Pyro as Bill said:
Ryuu96 said:
You aren't making sense, you're saying it's both free but at the same time you have to sell everything you own, so it's not free, Lol. The USA does have good medical treatment though, I never said the actual medical treatment itself was bad, but I will also say that "if you can afford it" is a pretty massive caveat in many peoples cases and is dismissive that millions simply cannot afford it.
Healthy nations are better for the country overall, a stronger workforce, a happier nation, etc. Now imagine all those people living pay check to pay check or on welfare, barely being able to afford electricity or food bills, they don't even have to be in a medical emergency life or death situation to now be in debt by the tune of thousands, now they're struggling even more, what does that lead to? Even worse living conditions, even more medical problems, both physically and mentally and mental health is equally as important as physical health.
I'm not even someone who is against having a private option either, Lol. But you have extreme rose tinted views on America and I had to call out your hyperbolic nonsense with actual first hand experience myself as a British citizen, I feel like the argument keeps changing slightly though, first it was a ridiculous hyperbole comment about healthcare applied to Europe as a whole, when that was called out, the argument changed to welfare specifically in Romania.
Breaking News: Eastern Europe is less wealthy than Western Europe.
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It's free if you don't have the assets to pay towards treatment. What's so difficult to understand?
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Because at first you said it's free but you'd have to sell everything you own and all your children's inheritance, Lmao. So now I'm understanding your argument is that if you literally own nothing then treatment is free? Again, I'm not sure that's as good of an argument as you think it is, Lol. Anyway, now three Americans are saying that you're wrong or at least not giving the full facts so I'll defer to them.
Pyro as Bill said:
Ryuu96 said:
Sometimes I'm curious how much debt me and my family would have been in living in America from my medical bills, then I think who cares, I don't have to think about that, my last trip to the hospital was like a stay at a hotel, 3 meals a day, my own room, amazing staff, my own shower, I was almost disappointed they discharged me so quickly! Lmao. Jk.
They do both have major issues though, but that's the perks of Tories mismanaging everything for over 10 years.
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That's great but in the real world bills have to be paid and there's no free lunch. Just cos your government goes into massive debt to pay for the insurance doesn't mean you're kids won't pay it back tenfold in debt interest and the lack of productivity.
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Don't worry, I pay my bills, I'm happy to pay my way so that others in the country can also receive free medical treatment because crazily enough, I think that a country should take care of its citizens and a healthy and happy country is best for the country. As for the debt situation, I'll provide you with this chart to illustrate the debt differences across the world.
Global Debt Database - Central Government Debt
Donald Trump Built a National Debt So Big (Even Before the Pandemic) That It’ll Weigh Down the Economy for Years
Good thing debt in America isn't an issue.
Trump Wants To Extend US Debt Ceiling, Says He Doesn't Want To See A Default
Pyro as Bill said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:
LNG: Canada.
Military Hardware: We'll produce them ourselves now. Those 800 Billion € will get spent for the most part on European products, and Military Hardware production is increasing fast throughout Europe.
Net loser: The US, especially considering that until the 2010's more than half of the military hardware bought in Europe was American-made. But going forward this number will go down drastically entirely due to Trump. I'm sure the Military-industrial Complex in the US is very thankful already to Trump already for losing hundreds of billions in potential contracts by default already now.
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Canada doesn't have the capacity yet and Europe will freeze over Winter before they do.....without US LNG.
Yeah we'll make our own except if we did that already we wouldn't be buying US. Kind of ironic that the only other bloc that could seriously compete with the US is Europe but it would mean "securing" energy from the ME and Russia and no-one has the balls. They spent 3 years debating whether it's ok to send long range missiles meanwhile Trump lowkey kills the Russian economy.
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Dude accidentally hurt the Russian economy and if you were following things, the Russian economy was starting to collapse already thanks to Biden's sanctions but it took longer than expected, sanctions aren't an overnight thing and Russia and turned into a war economy country. Regardless, Trump hasn't put tariffs on Russia despite trading billions with Russia still.
Anyway I heavily attacked Biden for his cowardice in sending long-range missiles, that doesn't mean Trump is any better, Lol.
Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 06 April 2025