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Machiavellian said:

Why would Xbox hardware make or break MS if they are hardware agnostic. If that was the case MS would be losing hand and fist today but the company still makes a pretty good profit.  MS does not need Xbox hardware for streaming because just about everything can stream, from your TV, Phone, other consoles, tablets you name it.  Actually I see the same amount of developers skipping Xbox as they always have.  I also see a lot of developers still putting their games on GP.  Maybe we do not see the market the same.

Microsoft needs hardware (with xbox series x chips / azure) to stream. I can only stream games to my tv if somewhere in the world a server or whatever is actually running the game. A game still has to be made for a platform, whether this is Xbox architecture or PC is still relevant. If Xbox hardware sales keeps declining, this would eventually mean less Xbox titles and therefore limiting GamePass titles. Unless the future is streaming xcloud based gamepass PC titles, they will need Xbox-like hardware.

Edit: so far cloud streaming still seems to be very niche. Maybe in 5 - 10 years this will be more serious.

Edit 2: As Klobrille and Jez also point out, if Xbox kills their hardware, my digital xbox game library will be worthless. I can't just take my Xbox library to PC or cloud which is a great concern to me and other people invested into the ecosystem.

Last edited by PixelPirate - on 10 January 2024

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Tencent paying 1.6 Billion just to become the majority shareholder of Techland is the worse deal since Bungie and Gearbox, It would have likely cost MS over 2 billion to acquire it fully.



BasilZero said:
shikamaru317 said:

Well, I think I have settled on the specs for my PC upgrade now. Don't have a huge budget, but I think I can manage to pull off:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 4500

RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3600

SSD: 1 TB PCIe Gen 3

GPU: Intel Arc A580

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This build seems a bit too....underpowered for a gaming computer in 2024.

Also I wouldnt recommend going intel for GPU - if price is the issue, go with AMD otherwise Nvidia.

16 GB is bare minimum these days and as time goes, 32 GB is gonna become norm.

Also one drive storage isnt really viable nowadays especially if you plan to use your computer for more than PC gaming. Having a secondary drive (mainly a HDD) would be a good way to go.

The build you specified would have been good....back in 2020 or 2021.

But I'm assuming you want to keep your build for at least 5 years before the next upgrade?

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I'm planning to get a new rig either late 2024 or early 2025 depending on the deals (and I'm going for pre-build).

My current PC from 2019 has

-CPU: Ryzen 5 3600
-GPU: RX 580 (8 GB)
-RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3000 MHz
-SSD: 256 GB
-HDD: 2 TB

Got the computer for like $650 and I upgraded my RAM for an additional $80 from a 8 GB


I used to 10 year upgrades but my financial situation is better than it was a decade ago so I'm planning to do ones every 5 years.

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For my future build, I havent decided which exact parts to get but I have a outline in what I want to get

GPU: Nvidia preferred
RAM: 32 GB
SSD: 1 TB
HDD: 2 TB

My budget is a bit higher but I'm hoping to stay within the $900 to $1,200 range.

Also I plan to re-use my current gaming desktop as my new general PC for video rendering , etc

Gonna use my current general PC (which is also a gaming computer but with lower specs than my main gaming PC lol) for just to do general stuff like paying bills, etc.

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I'm still planning to buy the next Xbox providing b/c still applies. b/c is the main reason why I bought an Xbox.

Well, based on my favorite PC tech site, Tom's hardware, it has enough juice for 1080p, ultra settings 60 fps on average across their test suite. They test each GPU across a suite of 8 games that favor rasterization, and then a separate test suite of 5 games with ray tracing support. In their testing the a580 got an average of 65 FPS at 1080p ultra on the 8 rasterization games and an average of 49 fps at 1440p ultra (which is high enough for my freesync monitor). On the ray tracing test suite of 5 games it managed an average of 45 FPS at 1080p medium and 33 fps at 1080p ultra settings. As for the CPU in my build, it seems to have averaged about 110 fps at 1080p in testing across their game suite with an overpowered GPU, which means my CPU will never be the bottleneck before my GPU will.

To me that seems like enough power to last me until my next planned build in 2027 or so. They aren't making use of FSR or XeSS in their testing, which are brilliant technologies which should give me enough leeway to last until my next build. Even the more demanding recent AAA games seem to be to be playable at 1080p ultra at 60 fps with FSR being used on that Intel Arc a580 GPU, or I can go with console quality settings (usually a mix of medium and high) and manage 1440p 60 fps with FSR. And any game that doesn't run well on the PC I will still be able to play on my Series X.

I figure I can get one 16 GB of RAM stick now and then if I decide I need more later plop an identical 2nd stick in for another $30 later.

I already have a 1 TB hard drive from my old build which I will be transferring into my upgraded build. I will then use it to mirror my windows install and place it on the SSD for faster boot times. So I will have a 1 TB SSD to store newer games, and then a 1 TB HD to store files and photos and maybe some older indie games where load times aren't a big concern.

Last edited by shikamaru317 - on 10 January 2024

shikamaru317 said:

Well, based on my favorite PC tech site, Tom's hardware, it has enough juice for 1080p, ultra settings 60 fps on average across their test suite. They test each GPU across a suite of 8 games that favor rasterization, and then a separate test suite of 5 games with ray tracing support. In their testing the a580 got an average of 65 FPS at 1080p ultra on the 8 rasterization games and an average of 49 fps at 1440p ultra (which is high enough for my freesync monitor). On the ray tracing test suite of 5 games it managed an average of 45 FPS at 1080p medium and 33 fps at 1080p ultra settings. As for the CPU in my build, it seems to have averaged about 110 fps at 1080p in testing across their game suite with an overpowered GPU, which means my CPU will never be the bottleneck before my GPU will.

