilities persist or worsen.
  • Aid enters Gaza under challenging conditions: The Palestine Red Crescent Society said it received 70 humanitarian aid trucks on Friday through the Rafah border crossing with Egypt. But the head of the UN said Israel's military activity in Gaza is creating "massive obstacles" for aid distribution in the enclave. UN Secretary-General António Guterres says measuring the success of aid operations by the number of trucks entering Gaza is a mistake because distributing the goods amid "intense Israeli bombardment" and ground operations is highly dangerous.
  • Israel prepares to expand offensive: The Israel Defense Forces is preparing "to expand the operation into new areas" in the Gaza Strip, with an emphasis on southern Gaza, IDF spokesperson Daniel Hagari said Friday in a media briefing. His remarks follow comments from the Israeli defense minister that highlighted operations in southern Gaza and vowed to expand to other parts of Gaza "in the future." And the IDF also ordered residents in several areas of central Gaza to move to shelters for safety, signaling a new focus of the ground offensive and a potentially widening military operation in the enclave.

 

UNICEF: All children under age 5 in Gaza at high risk of preventable death due to food insecurity

Children in the Gaza Strip under the age of 5 — about 335,000 kids — are at high risk of severe malnutrition and preventable death, as the risk of famine conditions continues to increase, according to a UNICEF statement on Friday.

In the coming weeks, "at least 10,000 children under five years will suffer the most life-threatening form of malnutrition, known as severe wasting, and will need therapeutic foods," according to UNICEF. 
"This means for many families in Gaza, the threat of dying from hunger is already real," UNICEF added.

The UNICEF statement comes after the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) reported Thursday that approximately all of Gaza’s 2.2 million residents are now facing acute hunger. The entire population of the Gaza Strip is classified in a state of crisis, according to IPC.

That's the highest share of people facing catastrophic levels of acute food insecurity that the IPC initiative has ever classified for any given area or country, the report stated. 

“Many adults go hungry so children can eat,” according to IPC, calling for humanitarian access to be restored throughout the region to enable the rapid delivery of life-saving aid. 

UNICEF also said it is particularly concerned about the nutrition of more than 155,000 pregnant women and breastfeeding mothers, as well as more than 135,000 children under the age of 2, given their specific nutrition needs.

The organization added that "the IPC has emphasized that these conditions do not have to persist. Yesterday's warning of famine in the coming weeks and months can still be averted. But we must act now."

CNN's Eyad Kourdi and CNN’s Michael Rios contributed reporting to this post.



My grandmother lost her first child from starvation in a Japanese prison camp, it's especially hard to see this happening in real time to a million people. My grandmother never recovered from the loss, never talked about it but it caused life long rifts in the family.

Fuck Biden and US congress. The only ones that have a chance to reign in their ally's maniacal genocidal government of Israel is only working to wash Israel's hands and block the rest of the world from helping. And for what? The Israeli vote?

Poll suggests Israelis prefer Biden to Trump as next US president: Report

According to a new survey, 40 percent of the people in Israel want US President Joe Biden to be re-elected in 2024, compared with about 26 percent who prefer rival Donald Trump, the Times of Israel reported.

The poll showed a big swing among Israelis compared with 2020. Back then, more than 60 percent of them preferred Trump as US president and 17 percent backed Biden.


At home

Looking at the approval ratings of the past seven presidents at the same point in their first term in office, Biden’s current 39% is the lowest. Barack Obama (43%) and Donald Trump (45%) had slightly higher ratings heading into the year they sought reelection, while all of the others were above 50%.



UNSC resolution ‘greenlighting genocide’: Former UNRWA official

Chris Gunness says what’s unfolding in Gaza is “an American-Israeli genocide – it’s not just an Israeli genocide”.

“Just as America provides Israel with $4bn of military support per annum, it’s also – as we’ve seen tonight – providing Israel with diplomatic and political cover to continue with a genocide which is marked by the wholesale and industrial ignoring of international humanitarian law,” Gunness told Al Jazeera.

He added that Israeli statements following the passage of the Security Council resolution make it clear the country plans to retain control of what goes into Gaza. “It’s clear that [Israel] … as it’s done in the past, [intends] to have a veto over what goes into Gaza,” Gunness said.




But don't worry, we'll send a fleet to the Red Sea to keep the luxury goods coming in on time...
https://nationalpost.com/news/why-canada-helping-protect-ships-in-red-sea

Fuck this world. Merry Christmas :(

Insane how much they are focused on keeping this genocide going everyone with half a brain knows Netanyahu is basically a terrorist along with government 



SvennoJ on 23 December 2023

The downward spiral continues, no words left





















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rapsuperstar31 on 23 December 2023

The chances of Trump winning is going up every day with the Israel/Gaza war.



SvennoJ on 23 December 2023

Propaganda and censorship is what makes these atrocities possible. Just as Putin keeps the Russian media in check, so does the IDF

https://theintercept.com/2023/12/23/israel-military-idf-media-censor/

Weapons used by the Israel Defense Forces, security cabinet leaks, and stories about people held hostage by Hamas — these are some of the eight subjects the media are forbidden from reporting in Israel, according to a document obtained by The Intercept.

The document, a censorship order issued by the Israeli military to the media as part of its war on Hamas, has not been previously reported. The memo, written in English, was an unusual move for the IDF’s censor, which has been part of the Israel military for more than seven decades.

