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Ryuu96 said:
shavenferret said:

blimey!

So, which religious group has commited the most harmful acts of terrorism in America?  My point is to try to aggregate these acts of terrorism and total everything up.  You won't be able to do that practically because of varying definitions of terrorism as they say one man's trash is another's treasure.  Luckily, however for the purpose of making a point, one group seems to have committed much more political body counts than all the rest.  Which would this be?  Do you not want to mention?   Keep in mind, that i'm an American, and I view politics from a local perspective.  

I don't think you're understanding my point at all. Do you believe it's smart or sensible to presume something before we even have a single fact? That is my point, it is not smart or sensible to presume something before first having the facts, something which Elon Musk and his band of Twitter idiots continue to do to inflame tensions across the globe.

  • They presumed the murderer in the UK was an immigrant, it led to riots, they were wrong.
  • They presumed the school shooter in America was trans, they were wrong.
  • They blamed Scholz for the murderer in Germany, despite him being an AfD/Musk supporter.

We don't presume just because someone isn't white that they are Muslim. We don't presume that just because some woman looks a bit masculine she is trans or that every female shooter is trans because all trans people are psychopaths (According to Republicans). We don't presume that any non-white person is an illegal immigrant. These presumptions are stupid and dangerous and often lead to violence. We also don't presume that all Muslims are violent murderers or all trans people are violent murders or all immigrants are violent murderers.

Disinformation is wrong, it's dangerous and it is being spread often by Musk's Twitter.

In the past 30 years or so, some groups have committed most or all of the events that the majority of public would call terrorism.  It should be no small wonder that this leads to people giving a knee-jerk reaction to news events and casting suspicions upon said groups.  So, not sorry.  



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shavenferret said:
Ryuu96 said:

I don't think you're understanding my point at all. Do you believe it's smart or sensible to presume something before we even have a single fact? That is my point, it is not smart or sensible to presume something before first having the facts, something which Elon Musk and his band of Twitter idiots continue to do to inflame tensions across the globe.

  • They presumed the murderer in the UK was an immigrant, it led to riots, they were wrong.
  • They presumed the school shooter in America was trans, they were wrong.
  • They blamed Scholz for the murderer in Germany, despite him being an AfD/Musk supporter.

We don't presume just because someone isn't white that they are Muslim. We don't presume that just because some woman looks a bit masculine she is trans or that every female shooter is trans because all trans people are psychopaths (According to Republicans). We don't presume that any non-white person is an illegal immigrant. These presumptions are stupid and dangerous and often lead to violence. We also don't presume that all Muslims are violent murderers or all trans people are violent murders or all immigrants are violent murderers.

Disinformation is wrong, it's dangerous and it is being spread often by Musk's Twitter.

In the past 30 years or so, some groups have committed most or all of the events that the majority of public would call terrorism.  It should be no small wonder that this leads to people giving a knee-jerk reaction to news events and casting suspicions upon said groups.  So, not sorry.  

So it's okay to assume everyone who isn't white is a Muslim or an immigrant? Okay to assume every American shooter is trans? Then on top of that, it's okay to assume every murderer is a Muslim/Immigrant/Trans? With zero facts? We just assume things are true nowadays with zero facts, you're saying that's okay? That's how the world should operate?

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Ryuu96 said:
shavenferret said:

In the past 30 years or so, some groups have committed most or all of the events that the majority of public would call terrorism.  It should be no small wonder that this leads to people giving a knee-jerk reaction to news events and casting suspicions upon said groups.  So, not sorry.  

So it's okay to assume everyone who isn't white is a Muslim or an immigrant? Okay to assume every American shooter is trans? Then on top of that, it's okay to assume every murderer is a Muslim/Immigrant/Trans? With zero facts? We just assume things are true nowadays with zero facts, you're saying that's okay? That's how the world should operate?

I'm not talking about assumptions.  I am saying that with terrorist events, that certain groups have tended to have a greater likelyhood of being considered terrorism.  As to the other cases, I haven't thought much about them.  You are the one getting this discussion between us into a variety of other topics that I haven't spoken of at all.     

