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Call her back up, Microsoft, she has another clown to deal with

Laughing at imagining Unity being like "Alright, Microsoft, see all those Unity downloads on Game Pass? You're paying us for all of those, here are the number of downloads we estimate but we aren't going to tell you about how we came to these numbers"



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Yeah, I imagine Xbox won't be happy about that Unity thing. Assuming that Xbox will be charged for Unity games already on Gamepass, they could lose quite alot of money on the probably 100+ Unity using games they already have on Gamepass, losing extra money on deals that were supposed to be a one-time payment to the devs in most case. I suspect Xbox will be making alot less indie deals for Gamepass moving forward since most indies use Unity, we'll likely see them shift focus and aim for more 3rd party AA and AAA games moving forward.



Managed to get an outpost set up to farm more levels and got from 44 to 55 tonight I believe. The outpost farming method is much, much faster than farming creatures on a high level planet, you can gain probably 10 levels or more in an hour, compared to it taking me like 5 hours to go up 10 levels on a level 70 planet earlier today. Should have no problems getting to level 100 in a reasonable amount of time now, as long as Bethesda doesn't nerf the outpost farming method soon. 



shikamaru317 said:

Yeah, I imagine Xbox won't be happy about that Unity thing. Assuming that Xbox will be charged for Unity games already on Gamepass, they could lose quite alot of money on the probably 100+ Unity using games they already have on Gamepass, losing extra money on deals that were supposed to be a one-time payment to the devs in most case. I suspect Xbox will be making alot less indie deals for Gamepass moving forward since most indies use Unity, we'll likely see them shift focus and aim for more 3rd party AA and AAA games moving forward.

I see a number of scenarios, some not good for Unity, some bad for developers, some bad for consumers.

  1. Microsoft tells them to piss off and moves their lawyers against Unity, especially since they are using a "proprietary data model" to estimate the downloads and how bullshit it is to say Microsoft owes Unity for every single Unity developer, even for games and developers they don't even own.
  2. Microsoft accepts it but passes the costs onto consumers, Game Pass increases in price.
  3. Microsoft accepts it but starts either accepting less Unity titles on Game Pass or gives Unity developers worse deals.
  4. Microsoft straight removes all Unity titles from Game Pass.

This also applies to Sony, and Nintendo. Unity has potentially managed to piss off developers, publishers and platform holders all at the same time. This is going to be interesting to watch. Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo better not take it, they can easily tell Unity to piss off and what is Unity going to do about it? Lol. Unity can go kick rocks.

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Oh wait, so March Whitten is head of Unity now? Well I imagine Xbox should be able to work out some kind of reasonable deal with him, Marc Whitten was with Microsoft for 17 years from 1997-2014, making it all the way up the ranks to Corporate VP and Chief Product Officer of Xbox. Him and Phil Spencer should be pretty tight then.



shikamaru317 said:

Oh wait, so March Whitten is head of Unity now? Well I imagine Xbox should be able to work out some kind of reasonable deal with him, Marc Whitten was with Microsoft for 17 years from 1997-2014, making it all the way up the ranks to Corporate VP and Chief Product Officer of Xbox.

He's SVP and GM of Unity Create, Unity's CEO is John Riccitiello (a moron).



Ryuu96 said:
shikamaru317 said:

Oh wait, so March Whitten is head of Unity now? Well I imagine Xbox should be able to work out some kind of reasonable deal with him, Marc Whitten was with Microsoft for 17 years from 1997-2014, making it all the way up the ranks to Corporate VP and Chief Product Officer of Xbox.

He's SVP and GM of Unity Create, Unity's CEO is John Riccitiello (a moron).

Ugh, that f*cking guy, I remember when he was CEO of EA from 2007 to 2013, until the board of directors forced him to resign due to EA's poor financials at the time. He was the one responsible for running EA into the ground just about, it's taken Andrew Wilson a decade to turn EA into a halfway decent publisher in the wake of the damage that Riccitiello caused.



I really don't see how it's legal at all so I wouldn't be surprised if we see the legal route.

How can Unity tell Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo to pay for games, based on licenses Unity formulated with other companies, companies which MS/Sony/Nintendo do not own, in any shape or form, or have a similar contract with Unity nor the company involved, nor did they ever place into these services contracts in the first place any mention of paying Unity. Microsoft did not as the distributor sign shit to pay Unity anything for games they don't own.

This too, Lol. They playing with Nintendo of all companies.



Ryuu96 said:

I really don't see how it's legal at all so I wouldn't be surprised if we see the legal route.

How can Unity tell Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo to pay for games, based on licenses Unity formulated with other companies, companies which MS/Sony/Nintendo do not own, in any shape or form, or have a similar contract with Unity nor the company involved, nor did they ever place into these services contracts in the first place any mention of paying Unity. Microsoft did not as the distributor sign shit to pay Unity anything for games they don't own.

This too, Lol. They playing with Nintendo of all companies.

The only way it works legally is if it's only for deals made from 2024 onwards, no way can it be legal to try and force subscription service owners to retroactively pay them back for the unique installs of Unity games that are already on their sub services.