It's similar in the US although not as brazen, self censorship does a lot already.


The truth will eventually come through and next to generations of Palestinians having to live with 'holocaust syndrome', Israelis will have to live with the shame and guilt Germans went through (and still go through). Kollektivschuld (German Collective Guilt) on top of holocaust syndrome Israel still deals with. The holocaust abused by Netanyahu and cronies to drum up support for his 'existential' war of ethnic cleansing.

When will humans learn to stop and think before causing irrevocable long lasting damage and stop justifying atrocities with dogmatic thinking.



zeldaring on 23 December 2023
SvennoJ said:

Propaganda and censorship is what makes these atrocities possible. Just as Putin keeps the Russian media in check, so does the IDF

https://theintercept.com/2023/12/23/israel-military-idf-media-censor/

Weapons used by the Israel Defense Forces, security cabinet leaks, and stories about people held hostage by Hamas — these are some of the eight subjects the media are forbidden from reporting in Israel, according to a document obtained by The Intercept.

The document, a censorship order issued by the Israeli military to the media as part of its war on Hamas, has not been previously reported. The memo, written in English, was an unusual move for the IDF’s censor, which has been part of the Israel military for more than seven decades.

It's similar in the US although not as brazen, self censorship does a lot already.


The truth will eventually come through and next to generations of Palestinians having to live with 'holocaust syndrome', Israelis will have to live with the shame and guilt Germans went through (and still go through). Kollektivschuld (German Collective Guilt) on top of holocaust syndrome Israel still deals with. The holocaust abused by Netanyahu and cronies to drum up support for his 'existential' war of ethnic cleansing.

When will humans learn to stop and think before causing irrevocable long lasting damage and stop justifying atrocities with dogmatic thinking.

putin is actually a saint compared to whta israel and America is doing, but the Arab world are also trash thye could be doing more to stop a clear genocide.



Ryuu96 on 23 December 2023
zeldaring said:
SvennoJ said:

Propaganda and censorship is what makes these atrocities possible. Just as Putin keeps the Russian media in check, so does the IDF

https://theintercept.com/2023/12/23/israel-military-idf-media-censor/

Weapons used by the Israel Defense Forces, security cabinet leaks, and stories about people held hostage by Hamas — these are some of the eight subjects the media are forbidden from reporting in Israel, according to a document obtained by The Intercept.

The document, a censorship order issued by the Israeli military to the media as part of its war on Hamas, has not been previously reported. The memo, written in English, was an unusual move for the IDF’s censor, which has been part of the Israel military for more than seven decades.

It's similar in the US although not as brazen, self censorship does a lot already.


The truth will eventually come through and next to generations of Palestinians having to live with 'holocaust syndrome', Israelis will have to live with the shame and guilt Germans went through (and still go through). Kollektivschuld (German Collective Guilt) on top of holocaust syndrome Israel still deals with. The holocaust abused by Netanyahu and cronies to drum up support for his 'existential' war of ethnic cleansing.

When will humans learn to stop and think before causing irrevocable long lasting damage and stop justifying atrocities with dogmatic thinking.

putin is actually a saint compared to whta israel and America is doing, but the Arab world are also trash thye could be doing more to stop a clear genocide.

You can criticise Israel and America without making these exaggerations u'know? It's like saying Hitler was a saint compared to Stalin.

Putin and Netanyahu are both genocidal monsters, to say one looks like a saint compared to the other is just tone deaf and insensitive to the thousands of Ukrainians slaughtered, the innocent women raped and killed by his soldiers, the children killed, the lives destroyed thanks to Putin's commands. The only difference is Ukraine can actually fight back so Russia's genocide of Ukraine is a slower process than Israel bombing the shit out of a defenceless strip of land.

They both have the same goals though, Russia wants the genocide of Ukraine and Netanyahu wants the genocide of Palestinians.

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Libara on 23 December 2023
zeldaring said:
SvennoJ said:

Propaganda and censorship is what makes these atrocities possible. Just as Putin keeps the Russian media in check, so does the IDF

https://theintercept.com/2023/12/23/israel-military-idf-media-censor/

Weapons used by the Israel Defense Forces, security cabinet leaks, and stories about people held hostage by Hamas — these are some of the eight subjects the media are forbidden from reporting in Israel, according to a document obtained by The Intercept.

The document, a censorship order issued by the Israeli military to the media as part of its war on Hamas, has not been previously reported. The memo, written in English, was an unusual move for the IDF’s censor, which has been part of the Israel military for more than seven decades.

It's similar in the US although not as brazen, self censorship does a lot already.


The truth will eventually come through and next to generations of Palestinians having to live with 'holocaust syndrome', Israelis will have to live with the shame and guilt Germans went through (and still go through). Kollektivschuld (German Collective Guilt) on top of holocaust syndrome Israel still deals with. The holocaust abused by Netanyahu and cronies to drum up support for his 'existential' war of ethnic cleansing.

When will humans learn to stop and think before causing irrevocable long lasting damage and stop justifying atrocities with dogmatic thinking.

putin is actually a saint compared to whta israel and America is doing, but the Arab world are also trash thye could be doing more to stop a clear genocide.

Calling a genocidal monster like putin a saint is utterly moronic and says everything about you.