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shikamaru317 2 days ago
Chazore said:
Ryuu96 said:

Please don't let this be about Avowed's CCU either...

The Outer Worlds all time peak CCU was 20,349 and Avowed is mid-week (after 5 days of early access) at 17k. The Outer Worlds went on to sell over 5m units. We went through this same song and dance with Indiana Jones as well (which Avowed is doing better than) and Indiana Jones went on to do 4m players in just under 2 months, had "solid" sales in December (Mat Piscatella) and Disney is reportedly happy with it and wants more.

Avowed meanwhile is around the same as The Outer Worlds which was a success, and once again, we do not know Xbox, Windows Store numbers, but now also, we don't even know Battle.net numbers. Avowed is performing based on Steam better than Indiana Jones which is an IP of over 30 years of history meanwhile, likely the majority of people playing Avowed have never even heard of Pillars of Eternity and think Avowed is a new IP, Lol.

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As a last note, shikamaru317 stated that Avowed is the #1 top seller, but that was the other day, today the top seller is MH Wilds:

Just to be clear I am not against Avowed, it is not the game for me at all, but I just wanted to bring up the whole Steam CCU data focus this community on this site is recently peering into.

You are correct, I was looking at the regional top sellers that shows up on the home page rather the Global Top Sellers it seems. So it is #1 US right now I guess, but #2 worldwide. 



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Ryuu96 2 days ago
Shaunodon said:
Ryuu96 said:

No, I do not believe those are all rage-baiting bigots, but I do believe you're picking and choosing what to see so you can express fake outrage. You've posted a bunch of YouTubers who disliked the game, I've posted just as many, if not more, people who loved the game in this very thread, but those are ignored by yourself and only the YouTubers that have popped up in your recommendations count.

I can find positive aspects to talk about easy, as can many others, but we aren't going round like "Avowed is the best thing ever! Better than everything else! Our opinions are the only things that matter!" like you are trying to do with a select few YouTubers. You came in dooming the shit out of the game, comparing it to every other game, telling them how much they've failed and quite frankly, your criticism wasn't even well presented.

Yes, I do believe Avowed has got solid reviews (that's...a fact), and a solid reception from users, I do not know the full extent of its performance yet, but the charts are showing positive signs, Imo. I don't really see how when it was revealed has any relevance, videogames are revealed years in advance all the time now, can hardly avoid it.

And you can't just slap "It was meant to be a system seller so it's a failure" to every title, how many systems was it meant to sell? What score does something need to hit to be a system seller? How much mass market appeal does something need to have to be a system seller? Even some videogames which sell tens of millions I wouldn't exactly call system sellers, even some video games which critic in the 90s I wouldn't call system sellers. It's a useless description to dismiss every game as a failure because it didn't push an arbitrary amount of consoles.

The only sources I saw you reference were ResetEra which I ignore on reflex and steam reviews for a game that's been out proper for not even two whole days.

Of course I only bothered to use some reviews I found on YouTube for now because they're the only ones who actually played through the game. Outside of that the only reference is my own honest experience.

It's not like I came here to make a professional critique. I figured I was just pointing out the obvious situation that's unfolding right now. But most people here don't agree with it. So when it turns out to be a failure in 'hindsight' and Fable doesn't learn from it's mistakes, I wonder who we can blame at that point, since we can't even agree with what's truly a failure right now.

The only sources I saw you reference are sources I'm going to ignore for silly reasons* FTFY.

Say what you want, but ResetEra isn't some Xbox fanboy site, Lol.

And why do Steam reviews not count but YouTubers do? There were at least 9,000 users in the early access alone, they've had over a week already, why does it matter if someone has had it for only a couple of days? Does your opinion not count because you've only been playing it for 2 days? What is this logic. Why am I listening to your opinion then if you just discredited it in your own post.

"Obvious situation that's unfolding" Except it isn't...

How the fuck...Is Fable going to learn from these imaginary Avowed mistakes anyway? Fable is out in less than a year! Lmao.



konnichiwa 2 days ago
Shaunodon said:
smroadkill15 said:

What's so hard about leaving your thoughts on a game without it becoming a commentary about why your opinion is the correct one. It's maddening.

The game is not going to do well despite what kind of player count numbers they use to try and hide it. That has nothing to do with my opinion, the writing is on the wall. You can choose to not see it or stubbornly disagree with me, that's your perogative. But that has nothing to do with my opinion on the game.

