I recently was taking advantage of the Deals with Gold (couple of years), is that going away, or is that included with the new tier name change?

Yes, nothing changes aka console gamers still get shafted 

You need this or GPU to play online

So, like most people that gamepass you want online you either need 

$10 - core + $11 - gamepass console OR $17 for GPU

meanwhile PC gamepass is a dollar cheaper, free online, and even has EA play for $10

Even going the cheapest route console players are still paying 70% more to simply have gamepass+online

This is the same shit situation i've been complaining about

Don't say the ad word! When that ad supported tier was leaked, it was brutalised online, people always lose their shit whenever ads are mentioned.

I do agree that all 1st party should be added but with a 6-12 month delay, I'm a bit confused why some 1st party titles are missing, I can't work out a pattern right now, but it definitely isn't day one, which it shouldn't be, day one is the incentive for Game Pass Console and Ultimate but it does right now look like a major step down in value from Game Pass Console but still a step up from shitty GWG.

Exactly...It's the same situation...Aka nothing to do with Game Pass Core, which is mostly a branding change with the extra perk of a Game Pass catalogue replacing shitty GWG which was causing Xbox bad PR every month, Lol. If this was called Xbox Live Core and they replaced GWG with a collection of old titles, we definitely wouldn't be having this conversation, I think, Lol.

And I do agree with you that the Console/PC situation could be improved but it feels unrelated to this change, it's an issue that has existed for years now, y'all have been paying for Ultimate for years now and I've never seen people so angry about the situation until now, because Xbox Live Gold had a name change, haha.

Like I don't see what is confusing about it, Xbox Live Gold is now being called Game Pass Core and it now has 25+ old titles instead of GWG...Is it exactly what you wanted? Clearly not, but still, Imo, at worst it's a minor upgrade to the current situation, it's the same price as Gold, it's more streamlined into Game Pass marketing and GWG which has been God awful for a long time is being replaced by a better offering.

lol Maybe people were hoping if they made a change it would actually make sense? bruh idgaf what it's called the tiers are shit and make no sense price wise! Core and PC gamepass being priced the same is baffling, this is just dumb lol I will continue to demand better from MS/Xbox

Yeah it was trashed but it's the kind of thing people get mad about and ... doesn't do anything else because they actually can't, those already on game pass would have nothing changed and those with gold will have the added benefits of access to a free cut down Game Pass with ads making it win-win. So yeah people would cry foul and then proceed to be hypocrites anyway. And better yet, the fake outcry would help publicize the thing lol.

Anyway, that is just a thought on what I think is a great missed opportunity.

One thing is for sure, missing "Live Pass" is unforgivable, what were they thinking?

Like I don't see what is confusing about it, Xbox Live Gold is now being called Game Pass Core and it now has 25+ old titles instead of GWG...Is it exactly what you wanted? Clearly not, but still, Imo, at worst it's a minor upgrade to the current situation, it's the same price as Gold, it's more streamlined into Game Pass marketing and GWG which has been God awful for a long time is being replaced by a better offering.

Xbox Live Gold and PC Game Pass are already priced the same...This is Xbox Live Gold...With a different name and an upgrade to GWG...

idk why you keep saying people are confused, like where? I never said the prices changed, that's the issue. They should've took the opportunity to restructure the tiers and pricing

Okay, maybe they should have but they didn't.

Still, it's a minor upgrade at worst to the current Xbox Live situation, but you and Angie want to get angry about something which has been the case for years already I've never seen this anger whilst you've both been paying for Ultimate for years already, Lol.

Sigh, Lol. Fine. Feels like a big overreaction to me over what essentially amounts to a branding change but I'll move on, Lol.

Actually I'll stop discussing this entirely, we're not going to agree and I'm not going to say you can't complain about an old situation but clearly we're on two different mindsets about this and how it relates to the current change, Lol.

You have a point, like with Netflix, everyone bitched hard and...did absolutely nothing, Lol. It wouldn't have affected me on GPU though.

Could you not say though that now, those on Gold have "free" access to a cutdown version of Game Pass, only without the ads?

• All Old 1st Party Titles (6+ Months Was the Original Rumour IIRC) + Ads
  Vs
• Some 1st Party Titles (Unknown Timeframe) + No Ads.

Depending on what other titles are added, it might be close enough. We need to learn more about the timeframe and what titles are included and why.

Yeah, I'm starting to think, they should have called it Live Pass, Lol. They want to streamline everything into Game Pass though from a branding perspective and so they can brag about it in the financial. But looking at the reaction here, haha, maybe just keeping the Xbox Live name would have been better, Xbox Live Pass but change GWG to a catalogue of games.

Still, I think they'll have quite a large userbase in Game Pass Core who...

A. Won't even notice the change.

B. Won't even care still.

But they hope some who do notice, will then upgrade to Ultimate, is my assumption, because they're finding difficulty in marketing Game Pass to a casual consumer, Imo, based on anecdotal evidence, Lol. There's probably millions of users still clinging to Xbox Live Gold only just for the multiplayer alone.