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shavenferret said:
Zkuq said:

So many Russian ships have been having trouble staying afloat recently that I can't help wondering if there's something, uh, interesting going on. Supposedly many of them are very old ships, so something is bound to happen sooner or later, but this feels like quite a few now even for such old ships.

Russia is pissing everybody off, which makes it much easier for people to turn against you if prompted.  I'm guessing that ukrainian intel is having a field day in recruiting people to cause problems.  Imagine how many fathers are grief striken over their sons not coming home.  Easy pickings.  

Doesn't even have to be sabotage.

Modern ships need quite some maintenance, the more the older they become and the further they travel in one go. With European ports refusing to dock those ships, they have to travel longer and longer per travel, reducing their structural integrity without proper maintenance. It's a very bone-crushing job that few ever really want to do, and right now Russia both needs their people elsewhere and has full employment, so nobody even goes to do this as they have better options so far. the few that still do probably don't do in depth enough to see the corrosion and with Russia losing so many ships, they won't have the time either to do the maintenance unless it's clear it were about to sink.

In short: Even without sabotage, more and more Russian civilian ships will sink as they're not properly carded for.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
shavenferret said:

Russia is pissing everybody off, which makes it much easier for people to turn against you if prompted.  I'm guessing that ukrainian intel is having a field day in recruiting people to cause problems.  Imagine how many fathers are grief striken over their sons not coming home.  Easy pickings.  

Doesn't even have to be sabotage.

Modern ships need quite some maintenance, the more the older they become and the further they travel in one go. With European ports refusing to dock those ships, they have to travel longer and longer per travel, reducing their structural integrity without proper maintenance. It's a very bone-crushing job that few ever really want to do, and right now Russia both needs their people elsewhere and has full employment, so nobody even goes to do this as they have better options so far. the few that still do probably don't do in depth enough to see the corrosion and with Russia losing so many ships, they won't have the time either to do the maintenance unless it's clear it were about to sink.

In short: Even without sabotage, more and more Russian civilian ships will sink as they're not properly carded for.

Right, that should be obvious and i was only half-joking anyway.  Regardless, thanks for posting b/c adds clarity.  

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​Soviet Monster Jet IL-76PP Was Supposed to Jam Patriot Systems But Gets Scrapped

https://en.defence-ua.com/news/soviet_monster_jet_il_76pp_was_supposed_to_jam_patriot_systems_but_gets_scrapped-12979.html

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So, they scrapped the Soviet electronic warfare plane. It may have just outrun its livelyhood, b/c anything generating enough output to jam signals can probably be tracked and have a missle shot at it. Or, it may be too costly to repair with the trade issues that Russia is facing. Either way, it goes the way of history and lives no more except in a book.



Ukrainian Strike on Lgov Kills Deputy Commander of Russia’s 810th Marine Brigade

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukrainian-strike-on-lgov-kills-deputy-commander-of-russia-s-810th-marine-brigade/#google_vignette



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Video story from The China Observer, which shows how the russians feed units of Chinese mercenaries pig feed. If Russia cares about its own people so little that they have 4/5 of a million casualties, then why would they care about the Chinese?  They won't.  So this is definitely plausible.  



Azerbaijani government sources have exclusively confirmed to Euronews on Thursday that a Russian surface-to-air missile caused the Azerbaijan Airlines plane crash in Aktau on Wednesday. According to the sources, the missile was fired at Flight 8432 during drone air activity above Grozny, and the shrapnel hit the passengers and cabin crew as it exploded next to the aircraft mid-flight.

Government sources have told Euronews that the damaged aircraft was not allowed to land at any Russian airports despite the pilots' requests for an emergency landing, and it was ordered to fly across the Caspian Sea towards Aktau in Kazakhstan. The missile was fired from a Pantsir-S air defence system, Baku-based international outlet AnewZ reported, citing Azerbaijani government sources.

Exclusive: Preliminary Investigation Confirms Russian Missile Caused Azerbaijan Airlines Crash | Euronews

An Azerbaijani plane that crashed in Kazakhstan was downed by a Russian surface-to-air missile over Grozny. The damaged aircraft was denied landing at Russian airports, and pilots were ordered to fly over the Caspian Sea toward Kazakhstan's Aktau.

www.euronews.com/2024/12/26/e...

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Wow, this is crazy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijan_Airlines_Flight_8243



"According to Azerbaijan Airlines, 37 passengers were Azerbaijani citizens. There were also 16 Russian nationals, six Kazakhstani and three Kyrgyzstani citizens."

https://www.euronews.com/2024/12/26/azerbaijani-president-ilham-aliyev-launches-criminal-probe-into-azerbaijan-airlines-plane-

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