The morality of making assumptions is another issue altogether.  I think that facts are either true or false.  If there is a false fact that one considers through knee-jerk responses or anything else, it isn't a moral lapse necessarily.  This is especially true when certain groups have shown a history of repeated events.  Eventually you start to throw blame where there shouldn't be any.  It is what it is.  But, just being suspicious of a group that has had some behavioral issues is not an immoral thing at all.  I think that the real blame occurs when you can't be impartial when it reaches the courts for a criminal case.  

Myself having an opinion isn't anything to worry about it, because opinions are like your butthole.  We all have them and they all stink.  So, please get over this idea that not being totally impartial is wrong.  

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shavenferret said:
Ryuu96 said:

So it's okay to assume everyone who isn't white is a Muslim or an immigrant? Okay to assume every American shooter is trans? Then on top of that, it's okay to assume every murderer is a Muslim/Immigrant/Trans? With zero facts? We just assume things are true nowadays with zero facts, you're saying that's okay? That's how the world should operate?

I'm not talking about assumptions.  I am saying that with terrorist events, that certain groups have tended to have a greater likelyhood of being considered terrorism.  As to the other cases, I haven't thought much about them.  You are the one getting this discussion between us into a variety of other topics that I haven't spoken of at all.     

Assumptions without zero evidence being bad has been my whole point from the start.

  • When you see a BLACK KID commit a murder and rush to Twitter to scream IT'S THE VIOLENT IMMIGRANTS! - It is bad.
  • When you see a WOMAN commit a murder and rush to Twitter to scream IT'S THE MENTALLY ILL TRANS - It is bad.
  • When you see a ARABIAN LOOKING GUY commit a murder and rush to Twitter to scream IT'S THE SCARY MUSLIMS - It is bad.

And Twitter does nothing to prevent it, in fact, it amplifies it, as does Elon Musk.

  • Elon Musk rushed to blame Scholz for the recent murders, when the fucking murderer supported the AfD!
  • Twitter rushed to blame trans people for the school shooting, when she was a fucking Nazi loving, cisgender woman!
  • Twitter rushed to blame immigrants for the black kid killing other children, when he was fucking born in the UK!

One of these assumptions led to mass riots across the whole of UK and people getting hurt!

My entire point has been that assuming shit WITHOUT A SINGLE FACT is BAD.

Goddamnit UK literally just had the perfect example of why this shit is bad and this is why I'm getting angry with Twitter and Elon Musk who amplifies this shit and does nothing to stop it because they WANT a race war in Europe, they want an immigrant war in Europe, Elon Musk is actively trying to push the far-right fascists in Europe and he does it by amplifying this shitty MISINFORMATION.

My country literally just had fucking idiots running around smashing their cities up and setting fire to hotels with innocent people in them all based on a FALSE ASSUMPTION and even if it was true I'd be mad at that happening but the fact is, it wasn't true, they literally trashed the cities up over an assumption, a lie, misinformation. If the kid was another white murderer they wouldn't have done shit.

But this is getting way off-topic and I'm getting annoyed because I still feel like you aren't getting my point, Lol.



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Ryuu96 said:
shavenferret said:

I'm not talking about assumptions.  I am saying that with terrorist events, that certain groups have tended to have a greater likelyhood of being considered terrorism.  As to the other cases, I haven't thought much about them.  You are the one getting this discussion between us into a variety of other topics that I haven't spoken of at all.     

Assumptions without zero evidence being bad has been my whole point from the start.

  • When you see a BLACK KID commit a murder and rush to Twitter to scream IT'S THE VIOLENT IMMIGRANTS! - It is bad.
  • When you see a WOMAN commit a murder and rush to Twitter to scream IT'S THE MENTALLY ILL TRANS - It is bad.
  • When you see a ARABIAN LOOKING GUY commit a murder and rush to Twitter to scream IT'S THE SCARY MUSLIMS - It is bad.

And Twitter does nothing to prevent it, in fact, it amplifies it, as does Elon Musk.

