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gtotheunit91 said:

MS is buying Netflix after the ActiBlizz deal closes?! I don’t see that happening lol

Yes it will happen.  Different business so different conditions.  MS has no streaming movie TV service like Netflix and the landscape is wide open.



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Ryuu96 said:
gtotheunit91 said:

MS is buying Netflix after the ActiBlizz deal closes?! I don’t see that happening lol

It's just a prediction, I still strongly doubt it, I don't think there's anything that points towards it and there's more than a few 'issues'

1. Microsoft has $107bn cash on hand, Netflix would likely cost around $180bn+ on the market when adding the premium, Microsoft would therefore either have to use stocks for the rest of the acquisition which isn't something they usually do, or rise a significant amount of extra cash, either way, a decent chance they blow through their entire cash in the bank.

2. Microsoft has never really expressed any desire in getting into this business and by that I mean the Hollywood/Film/TV business. They may want to expand since Xbox is their only consumer facing business but I feel like they are happy with that, I think they're happy with being a corporation first business, it's where they make all their money, I would be happy if that changed though, Lol.

3. Netflix's profit margins are way below Microsoft's which is probably an issue when you're acquiring a near $200bn company. Film/TV in general has slimmer profit margins than Games, for example, ABK Net Income in 2021 was $2.6bn in comparison to Netflix's $5.1bn but Netflix would cost more than $100bn extra to acquire.

4. It for those reasons is a bit of a risky investment, especially if other streaming services kick off, Netflix is great but also very lucky that they got in first. It might also be a factor to Microsoft who looking at Xbox loves owning their IPs, that a lot of Netflix's shows, they don't actually own the IPs for. You could say that Xbox has the IPs but few are proven in TV and already assigned elsewhere (Paramount, Amazon, etc).

With high inflation, cash in the bank is better spent on property that make cash.

Doesn't matter if MS has express any desire, its not like they expressed any desire to purchase ABK or Bethedsa until it happen.  Its more about opportunity and having the cash to do it more than anything else.

Not sure if the profit margin is the thing.  Its the userbase that is the key, getting to 150 million users with GP is the goal and Netflix combined with GP gives MS the shot to obtain exactly that.

Betting your business on GP was already risky, either go all in and worry about consequences later of back off and be middle tier or worst.  MS has a chance to be the # 1 streaming option and since they whole business is already geared towards that goal, Netflix makes sense if they are up for sale.



Machiavellian said:
gtotheunit91 said:

MS is buying Netflix after the ActiBlizz deal closes?! I don’t see that happening lol

Yes it will happen.  Different business so different conditions.  MS has no streaming movie TV service like Netflix and the landscape is wide open.

Netflix is a nascent competitor to Microsoft now thanks to their gaming segment, the nascent market being game subscription services and cloud streaming services, something which regulators are already questioning if Microsoft has too much of an advantage in, it would be easy to argue that Netflix has the potential and capability to become a direct competitor to Microsoft more than any gaming publisher they acquire thanks to their game subscription service/cloud streaming services not reliant on Xbox. The CMA/FTC/EC have in the past couple of years started to re-examine how they look at nascent markets with EC blocking a few nascent acquisitions recently.

To them, it could very much look like Microsoft, who already has an advantage in the subscription/cloud market, acquiring and extinguishing a nascent market competitor, for those reasons, it could very well have a higher chance of being blocked than even ABK (FTC will block it regardless) and regulators are going to hammer hard on a near $200bn acquisition in the current climate, in order for Microsoft to acquire Netflix, Netflix would likely have to kill their gaming division first.

Machiavellian said:
Ryuu96 said:

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With high inflation, cash in the bank is better spent on property that make cash.

Doesn't matter if MS has express any desire, its not like they expressed any desire to purchase ABK or Bethedsa until it happen.  Its more about opportunity and having the cash to do it more than anything else.

Not sure if the profit margin is the thing.  Its the userbase that is the key, getting to 150 million users with GP is the goal and Netflix combined with GP gives MS the shot to obtain exactly that.

Betting your business on GP was already risky, either go all in and worry about consequences later of back off and be middle tier or worst.  MS has a chance to be the # 1 streaming option and since they whole business is already geared towards that goal, Netflix makes sense if they are up for sale.

