reverie said: Hey Erik, Vgchartz is actually getting 50 % to 100 % more traffic than NeoGAF, at least according to Alexa.

 Thats incorrect.  NeoGAF gets more traffic.  Right now, their 3 month rank is 3,117 and VGChartz is 7,536.  They consistantly have 2,800 - 3,200 people on their forums at a time.

reverie said: Hey Erik, Vgchartz is actually getting 50 % to 100 % more traffic than NeoGAF, at least according to Alexa.

Um... No? Methinks you're looking at the numbers backwards.

I only go to NeoGAF to check out the new game news and the likes. I do it in quick bursts for fear that my brain will melt and succumb to the hive mind mentality of the forum users.

It's like GameFAQs, only more startling because the dribble is concentrated in 2 forums and the people on gaf are actually literate. You can basically figure out the entirety of a multi-page thread based on the first 5 replies alone. They will all be a slight variation of that exact same post with maybe a humorous gif thrown in once and awhile.

My favorite discussion are the ones with the heathens, the ones that don't know why the hive believe a certain thing or even disagree with it. The response is always jarring to the people parroting certain opinions, and watching them scramble for a real reason is always the best. Sort of like the VGC bashing in the NYT thread, it was like someone desperately looking for blackmail. They cite numbers that they "know" (with no real sources provided) which are inexplicably infallible, and because of that (generally coupled with TEH ZEEE11 argument, another GameFAQs trait) VGC has to be wrong, and that 'real evidence' that ioi is out to corrupt the internet with...sales numbers can be provided at any time. Which never happens.

Actually, as many times as I've seen that same dribble on gaf I've never really heard a motive behind ioi's conquests. I guess that's beyond the hive's capabilities.

God, I love the internet.

loadedstatement said: If their users say anything GOOD about us, they will be banned.   I personally see this as extreme jealously.  NeoGAF hasnt been quoted in the NYT have they?  Well, this really makes me question the maturity of those guys.   http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=282915

Links to the bannings?  Did anyone here get banned over there? 

Or do I just have to read through the whole thread...

 

We somehow have to search the offense to put a final stop to this. We, yes we, all need to somehow show (especially GAF), what a great thing ioi is doing for the outside world, giving us free data every single week.

I am more than sure they know this site is accurate, they are just jealous and then come up with such claims saying this isn't accurate. What I think we need to do is :

Put up enough articles on the site, that proves our credibility, reliability and that ioi (or the team as a whole), only use legal ways to collect data. Also it would be nice if (just like that bitbag article), we somehow get invited for another interview of how VG Chartz works etc. Furthermore, we have to find more newspapers, internet sites, or podcasts that use the VG Chartz data. The more we find, the more credibility we build up.

There is still a lot of work to do in order for them to finally believe this site, but they will eventually, once the big companies will quote this very site.

Neos said: We somehow have to search the offense to put a final stop to this. We, yes we, all need to somehow show (especially GAF), what a great thing ioi is doing for the outside world, giving us free data every single week. I am more than sure they know this site is accurate, they are just jealous and then come up with such claims saying this isn't accurate. What I think we need to do is : Put up enough articles on the site, that proves our credibility, reliability and that ioi (or the team as a whole), only use legal ways to collect data. Also it would be nice if (just like that bitbag article), we somehow get invited for another interview of how VG Chartz works etc. Furthermore, we have to find more newspapers, internet sites, or podcasts that use the VG Chartz data. The more we find, the more credibility we build up. There is still a lot of work to do in order for them to finally believe this site, but they will eventually, once the big companies will quote this very site.

VG Chartz doesn't have to suck up to these guys. They will never come around of their own free will anyway, they're too shackled to the mod-endorsed and -enforced view of ioi as a charlatan. Whatever he may have been doing at NeoGAF, this site is obviously way beyond that and only when the entire gaming community has come around to that point of view (which it has been starting to do, with much bloodshed of VGC boosters in forums everywhere, RIP) will NeoGAF finally stop banning those who dare link to this site. All VGC and the numbers guys have to do is keep doing good work.

Until then, we can all be amused by the enormous fear the mods obviously have of the site's numbers; whether it's (as they apparently claim) fear of the flamewars between pro- and anti-VGC factions, or (as I suspect) fear of having to admit ioi's success, [edit: or -- the most disturbing possibility -- the fear of their favored side losing the aforementioned flamewar,] there is no way that people can get banned for mentioning a worksafe website in a nonderogatory way without there being crazy amounts of fear on the part of the forums' powers-that-be.

Erik Aston said: Wow. So this thread was a success. GAF is doing something right, because they pull way more traffic than VGC despite supposedly being gay Nazis (?). GAF should just take VGC for what it is and not worry about it. And VGC should do the same towards GAF. I check out magazine scans and japanese translations and the like on GAF all the time. They're great for a lot of stuff like that... plus random sparrings with Jaffe. I'd rank both GAF and VGC above sites like IGN anyday. At least you know what you're getting. And both sites seem to get good discussion and far better observations and analysis than the big sites which cut-and-paste to "report" and regurgitate forum flames as "editorials." I can understand celebrating being cited alongside Pachter by the Times from a traffic perspective, but not from a credibility perspective. For those in the know, who can recognize that the article is garbage and know that Pachter is a punchline, it shouldn't lend any credibility to VGC. BTW, for the GAFers reading, the great example of VGC blowing it with the numbers is RE4:Wii. Crosscheck the year-end 2007 totals (under World >> Weekly) with Capcom's year-end million-seller list update. Oh the shame. But for the most part, the site has a huge compilation of "good enough" data. Accuracy will continue to get better with time, but in the meantime other values, like the plethora of info in one place, the timliness of the numbers, etc., better serve the low end market of forum rats and the New York Times.

Well I find interesting and useful both VGC and GAF.

There are smart guys whom posts is interesting to read in this forum and in GAF too so I don't understand this reciprocal "hatred".

What I really find interesting in VGC however, it is that is a "disruptive service"

Serious question: remind me how they think ioi's sources are "illegal"? Do they just mean "unauthorized leaks"? because I'm pretty sure that isn't a felony or anything.

For those who wanted to know what happened between ioi and NeoGAF, go here :
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140646
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=139578
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=128989
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137705
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=135524

Please note that the above URL are just random sampling I found. If you wanted to find all post done by ioi, you can go here :
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/search.php?searchid=2339864
(I don't know how long this URL will be valid, so don't be surprised if it is not valid anymore when you try it).

Neos said: We somehow have to search the offense to put a final stop to this. We, yes we, all need to somehow show (especially GAF), what a great thing ioi is doing for the outside world, giving us free data every single week. I am more than sure they know this site is accurate, they are just jealous and then come up with such claims saying this isn't accurate. What I think we need to do is : Put up enough articles on the site, that proves our credibility, reliability and that ioi (or the team as a whole), only use legal ways to collect data. Also it would be nice if (just like that bitbag article), we somehow get invited for another interview of how VG Chartz works etc. Furthermore, we have to find more newspapers, internet sites, or podcasts that use the VG Chartz data. The more we find, the more credibility we build up. There is still a lot of work to do in order for them to finally believe this site, but they will eventually, once the big companies will quote this very site.

If you agree, let us use Mario Kart Wii, the upcoming big game as proof of the accuracy of this site. Let us compare NPD data with the US data from this site, and see how accurate it is. Let's post the new data every week in a new post, and when NPD April 08 data was released, we compare them. I will publish the result on NeoGAF, whether it is good or bad.

 What do you think ? Do you agree ?