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Ryuu96 said:

We've had 3 polls, 1 showing no change, 2 others showing a change so small it's irrelevant.

So far, I overreacted massively on the impact the shooting would have, lets see how other polls go.

Just feels like Americans already don't give a shit, Lol. This election really feels like we're just not going to know until right at the end, Democrats despise Trump and Republicans despise Biden and Independents hate them both but who do they hate more, those dudes aren't making their stance known until much closer to the election.

Nothing seems to be drastically changing these polls.

Still think Harris may have a higher ceiling than Biden/Gather more voter enthusiasm.

I also think Americans are just that desensitised to shootings now, it's just another American shooting.

Its not that Americans are desensitized to shootings, it's that the camps that promote guns are not going to change their stance and the camp that does just see this as another example of the same issue discussed for decades.  The real deal is that the shooting doesn't change how you going to view these 2 candidates.  For the people that already will not vote for Trump, they feel it was all a stunt by Trump team.  For people who believe in Trump believe it was some attempt by liberals against what Trump stands for.  In the end it still comes down to what each president stands for which hasn't changed.



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Tober said:
Ryuu96 said:

RFK Jr is NOT a Democrat, Lol.

Trump's desperation to get him onboard suggests he's taking voters more from Trump.

He is running as an independent now I get it. But he previously went for the Democratic ticket.

I'm used to a multi party system in my country where cabinets always get members of different parties. I see that as a positive. If Trump takes aboard a Democrat or Biden would take aboard a Republican, I see that as a good thing.

I'm not going to say it's a good thing based solely on the label someone has above their name, or used to have above their name, RFK Jr is no longer a Democrat, just like Donald Trump is no longer a Democrat. What of their actual positions and policies? These things matter more than "RFK Jr used to be a Dem so this is good"

RFK Jr's only in the campaign to hurt Biden, his own campaign staff have confirmed that, his campaign has received a lot of support from Republican donors and Trump allies because they think he will hurt Biden more than Trump, that may be proving to be untrue now, a lot of Kennedy's openly shun him and instead endorse Biden, he is an anti-vaxxer, "vaccines cause autism" nutjob with sexual assault allegations against him.

Here Are All The Conspiracies RFK Jr. Promotes

A Running Tally of RFK Jr.'s Scandals | The Week UK

The man is cuckoo so who is it a good thing for? Nobody should want him anywhere near office, Lol.



A multiparty system with a multiparty cabinet essentially forces collaboration and compromise on issues even if political ideologies might differ. This is a good thing for representation. From the outside looking in, I think America could use some of that.



Tober said:
Ryuu96 said:

RFK Jr is NOT a Democrat, Lol.

Trump's desperation to get him onboard suggests he's taking voters more from Trump.

He is running as an independent now I get it. But he previously went for the Democratic ticket.

I'm used to a multi party system in my country where cabinets always get members of different parties. I see that as a positive. If Trump takes aboard a Democrat or Biden would take aboard a Republican, I see that as a good thing.

We don't have a multiparty system. We have a winner takes all, first past the posts two-party system. It's only a two party system at the federal level. Almost all of the states except for the very small handful of "swing states" are one-party states.

We also have the problem of our political system lumping people together according to arbitrarily drawn blocs of geography. The politicians get to pick their voters rather than the other way around. 

With the exception of only three or four states where they do runoff elections, a state that has 10 congressional seats has an election where Republicans got 33% + 1 person of the vote, Democrats 33% of the vote, and Libertarians 33% of the vote in each district. That state will have 10 Republicans, 0 Democrats, and 0 Libertarians representing them in Congress.  I currently live in a state where the Republicans have absolute control of EVERYTHING from local to state offices to the Congressional delegation. Democrats have only token representation. The GOP rules with the same absolute authority that Fidesz has in Hungary. And I think Fidesz has more opposition. The OKGOP doesn't have to compromise. There's nothing the Democrats can do to oppose them. The only thing putting any sort of brakes on Republican policies in Oklahoma are the courts (also largely rigged in their favor) and the Native tribal governments in the eastern part of Oklahoma, which are not subject to state authority as they have sovereign status with the federal government due to treaties that were in place before Oklahoma became a state, a fact which the governor has been fighting during his entire term in office.

The chances of this changing without massive bloodshed are zero. It's baked into the Constitution, and the Republicans in particular would never go for it. 

Last edited by SanAndreasX - on 16 July 2024

Lizz Truss Have fun with her Republicans.

And Russell Brand, the rapist, far right grifter who washed away his sins in the sewage water of the Thames.



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Ryuu96 said:

Lizz Truss Have fun with her Republicans.

And Russell Brand, the rapist, far right grifter who washed away his sins in the sewage water of the Thames.

Liz Truss, the biggest loser ever to occupy 10 Downing Street, calling Biden "weak." And Nigel Farage is going to be there, too.



SanAndreasX said:
Ryuu96 said:

Lizz Truss Have fun with her Republicans.

And Russell Brand, the rapist, far right grifter who washed away his sins in the sewage water of the Thames.

Liz Truss, the biggest loser ever to occupy 10 Downing Street, calling Biden "weak." And Nigel Farage is going to be there, too.

It's hilarious in the saddest way possible, the vast majority of the UK would consider Truss to be one of the biggest political jokes ever, fuck it ain't even anger, it's more like "Christ this woman is a complete idiot" and there she is at the RNC talking shit about Biden, Lmao.

The most memorable part about Liz Truss time in office was this...

That UK journalist sure can see how utterly insane Republicans are becoming more than a lot of American media.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 16 July 2024

Ryuu96 said:
SanAndreasX said:

Liz Truss, the biggest loser ever to occupy 10 Downing Street, calling Biden "weak." And Nigel Farage is going to be there, too.

It's hilarious in the saddest way possible, the vast majority of the UK would consider Truss to be one of the biggest political jokes ever, fuck it ain't even anger, it's more like "Christ this woman is a complete idiot" and there she is at the RNC talking shit about Biden, Lmao.

The most memorable part about Liz Truss time in office was this...

That UK journalist sure can see how utterly insane Republicans are becoming more than a lot of American media.

American media sees it, it's just largely muzzled by corporate interests and political pressure. People have been trying to sound the alarm for decades, at least since the Oklahoma City bombing, but it always gets pushed under the rug.



Tober said:

A multiparty system with a multiparty cabinet essentially forces collaboration and compromise on issues even if political ideologies might differ. This is a good thing for representation. From the outside looking in, I think America could use some of that.

Impossible with FPTP plus district voting.

It's a miracle a country like the UK even has the LibDems because the most stable state of such a system is two parties. It may take many decades (see India for such an ongoing process) but it almost always happens in the end.



 

 

 

 

 

haxxiy said:
Tober said:

A multiparty system with a multiparty cabinet essentially forces collaboration and compromise on issues even if political ideologies might differ. This is a good thing for representation. From the outside looking in, I think America could use some of that.

Impossible with FPTP plus district voting.

It's a miracle a country like the UK even has the LibDems because the most stable state of such a system is two parties. It may take many decades (see India for such an ongoing process) but it almost always happens in the end.

I think you mean skill!

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 16 July 2024