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Ice is going to win this bet methinks. FF16 is sitting on an 88, the same score that Fallout 4 got, Bethesda's lowest reviewed singleplayer RPG ever. Fallout 4 was rushed out with just 4 years of development, only 2.5 years of which was full development (the full size dev team working on the game), full development began in mid 2013, with release in November 2015. If it hadn't have been rushed out, if Bethesda had instead delayed it into 2016, the game likely would have reviewed 90+ and quite possibly would have taken GOTY from Overwatch and Uncharted 4, but instead they released it before it was ready in 2015 and lost GOTY to Witcher 3 as a result. By comparison, Starfield began active development in late 2015 according to Bethesda, after Fallout 4 released, with full development beginning in late 2018 after Fallout 76 released. That means more than 7.5 years of total development time on Starfield, and nearly 5 years of development with the full size dev team.

On top of that, the size of the dev team increased substantially. Fallout 4 was made by a core dev team of around 120 developers, with some assistance by about 30 developers from Behaviour Interactive (now famous for being the developer of popular multiplayer horror game Dead By Daylight). By comparison, Starfield's core dev team is believed to be somewhere between 200-250 people. We also know they have been assisted by other Zenimax studios throughout development, including id Software, who worked on implenting their own motion blur solution from the idTech 7 engine into Starfield's Creation Engine 2.0. An ex-Bethesda developer has stated that the overall number of devs who have worked on Starfield (core team plus assistance devs) is around 500 people, substantially more than the 150 or so who made Fallout 4.

If you take the increased number of developers, and the increased number of years spent in development, Starfield has more than 6x as many man hours that went into it's development than Fallout 4 had. 

Lastly, we have a much larger QA team on Starfield. Bethesda has stated that Zenimax's entire 100+ person QA team at the time (2015) worked on stomping bugs in Fallout 4. In spite of that, the game still launched fairly buggy (though less buggy than previous Bethesda games on launch), because they rushed it too early in order to make Holiday 2015. With Starfield, not only is the full Zenimax QA team (which is a bigger team now than it was in 2015) working to stomp out bugs in Starfield leading up to launch, but it has been stated that the Xbox QA team is working to stomp out bugs too, so that is about another 90 people on the Xbox QA team, in addition to the 100+ from Zenimax's QA team. They have also been stomping out bugs for months longer than any past Bethesda game, supposedly Starfield was already content complete before the first delay from Holiday 2022-Spring 2023, so they'll basically have been polishing the game's graphics and stomping bugs for about 10-11 months when the game launches in September.

Last edited by shikamaru317 - on 05 July 2023

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FIST on gamepass is really really really great!!!






Shaunodon said:
  • Disgaea
  • The Legend of Heroes
  • Tsukihime remake (visual novels are niche (and not really video games), but since this was just announced it feels topical)
  • Ys
  • Shin Megami Tensei
  • The Legend of Mana/Trials of Mana
  • The World Ends with You

...I could make this list about 10 times longer including series with most or important entries missing.

Edit: In regards to Tsukhime, I might just put it under Type-Moon-- including all the Fate/Stay Night, Fate/Extra spin-offs and whatnot. But again, they're all niche products. The most recent Melty Blood did get released on Xbox though, apparently.

Ys is on Xbox

For some reason only Ys Origin is on Xbox and strangely it has a "Blood option" which is exclusive to the Xbox and Switch versions (console wise).



Yeah I have the xbox version, really disliked the game.






BasilZero said:
Shaunodon said:
  • Disgaea
  • The Legend of Heroes
  • Tsukihime remake (visual novels are niche (and not really video games), but since this was just announced it feels topical)
  • Ys
  • Shin Megami Tensei
  • The Legend of Mana/Trials of Mana
  • The World Ends with You

...I could make this list about 10 times longer including series with most or important entries missing.

Edit: In regards to Tsukhime, I might just put it under Type-Moon-- including all the Fate/Stay Night, Fate/Extra spin-offs and whatnot. But again, they're all niche products. The most recent Melty Blood did get released on Xbox though, apparently.

Ys is on Xbox

For some reason only Ys Origin is on Xbox and strangely it has a "Blood option" which is exclusive to the Xbox and Switch versions (console wise).

I believe he specifically means the Ys games which are both developed and published by Nihon Falcom in Japan, and are typically published by NIS and/or Xseed in the west. Nihon Falcom and NIS have totally avoided Xbox now for years on both Ys and Legend of Heroes. Nihon Falcom developed and published the original PC release of Ys Origin in 2006 in Japan and in 2012 Xseed published it worldwide, but the console ports from 2017-2020 were developed by and published by Dotemu, the Focus Entertainment owned sub-publisher and developer behind Streets of Rage 4 and TMNT Shredder's Revenge. So far Nihon Falcom and NIS have avoided Xbox totally on both Ys and Legend of Heroes. 

Last edited by shikamaru317 - on 04 July 2023

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Played Bramble the Mountain King these last couple of hours. Lovely Gamepass title that also looks amazing. Also the first time I heard the ventilator of my series x. Game pushed it into hyperrrrrrmode



konnichiwa said:

FIST on gamepass is really really really great!!!

That game was part of Sony's China Hero Project, I'm glad that it came to Xbox.



MS should just Nintendo use the Banjo IP, tradeoff being it'll be on both xbox/switch



konnichiwa said:

Yeah I have the xbox version, really disliked the game.

Is it because of the Xbox version on how it performed or just the game in general?

So far from all the Ys games I've played - Origin is my 2nd most favorite (story wise) but gameplay wise I think its the best.



NobleTeam360 said:
Spade said:

Happy Birfday @NobleTeam360

WHERE'S MY GAME PIMP.

The deal is dead.



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