The fact that Veilguard and Avowed have dragged down the quality of once beloved RPG franchises, that Fable could easily be following in their footsteps is what concerns me on a personal level.

What would you describe as 'well' tho? 

Veilguard was hated by many because they wanted to make a certain kind of game and used a popular franchise to do so..... Dragon Age as a franchise can be death now similar what happened with Saints Row.     Avowed can't really agree with you on it but thats your opinion..

Fable's quality was death.. Fable III was so hated....and since then all Fable related stuff was horrible or ended up cancelled...   The thing is...I love Playgrounds so I want to believe in them....But yeah I am also worried.






Shaunodon 2 days ago
Ryuu96 said:
Shaunodon said:

Most people say they enjoy the game. I generally enjoy the game. But it's also completely lifeless, uninteresting and ultimately forgettable. And that's what most people ultimately come to. They only recommend it through gamepass, because gamepass is a budget service made for games that you might feel are worth trying but don't actually want to buy.

How many outright say you should buy the game full price as soon as possible? How many are even remotely that convincted in their recommendation? They're all very ho-hum, trying their best to not be negative. But the general apathy is hard not to see; though people here have obviously trained themselves well to not see what they don't want to.

It's not like I wanted this game to be disappointing either. I just won't lie to myself about it.

Disagree, I enjoy the game, I also think it is interesting and the world will likely stick with me, it makes me almost want to play Pillars of Eternity 1/2 because I'm loving the lore but I dislike those types of videogames, instead I'll likely go on a lore deep-dive on Wiki, Lol. You're plucking your assumptions out of thin air because you're sucked up in negativity.

Anyway, I saw plenty of people on ResetEra telling people to dip into the early access because they were loving it instead of simply waiting for it to become "free" on Game Pass. Thousands of people dipped into the early access on Steam for $90 which was a complete rip-off low-key and I would not have paid $90 at all for 5 days early and a few free skins and yet during early access period, Avowed had over 80% in user rating on Steam, implying people were happy with their decision to be ripped off, Lmao.

I would absolutely recommend Avowed but why the hell would I recommend anyone who has access to Game Pass to buy the game? Makes no sense. If someone has Steam only then sure, I'd recommend to buy it, as would many others, Lol. Part of the reasons I even dipped into early access was because of the very positive impressions on ResetEra tipping me over.

This feels like a dig at the thread as a whole, that we are just fanboys seeing whatever we want, and only your opinion is true, I've provided just as much, if not more, counter to your argument in this thread. I ain't lying to myself about anything, the fact that you believe that and it upsets you so much, makes me believe you just want to wallow in negativity.

I'm not that upset about Avowed, since I've already stated my expecations had already dropped low to begin with. I'm concerned about the future of other RPG franchises and the self-awareness of Xbox Game Studios to actually see what's going wrong.

If Xbox fans aren't even willing to acknowledge when they've gone wrong, how will they ever acknowledge it?



Chazore 2 days ago
shikamaru317 said:

You are correct, I was looking at the regional top sellers that shows up on the home page rather the Global Top Sellers it seems. So it is #1 US right now I guess, but #2 worldwide. 

This also becomes an issue I was trying to get at earlier, in that you had to specify to me just where it was top selling.

Not trying to argue, just trying to point out how this can get murky and to other people it can spark debate (like which country's sales matter more or US>WW, stuff like that). 



Mankind, in its arrogance and self-delusion, must believe they are the mirrors to God in both their image and their power. If something shatters that mirror, then it must be totally destroyed.

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konnichiwa 2 days ago
Shaunodon said:
konnichiwa said:

You are right, It is a fact that I agree with you on, a lot of people are saying try Avowed on gamepass while those same reviewers are not saying try Kingdom come Deliverance II on gamepass but it is kind of similar....going trough the commetns on Steam/Youtube/tiktok/Pinksky or whatever plenty will say Kingdom Deliverance II is not for everyone and try it for you buy it.  'Combat can be a pain'  'game is very slow' 'can feel very Intimidating' comments are not rare..

Gameranx from the before you buy literally used the phrase 'Yes it is not for everyone'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ft9oXXO3lA&t=1s

No game should be for everyone. What's important is that Kingdom Come is at least aimed at the audience that pays for it's development.

Who would you even recommend it to?

Obsidian fans/RPG fans/PoE lore fans.