To me that seems like enough power to last me until my next planned build in 2027 or so. They aren't making use of FSR or XeSS in their testing, which are brilliant technologies which should give me enough leeway to last until my next build. Even the more demanding recent AAA games seem to be to be playable at 1080p ultra at 60 fps with FSR being used on that Intel Arc a580 GPU, or I can go with console quality settings (usually a mix of medium and high) and manage 1440p 60 fps with FSR. And any game that doesn't run well on the PC I will still be able to play on my Series X.

I figure I can get one 16 GB of RAM stick now and then if I decide I need more later plop an identical 2nd stick in for another $30 later.

I already have a 1 TB hard drive from my old build which I will be transferring into my upgraded build. I will then use it to mirror my windows install and place it on the SSD for faster boot times. So I will have a 1 TB SSD to store newer games, and then a 1 TB HD to store files and photos and maybe some older indie games where load times aren't a big concern.

Well good luck with whatever you do.

Just, a game that runs at 1080p, if it runs less than 60 FPS - just cant accept it with today's technology lol.

1440p or higher with less framerate sure but 1080p with less than 60 FPS seems a bit too underpowered.





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BasilZero said:
shikamaru317 said:

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Well good luck with whatever you do.

Just, a game that runs at 1080p, if it runs less than 60 FPS - just cant accept it with today's technology lol.

1440p or higher with less framerate sure but 1080p with less than 60 FPS seems a bit too underpowered.

I agree the a580 is a bit underpowered, though it is the price/performance king in that price bracket currently, the 3050 costs about $30 more while getting about 20% lower framerate across virtually every game, while the AMD 6600 costs about $40 more and only trades blows with the a580, with certain games favoring one card and other games favoring the other. AMD and Nvidia both have been slow to release lower end GPU's on their latest architectures, we are still waiting on both the long rumored GTX 4050 and the long rumored RX 7500 XT. As a result of their slow low end release schedules, my only real options for a stronger GPU than the a580 at present are as follows:

  • Intel a750- $40 more for an extra 5 fps at 1080p Ultra, 5 fps at 1440p
  • AMD 6600 XT- $70 more for an extra 13 fps at 1080p Ultra, 7 fps at 1440p
  • AMD 6650 XT- $80 more for an extra 15 fps at 1080p Ultra, 8 fps at 1440p
  • Nvidia 3060-$90 more for an extra 8 fps at 1080p Ultra, 6 fps at 1440p
  • AMD 7600- $100 more for an extra 17 fps at 1080p Ultra, 9 fps at 1440p
  • Nvidia 4060- $120 more for an extra 19 fps at 1080p Ultra, 13 fps at 1440p

The only one of the above that seems like it might be a better price/performance option for me would be the 6650 XT, but $80 extra is alot to spend to get an extra 15 fps at 1080p and an extra 8 fps at 1440p. That is a 47% increase in price for an extra 23% performance at 1080p and an extra 14% performance at 1440p.

Maybe I should wait a few months to see if the 4050 or 7500 XT finally release. I know Intel's 2nd generation Arc cards are rumored for a Q2 release this year as well, though those will probably be mid-high end cards at the start, not in my price range. As for the 4050, if the rumored specs are accurate it may be a disappointment, there is talk of it only having 6 GB of VRAM (less than the 3050 and a580) and only a 96 bit memory bus width (compared to 256 bit on the a580 and 128 bit on the 3050). As for the 7500 XT, it is rumored to also only have a 96 bit memory bud width and 6 GB of VRAM. I'm not sure either card has any chance of actually topping the a580 in performance.

Last edited by shikamaru317 - on 10 January 2024

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shikamaru317 said:

I agree the a580 is a bit underpowered, though it is the price/performance king in that price bracket currently, the 3050 costs about $30 more while getting about 20% lower framerate across virtually every game, while the AMD 6600 costs about $40 more and only trades blows with the a580, with certain games favoring one card and other games favoring the other. AMD and Nvidia both have been slow to release lower end GPU's on their latest architectures, we are still waiting on both the long rumored GTX 4050 and the long rumored RX 7500 XT. As a result of their slow low end release schedules, my only real options for a stronger GPU than the a580 at present are as follows:

  • Intel a750- $40 more for an extra 5 fps at 1080p Ultra, 5 fps at 1440p
  • AMD 6600 XT- $70 more for an extra 13 fps at 1080p Ultra, 7 fps at 1440p
  • AMD 6650 XT- $80 more for an extra 15 fps at 1080p Ultra, 8 fps at 1440p
  • Nvidia 3060-$90 more for an extra 8 fps at 1080p Ultra, 6 fps at 1440p
  • AMD 7600- $100 more for an extra 17 fps at 1080p Ultra, 9 fps at 1440p
  • Nvidia 4060- $130 more for an extra 19 fps at 1080p Ultra, 13 fps at 1440p

The only one of the above that seems like it might be a better price/performance option for me would be the 6650 XT, but $80 extra is alot to spend to get an extra 15 fps at 1080p and an extra 8 fps at 1440p. That is a 47% increase in price for an extra 23% performance at 1080p and an extra 14% performance at 1440p.

Maybe I should wait a few months to see if the 4050 or 7500 XT finally release. I know Intel's 2nd generation Arc cards are rumored for a Q2 release this year as well, though those will probably be mid-high end cards at the start, not in my price range.

Well, with whatever you do - wait for a holiday sales time.

Not sure where you live but you can typically find the best deals during winter pretty much everywhere.

You should also probably ask the guys in the PC gaming thread, they are all obsessed with hardware lol.



Takaya Kuroda should have been nominated for best performance in The Game Awards, stupid fucking cut-off date.



Dude had an amazing performance... shit broke me



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