Spending your entire cash balance on one company is a risky move no matter what inflation is at, plus it's their entire cash balance in the bank and having to either rise an extra $60-$80bn or do the acquisition using stocks which is something that Microsoft rarely does and they'd be spending their entire cash on a low profitable company at that.

I don't think Gaming/Netflix is comparable, Microsoft for starters is already in Gaming and has been for dozens of years, they have absolutely nothing in Film/TV. Also for Gaming there was a pattern, first they acquired dozens of companies, then Phil was promoted to Satya's leadership team, then they banged on about being all in on Gaming and then they went for Zenimax and then they went for ABK...There's absolutely none of that in regards to Film/TV markets, there's no pattern, there's no history and there has been no interest expressed by anyone in Microsoft for that market.

As I said, Films/TV is lower profits than Gaming, it's a bigger risk, especially blowing your entire cash balance on it and even if they got Netflix it would be years before they combined Netflix/Game Pass together due to various factors (technical, infrastructure, servers, etc), in the short term they could do "buy Game Pass/Netflix and get Netflix/Game Pass for free" I.E. What they do now with Game Pass Perks.



Looks like have been missing something lol. Looking at the news is there anything of substance regarding the Netflix story other than Reuter's speculation?

IMO MS better stay out of this market and continue outsourcing show/movie creation based on their IPs. If anything needs to change here Microsoft should also add those to Game Pass day and date with other subs (kinda like they do for their game and steam) (maybe create a side channel of $1-$2 / month for existing GP users or $2-$3/month for standalone subs ).
I'd pay that much just for the Halo series and fallout shows and similar content every year.



Ryuu96 said:
Machiavellian said:

Yes it will happen.  Different business so different conditions.  MS has no streaming movie TV service like Netflix and the landscape is wide open.

Netflix is a nascent competitor to Microsoft now thanks to their gaming segment, the nascent market being game subscription services and cloud streaming services, something which regulators are already questioning if Microsoft has too much of an advantage in, it would be easy to argue that Netflix has the potential and capability to become a direct competitor to Microsoft more than any gaming publisher they acquire thanks to their game subscription service/cloud streaming services not reliant on Xbox. The CMA/FTC/EC have in the past couple of years started to re-examine how they look at nascent markets with EC blocking a few nascent acquisitions recently.

To them, it could very much look like Microsoft, who already has an advantage in the subscription/cloud market, acquiring and extinguishing a nascent market competitor, for those reasons, it could very well have a higher chance of being blocked than even ABK (FTC will block it regardless) and regulators are going to hammer hard on a near $200bn acquisition in the current climate, in order for Microsoft to acquire Netflix, Netflix would likely have to kill their gaming division first.

Machiavellian said:

With high inflation, cash in the bank is better spent on property that make cash.

Doesn't matter if MS has express any desire, its not like they expressed any desire to purchase ABK or Bethedsa until it happen.  Its more about opportunity and having the cash to do it more than anything else.

Not sure if the profit margin is the thing.  Its the userbase that is the key, getting to 150 million users with GP is the goal and Netflix combined with GP gives MS the shot to obtain exactly that.

Betting your business on GP was already risky, either go all in and worry about consequences later of back off and be middle tier or worst.  MS has a chance to be the # 1 streaming option and since they whole business is already geared towards that goal, Netflix makes sense if they are up for sale.

Spending your entire cash balance on one company is a risky move no matter what inflation is at, plus it's their entire cash balance in the bank and having to either rise an extra $60-$80bn or do the acquisition using stocks which is something that Microsoft rarely does and they'd be spending their entire cash on a low profitable company at that.

I don't think Gaming/Netflix is comparable, Microsoft for starters is already in Gaming and has been for dozens of years, they have absolutely nothing in Film/TV. Also for Gaming there was a pattern, first they acquired dozens of companies, then Phil was promoted to Satya's leadership team, then they banged on about being all in on Gaming and then they went for Zenimax and then they went for ABK...There's absolutely none of that in regards to Film/TV markets, there's no pattern, there's no history and there has been no interest expressed by anyone in Microsoft for that market.