  • Elon Musk rushed to blame Scholz for the recent murders, when the fucking murderer supported the AfD!
  • Twitter rushed to blame trans people for the school shooting, when she was a fucking Nazi loving, cisgender woman!
  • Twitter rushed to blame immigrants for the black kid killing other children, when he was fucking born in the UK!

One of these assumptions led to mass riots across the whole of UK and people getting hurt!

My entire point has been that assuming shit WITHOUT A SINGLE FACT is BAD.

Goddamnit UK literally just had the perfect example of why this shit is bad and this is why I'm getting angry with Twitter and Elon Musk who amplifies this shit and does nothing to stop it because they WANT a race war in Europe, they want an immigrant war in Europe, Elon Musk is actively trying to push the far-right fascists in Europe and he does it by amplifying this shitty MISINFORMATION.

My country literally just had fucking idiots running around smashing their cities up and setting fire to hotels with innocent people in them all based on a FALSE ASSUMPTION and even if it was true I'd be mad at that happening but the fact is, it wasn't true, they literally trashed the cities up over an assumption, a lie, misinformation. If the kid was another white murderer they wouldn't have done shit.

But this is getting way off-topic and I'm getting annoyed because I still feel like you aren't getting my point, Lol.

I think that you are mischaracterizing what I am saying.  When i say that event XYZ was probably caused by JKL group due to my perception of their past actions, it doesn't imply any assumptions because I realize that this hasn't been proven legally yet.  

Just assigning a somewhat greater probability to something isn't assuming or giving a mental certainty to anything.  







shavenferret said:

I think that you are mischaracterizing what I am saying.  When i say that event XYZ was probably caused by JKL group due to my perception of their past actions, it doesn't imply any assumptions because I realize that this hasn't been proven legally yet.  

Just assigning a somewhat greater probability to something isn't assuming or giving a mental certainty to anything.  

It's called prejudice and you are 100% guilty of it.



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shavenferret said:
Ryuu96 said:

Assumptions without zero evidence being bad has been my whole point from the start.

  • When you see a BLACK KID commit a murder and rush to Twitter to scream IT'S THE VIOLENT IMMIGRANTS! - It is bad.
  • When you see a WOMAN commit a murder and rush to Twitter to scream IT'S THE MENTALLY ILL TRANS - It is bad.
  • When you see a ARABIAN LOOKING GUY commit a murder and rush to Twitter to scream IT'S THE SCARY MUSLIMS - It is bad.

And Twitter does nothing to prevent it, in fact, it amplifies it, as does Elon Musk.

  • Elon Musk rushed to blame Scholz for the recent murders, when the fucking murderer supported the AfD!
  • Twitter rushed to blame trans people for the school shooting, when she was a fucking Nazi loving, cisgender woman!
  • Twitter rushed to blame immigrants for the black kid killing other children, when he was fucking born in the UK!

One of these assumptions led to mass riots across the whole of UK and people getting hurt!

My entire point has been that assuming shit WITHOUT A SINGLE FACT is BAD.

Goddamnit UK literally just had the perfect example of why this shit is bad and this is why I'm getting angry with Twitter and Elon Musk who amplifies this shit and does nothing to stop it because they WANT a race war in Europe, they want an immigrant war in Europe, Elon Musk is actively trying to push the far-right fascists in Europe and he does it by amplifying this shitty MISINFORMATION.

My country literally just had fucking idiots running around smashing their cities up and setting fire to hotels with innocent people in them all based on a FALSE ASSUMPTION and even if it was true I'd be mad at that happening but the fact is, it wasn't true, they literally trashed the cities up over an assumption, a lie, misinformation. If the kid was another white murderer they wouldn't have done shit.

But this is getting way off-topic and I'm getting annoyed because I still feel like you aren't getting my point, Lol.

I think that you are mischaracterizing what I am saying.  When i say that event XYZ was probably caused by JKL group due to my perception of their past actions, it doesn't imply any assumptions because I realize that this hasn't been proven legally yet.  

Just assigning a somewhat greater probability to something isn't assuming or giving a mental certainty to anything.  

That's not at all what you said initially though.