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BFR 14 hours ago
sundin13 said:

Yeah, in order for any sufficiently large system to micro manage it's spending, you would have to have a large and expensive system sitting counter it for auditing purposes, which would also reduce efficiency and turnaround for spending that is ultimately improved. It's kind of an impossible problem. Improvements can obviously be made, but it's not as simple as "expensive table bad", and even if it was, that isn't where the heart of our spending woes lie

Yes, but let that fact be the responsibility of the new incoming DOGE gov't agency.  They can audit gov't for wasteful spending and whatever savings can be realized can only be a good thing. Goodbye Dept. of Education    :)

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the-pi-guy 13 hours ago
BFR said:
the-pi-guy said:

I already did say the money was wasteful. I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying we can talk about the other layers to this. 

But I'll go even further and say, being able to "waste" money is kind of an important good part of government. Being able to invest in helpful technologies that private industry wouldn't because they're not profitable is important. We wouldn't have space exploration without it. SpaceX wouldn't exist without NASA existing. 

The vast majority of space firsts were done by government programs.

Being able to invest in green technologies, is an important government responsibility right now. 

Pi, nobody loves the US space program more than me.

It is true that SpaceX wouldn't exist like it does today, if NASA didn't award it a contract under the Commercial Resupply Services (CRS) program to send supplies to the ISS.

I am a huge supporter of ARPA-E, the DOE's version of DARPA, which invests in risky, but potentially rewarding green technologies.

In fact, during Obama's first term, I even wrote a letter to the White House proposing the creation of such an agency, only I named my concept as "EARPA".

That's why I specifically talked about space. It's wasteful government spending that you like  

BFR said:

Yes, but let that fact be the responsibility of the new incoming DOGE gov't agency.  They can audit gov't for wasteful spending and whatever savings can be realized can only be a good thing. Goodbye Dept. of Education    :)

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Congress has a similar agency as DOGE already- Government Accountability Office. 



BFR 13 hours ago

I can dig it. :)

Yeah, but GAO has been around forever. Fat, lazy, fucks. Whereas DOGE is new and aggressive. Led by President Musk and his VP Vivek R.