As I said, Films/TV is lower profits than Gaming, it's a bigger risk, especially blowing your entire cash balance on it and even if they got Netflix it would be years before they combined Netflix/Game Pass together due to various factors (technical, infrastructure, servers, etc), in the short term they could do "buy Game Pass/Netflix and get Netflix/Game Pass for free" I.E. What they do now with Game Pass Perks.

I doubt that MS will spend all of their cash reserve for the purchase of Netflix.  They will do what most companies do and borrow a lot of it because they get better value for their money that way.  It probably will be a combination of a lot of financial products to secure the purchase either way, MS has more than enough resources to make it happen. 

Gaming and Netflix is definitely comparable because they are entertainment content.  You forget that Netflix has a gaming division because they see the same thing as MS.  Its all content and users goes where the biggest bang for their bucks.  Users are more interested in value, its the reason why we see so many streaming services.  At the end of the day, a game is just entertainment content.  The company that can provide that content at a price on an international scale will secure the lion share of users.  Being able to deliver that content no matter what a user uses increases the chance of getting subs.  MS went for Zenimax and ABK because they were up for sale.  If Netflix is up for sale, MS will definitely attempt the purchase because everything Netflix does is in line with where MS is going as a busines in entertainment.

Doesn't matter if Films and TV are lower profit, tell that to Apple.  Its about the users and keeping them into your eco system.  MS is building a streaming empire and entertainment is a big part of it.  They have already transitioned all their software to streaming.  They have huge server farms all over the world for streaming.  They created a ad based business to take advantage of streaming.  When you provided multiple users internationally with all their content, and then allow all that content on whatever device a user has, you have the potential to serve billion of users.  I believe you are thinking way to much like a gamer and what is good for you as a gamer.  What I see is what is good for MS as a whole and a business who is trying to be the leader in delivering content.  A purchase of Netflix makes a world of sense because if Netflix is up for sale, then if MS does not purchase them, Google or Apple will.  Its the same with ABK.  If MS did not try to purchase them then some other big player will.



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EpicRandy said:

Looks like have been missing something lol. Looking at the news is there anything of substance regarding the Netflix story other than Reuter's speculation?

IMO MS better stay out of this market and continue outsourcing show/movie creation based on their IPs. If anything needs to change here Microsoft should also add those to Game Pass day and date with other subs (kinda like they do for their game and steam) (maybe create a side channel of $1-$2 / month for existing GP users or $2-$3/month for standalone subs ).
I'd pay that much just for the Halo series and fallout shows and similar content every year.

Nah, it's just an opinion piece based on nothing, though it has happened twice this year (I can't remember if Reuters was both of them) but there's absolutely zero evidence that Microsoft is looking to purchase Netflix. It's more like a wish-list that came out of nowhere, it's like if someone said Microsoft was buying Disney, Lol.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 21 December 2022

Idas Said:

There is a new document from the CMA, a summary of responses from members of the public (3 pages).

- 2.100 emails reviewed, 3/4 in favor of the merger, the rest against
- There is a list of (14) views in favor and (11) against the deal
- The summary does not represent the views of the CMA

The CMA received approximately 2,600 emails, but some of these were excluded from our review because they contained abusive content (with no other substantive content), or were blank, unintelligible, stated to be from non-UK consumers, or not in English.



Went through my closet to get my 360 out, as the one game I want to play is not on BC (Persona 4 Arena Ultimax).

Anyone have any game recs that aren't on BC that I should play? Maybe a little DoA :)



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Ryuu96 said:

Idas Said:

There is a new document from the CMA, a summary of responses from members of the public (3 pages).

- 2.100 emails reviewed, 3/4 in favor of the merger, the rest against
- There is a list of (14) views in favor and (11) against the deal
- The summary does not represent the views of the CMA

The CMA received approximately 2,600 emails, but some of these were excluded from our review because they contained abusive content (with no other substantive content), or were blank, unintelligible, stated to be from non-UK consumers, or not in English.

Really surprised by this, online opinion tends to greatly favor negative or unfavorable view. Would be interesting to verify if past such exercise from the CMA resulted in that much positive view and what was the final result of those but way to time consuming to look into this.



I wonder how many of those emails were actually articulate, and well reasoned, vs simply not abusive lol