Ryuu96 2 days ago
Shaunodon said:
Ryuu96 said:

Also, I didn't call the Youtubers you're listening to, bigots...I just said rage-baiters...You added the bigots. I said some Steam reviewers are bigots though, Lmao. I wasn't the first to point that out though, I think Criss mentioned how some of the reviews on Steam were just crying about pronouns, less than 1 hour, review and refund type bullshit which makes the 80% even more impressive.

I assumed you thought everyone who was negative about this game was a bigot in some way. That's my fault for misunderstanding and conflating. You still shouldn't use the word 'bigot' so freely. Not because it's offensive but because it's a lazy criticism to make of people you just don't agree with. Most of those people are probably flat out trolls or bots to begin with. Saying they're bigots when they haven't actually offered any genuine feedback just reflects poorly on you, because you're actually taking them seriously.

It wasn't that I was taking them seriously, it was that I was pointing out the 80% is even more impressive considering some are solely rating it poorly because of pronouns, I don't give a fuck about their opinion at all, don't need to worry about me taking these people seriously, trust me, I don't, not one bit, Lol.



konnichiwa 2 days ago
Shaunodon said:

If Xbox fans aren't even willing to acknowledge when they've gone wrong, how will they ever acknowledge it?

Dont' you think it sounds a bit silly =p?

Every game has hate or haters, especially when new iterations of a franchise release you will see hate but what you are saying is....
' Hey You!!'  'how dare you enjoy it, don't you see you are wrong???'  This is literally happening right now,  Some Yakuza fans are dislinking how Yakuza is going in this weird direction with pirates, others hated the RPG Yakuza games.....






Ryuu96 2 days ago
konnichiwa said:
Shaunodon said:

Most people say they enjoy the game. I generally enjoy the game. But it's also completely lifeless, uninteresting and ultimately forgettable. And that's what most people ultimately come to. They only recommend it through gamepass, because gamepass is a budget service made for games that you might feel are worth trying but don't actually want to buy.

How many outright say you should buy the game full price as soon as possible? How many are even remotely that convincted in their recommendation? They're all very ho-hum, trying their best to not be negative. But the general apathy is hard not to see; though people here have obviously trained themselves well to not see what they don't want to.

It's not like I wanted this game to be disappointing either. I just won't lie to myself about it.

You are right, It is a fact that I agree with you on, a lot of people are saying try Avowed on gamepass while those same reviewers are not saying try Kingdom come Deliverance II on gamepass but it is kind of similar....going trough the commetns on Steam/Youtube/tiktok/Pinksky or whatever plenty will say Kingdom Deliverance II is not for everyone and try it for you buy it.  'Combat can be a pain'  'game is very slow' 'can feel very Intimidating' comments are not rare..

Gameranx from the before you buy literally used the phrase 'Yes it is not for everyone'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ft9oXXO3lA&t=1s

...A lot of people would say to try *insert any game* on Game Pass if it's on Game Pass...If Kingdom Come II was on Game Pass, a lot of people would say "try it on Game Pass" Why the hell would I recommend people pay full price for a videogame if they can access it on Game Pass? I'd only recommend people buy a Game Pass title if they are exclusively Steam or PS users.

In which case, I recommend PlayStation users buy Avowed.

Did Game Pass suddenly come into existence yesterday? Am I going crazy? Why are we acting like "Play it on Game Pass" is a new thing, that's exactly the whole point of Game Pass. That's what people have been saying for years, why are we comparing consumer recommendations for a game which is on Game Pass to a game which isn't on Game Pass?



Shaunodon 2 days ago
konnichiwa said:
Shaunodon said:

If Xbox fans aren't even willing to acknowledge when they've gone wrong, how will they ever acknowledge it?

Dont' you think it sounds a bit silly =p?

Every game has hate or haters, especially when new iterations of a franchise release you will see hate but what you are saying is....
' Hey You!!'  'how dare you enjoy it, don't you see you are wrong???'  This is literally happening right now,  Some Yakuza fans are dislinking how Yakuza is going in this weird direction with pirates, others hated the RPG Yakuza games.....

There's nothing wrong with enjoying it for what it is. But you can also admit when it's not good enough for how long people have waited, how high the expectations originally were or what people originally wanted it to be. Those things aren't mutually exclusive.

I'm not telling people to hate the game. Only why it's not going to do well and why we should be concerned about other similar franchises. Why shouldn't that be talked about?