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Parity to me means no exclusive anything (what Sony is doing now). Modes or skins, at the very least get rid of that before any IP centric cosmetics.



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Thanks for all the updates in this topic during the trial. Made it easy to read along.

I do wonder what FTC is up to, some questions didn't really make sense and apply to all 3 console manufacturers. It was entertaining though.



Dov Zimring ((Former) Director of Product Management for Stadia at Google LLC). Plaintiff is calling Mr. Zimring live to testify about the video game industry, cloud gaming, Google's Stadia cloud gaming service, and any topics as to which he previously testified. Direct examination 20 mins. Cross-examination 10 mins.

Pete Hines (20/15), Matt Booty (45/20), Sarah Bond ((Allotted) 60/40)

Dr. Lee (The FTC's star witness for their report) is being given the most estimated time on the stand out of anyone. 90 minutes cross exam and 45 minutes redirect exam. Phil Spencer and Jim Ryan are getting 60/45 for each examination period but Jim Ryan's examination is entirely pre-recorded.



Yesterday the CAT published a new Order of the President with some directions.

Everything was more or less known, but now the main hearing has an estimate of six days, not five. It's still starting on Friday, 28th July 2023.

One extra day for the CAT appeal, then.

Source: Idas

On the other hand, the FT has this interesting bit about a potential loss against the FTC:

Both companies have lobbied hard for the acquisition to be allowed to go through on its original terms, and one person close to the situation said they could easily agree to extend their deal if the FTC succeeds in blocking it from immediately closing.

I guess that MS/ABK are ready to appeal if they lose the FTC PI.

Source: Idas

I've included a threadmark to the Zoom audio feed and another one to the FTC PI (Preliminary Injunction) Day 1 hearing (the minute to minute conversation with the pages where it starts and ends).

I'll do the same for the next 4 days.

The witnesses to be called on June 23, 2023:

- Phil Spencer (MS)
- Jamie Lawver (MS)
- Dov Zimring (Google)
- Jim Ryan (Sony)

The FTC exhibit list for today. Some higlights:

- Microsoft's approach following acquisitions since 2018 (Feb 2022)
- Thoughts on Google Stadia Announcement (March 2019)
- Bethesda titles on Geforce Now (March 2021)
- PC Gaming streaming roadmap (July 2020)
- xCloud solution only (April 2022)
- Starfield as an Xbox exclusive (June 2021)
- Sony's Game Pass (March 2022)
Project Denali comms and press release; it was the ABK acquisition (January 2022)
Project Zipline - Zynga strategy approval; from the CMA final report we know that MS tried to acquire a mobile publisher, I guess that it was Zynga (August 2021)
- Microsoft's commitment to ABK games on Playstation post merger; includes a "Sony letter agreement.PDF" (January and August 2022)
Project Phoenix - "Request for Strategy Approval - Square Enix v7" - Phoenix Support materials"; a special agreement/potential acquisition of Square Enix? 🤔 (January 2020)
- Fallout 76 on PS Now (September 2021)
- Ori and the Blind Forest coming to Switch (August 2019)
Project Relic announce date; the Indiana Jones game (January 2021)
Project Singularity Steering Committee (June 2022)
- Presentation on Project Neutrino (April 2021)

And lots of redacted bits!

Should make for an interesting day too.

Source: Idas

The full description of that email is:

Email from Eugene Kim to David Hampton and Luca Di Mauro re: Project Phoenix w/Attach: Gaming CSA - Request for Strategy Approval -- Square Enix v7.docx; Gaming industry outcomes - Phoenix support materials vF.pptx, et al

Date: January 9th 2020

I'm just speculating about a possible special agreement or acquisition because the language used in the email is similar to the one used in other emails talking about acquisitions (Denali - ABK) or likely acquisitions (Zipline - Zynga).

In any case, during X019 I remember that Square Enix announced multiple Final Fantasy games coming to Game Pass. Maybe Project Phoenix was that.

Source: Idas





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shikamaru317 said:
DroidKnight said:

Let's say the deal does go through. In order to make good on equal parity and content, (what if some really cool skin sets were available in COD that had some type of Xbox branding on them, or other forms of Xbox branding on buildings, signs or vehicles) wouldn't it need to be the same for Playstation? For an identical experience the playstation version would have to keep the Xbox branding in game, and the game would also need to be designed without taking advantage of the adaptive triggers and some of the haptic feedback.

My assumption would be that parity in that case would mean Xbox Logo Skins = Playstation Logo Skins or Xbox IP crossover Skins = Playstation IP crossover Skins. Sony obviously wouldn't want Xbox branding or characters on Playstation as that would be free advertising for their competitor, so if Xbox wanted to make a skin with the Xbox Logo or a skin based on an Xbox character like say Master Chief, parity would mean that Playstation would get a Playstation Logo skin or a skin based on a Playstation character such as Nathan Drake as a counter for the skin released on Xbox.

As for Sony's haptic feedback and adaptive triggers, according to the letter of the law, Xbox could withhold support for those after acquiring ABK, but I doubt they would personally. Ideally Xbox should release a mid-gen refresh Xbox controller with the haptic feedback and adaptive triggers, something which Phil previously teased he was considering doing.

Man I hope they don't mess up the Xbox controller.  I like it the way it is and don't want the adaptive triggers.  They can continue fine-tuning an already great controller, but they don't need any of the gimmicky stuff.



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jason1637 said:

Xcloud is starting to become my favorite feature this gen ahead of quick resume. It's really neat to be able to play pretty much all the game pass games on the cloud to see if I'll enjoy it before committing to the SSD space. I got lost in a playthrough of ghostwire tokyo the other day and I forgot for a second i was playing it streamed. Just a very convenient feature and I didn't really care about cloud gaming that much. It was always laggy when I tried it in the past but the tech has really come a long way.

Yeah, I did the same thing with Ghostwire Tokyo as well.  I usually will use XCloud to sample games to see if I enjoy them enough to download.  Some games I will continue to play online as my space on my drive is filling up and they are more like games I come to when I want a different experience then a main course.  This to me is where XCloud really shines.



DroidKnight said:
shikamaru317 said:

My assumption would be that parity in that case would mean Xbox Logo Skins = Playstation Logo Skins or Xbox IP crossover Skins = Playstation IP crossover Skins. Sony obviously wouldn't want Xbox branding or characters on Playstation as that would be free advertising for their competitor, so if Xbox wanted to make a skin with the Xbox Logo or a skin based on an Xbox character like say Master Chief, parity would mean that Playstation would get a Playstation Logo skin or a skin based on a Playstation character such as Nathan Drake as a counter for the skin released on Xbox.

As for Sony's haptic feedback and adaptive triggers, according to the letter of the law, Xbox could withhold support for those after acquiring ABK, but I doubt they would personally. Ideally Xbox should release a mid-gen refresh Xbox controller with the haptic feedback and adaptive triggers, something which Phil previously teased he was considering doing.

Man I hope they don't mess up the Xbox controller.  I like it the way it is and don't want the adaptive triggers.  They can continue fine-tuning an already great controller, but they don't need any of the gimmicky stuff.

Its interesting about the adaptive controllers on the PS5.  At first I was like, yeah this is pretty cool but the more I play different games, the more I actually do not want it.  I would like the option to turn it on or off quickly because sometimes I do not want the semblance of pulling a bow or whatever, I just want to pull the trigger.  The Xbox controller is still my preference as it has always felt great in my hands, only the PS5 controller has come close because before than I use to hate PS controllers.



Watch them place the PS5 alongside a Switch and say "do they look like each other? No, therefore they don't compete with each other, checkmate"



They must be planning something very stupid....